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cali

(114,904 posts)
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 08:19 AM Sep 2013

Warning, Graphic: Abused for Surviving: What Amanda Lindhout Faces After Captivity

Last edited Thu Sep 26, 2013, 11:11 AM - Edit history (1)

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But the intensity of her presence was more than physical. Amanda Lindhout radiated a kind of peace I hadn’t expected. After working for fifteen months on her case at the Committee to Protect Journalists, where I was senior editor, I had imagined her many times. She was the young journalist who at the age of 27 had been abducted by Somali insurgents and whose captivity had dragged on interminably. Taken with fellow freelancer Nigel Brennan, Lindhout was never far from my mind. Of all the horror stories I’d reported and edited over my years at CPJ, hers stayed with me day and night.

Lindhout was reporting in Somalia in August 2008 when teenage boys kidnapped her along with Brennan, Somali translator Abdifatah Mohammed Elmi and driver Mahad Clise as they were returning on the Afgoye-Mogadishu road from interviews with refugees at a camp called Celasha Biyaha. The captors freed the translator and driver after 150 days.

As the months wore on, I couldn’t get past my dread that Lindhout’s story would not end well. That there had been so many unsuccessful negotiations with the two governments involved (Canadian, hers; Australian, Brennan’s) over so many, many days pointed toward an unhealthy outcome.

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If you paid any attention to the relentless victim-blaming of Lara Logan after her rape in Egypt’s Tahrir Square in February 2011, you might guess that Lindhout’s immense suffering has not stopped many men from anointing themselves arbiters of what happened to her in Somalia. As news stories about her experience surged before her book’s publication, men swamped Lindhout’s Facebook page and e-mail inbox with judgments, threats and comments on her appearance.

From one reader:

Tragic. Not just your ordeal but your stupid decision. You’re a good looking piece of leg.… In retrospect would you have rather had you dad give you a black eye or get gang raped? You have to answer that.… Well you’re a published writer now. You traded your pussy for it.… I would have used my hands on you. Maybe even my fists. Why? Because of anger? No. To help you understand what men can do to women like you when they have no moral restraint.

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http://www.thenation.com/article/176323/abused-surviving-what-amanda-lindhout-faces-after-captivity#

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Warning, Graphic: Abused for Surviving: What Amanda Lindhout Faces After Captivity (Original Post) cali Sep 2013 OP
First of all, thank God she's alive. Tigress DEM Sep 2013 #1
the response from a certain cretinous group of men has cali Sep 2013 #2
Yeah, sorry, I'm not being nice either. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #22
K&R - Thanks for posting this article. n/t myrna minx Sep 2013 #3
Wtf? How stupid can those journalists who interview her be? Dash87 Sep 2013 #4
How vile those comments are. brer cat Sep 2013 #5
I admit to being shocked by the callousness cali Sep 2013 #6
goddammit, I'm kicking this BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2013 #7
Kindly post a trigger warning in your title or heading paragraph---what you've posted is graphic msanthrope Sep 2013 #8
I'm sorry, will rectify. cali Sep 2013 #13
An excellent article. Thank you for posting it. nt msanthrope Sep 2013 #16
It's cyber-bullying, somewhat like teenagers have to endure. Despicable & needs to be fought. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #9
wow gopiscrap Sep 2013 #10
Holy shit... AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #11
The only response to this horrid cyberbullying is exposure mainer Sep 2013 #12
This sick and disgusting Hydra Sep 2013 #14
Where are you getting your statistics? Tigress DEM Sep 2013 #17
As a male I don't think 1 in 20 is high. whttevrr Sep 2013 #18
So 1 in 20 would be about 6,800,000 rapists in the US alone - which is very high Tigress DEM Sep 2013 #19
I do not dispute your math... whttevrr Sep 2013 #20
This was posted on DU awhile ago Hydra Sep 2013 #21
As a heterosexual male these ignorant fucks disgust me fletchthedubs Sep 2013 #15
it has become such a norm, so common place for men to talk to women in this manner. and we have seabeyond Oct 2013 #23

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
1. First of all, thank God she's alive.
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 09:08 AM
Sep 2013

Second, awesome that she's writing about it so the world can know her truth.

Third, **ck those idiots who think they have the right to judge her. I'm a woman, but I'm no little bit that that guy can lay his fists on without getting acquainted in an overly familiar fashion with his own back end. Stuff that mouth talking **it right where it belongs.

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
22. Yeah, sorry, I'm not being nice either.
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 12:55 AM
Oct 2013

But I won't be even sarcastically saying, "Oh it's all the woman's fault when she gets raped."

Dash87

(3,220 posts)
4. Wtf? How stupid can those journalists who interview her be?
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 09:40 AM
Sep 2013

'Did you entice them to rape you?' Who the hell would ask a dumbass question like that?

brer cat

(24,590 posts)
5. How vile those comments are.
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 09:46 AM
Sep 2013

I can't believe those people are even human to have so little regard for her situation.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
6. I admit to being shocked by the callousness
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 09:53 AM
Sep 2013

she's been faced with and the sheer vileness of her critics.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
7. goddammit, I'm kicking this
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 09:56 AM
Sep 2013

The KKK of sexism exists. Maybe not organized in that way, but taking pleasure in violence towards women? Yes.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
8. Kindly post a trigger warning in your title or heading paragraph---what you've posted is graphic
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 10:01 AM
Sep 2013

and disgusting, and while newsworthy, extremely shocking.


Bernardo de La Paz

(49,027 posts)
9. It's cyber-bullying, somewhat like teenagers have to endure. Despicable & needs to be fought.
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 10:03 AM
Sep 2013

Praise be Amanda Lindhout and may she fare well.

Cyber-bullying in all its forms needs to be stepped on, hard. The anonymous posters need to be found out by police armed with court orders and search warrants. Those anonymous cowards need to be arrested, charged, prosecuted, convicted, sentenced, and jailed.

It is a peculiar form of weakness and psychopathy to cyber-bully a woman online with such ridiculous assertions.

All because she dared do something some men do (war zone journalism), something the cyber-bullies could never dare come close to doing.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
12. The only response to this horrid cyberbullying is exposure
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 11:05 AM
Sep 2013

Any monster who wrote those things to her should be named and shamed.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
14. This sick and disgusting
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 12:19 PM
Sep 2013

But it proves 3 things that are highly inconvenient to real civilization: 1) 1 of every 20 men(and I bet it's higher) is a rapist, 2) Rape Culture is alive and well, and 3) The two things above are supported by certain groups of women, and they would have no traction otherwise.

I don't know what the solution is, but a solid problem continues in the form of how we treat victims.

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
17. Where are you getting your statistics?
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 08:38 PM
Sep 2013

1 of every 20 men is a bit high, I think.

Agree that Rape Culture is alive and well (and supported by many women passively).

The way that began is that if a woman spoke out she was a harpy type didn't get a good man/protector and her genes weren't passed on.

whttevrr

(2,345 posts)
18. As a male I don't think 1 in 20 is high.
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 08:49 PM
Sep 2013

Sorry, I've heard the stories, the intimidation, use of drugs and alcohol...

It is shameful here in the U.S.; I can only imagine the prevalence being much higher in other places.

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
19. So 1 in 20 would be about 6,800,000 rapists in the US alone - which is very high
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 09:54 PM
Sep 2013

Which according to THIS site http://www.rainn.org/statistics

IS where we would be over the last 13 years IF Rape had not dropped by 60%


WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT MEN IN THE US ARE MORE AWARE AND MORE CARING ABOUT THIS SUBJECT AND IT IS NOTICEABLE ENOUGH THAT 1 in 20 seemed way high.




Sexual assault has fallen by more than 60% in recent years.2 Had the 1993 rate held steady, 6.8 million Americans would have been assaulted in the last 13 years.

But, thanks to the decline, the actual number of victims was about 4.2 million. In other words, if not for the historic gains we've made in the last decade, an additional 2,546,420 Americans would have become victims of sexual violence.









Population 313,847,465 (July 2012 est.)
Age structure 0-14 years: 20% (male 32,050,686/female 30,719,945)
15-24 years: 13.8% (male 22,112,002/female 21,174,050)
25-54 years: 40.6% (male 63,713,761/female 63,556,345)
55-64 years: 12.1% (male 18,331,065/female 19,711,907)
65 years and over: 13.5% (male 18,424,785/female 24,052,919) (2012 est.)
http://www.indexmundi.com/united_states/demographics_profile.html


male 32,050,686
male 22,112,002
male 63,713,761
male 18,331,065
male 18,424,785

Total Males 154,632,299

Random adjustment - 18,424,785
Some males over 65 maybe still capable of rape and willing to do so, but some in the 0-14 range wouldn't know how to rape without explicit instructions and legally the definition is sketchy, so we'll cut the smaller group

Leaves approx 136,207,514 males potentially capable of rape.

1 in 20 = 5 in 100 or 5%

5% of 136,207,514 is 6,810,376

whttevrr

(2,345 posts)
20. I do not dispute your math...
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 10:51 PM
Sep 2013

And I agree that there has been progress.

My point is I think there is a lot of under reporting, and a lot of ambiguity in the definition and implementation of what is rape. <~~That sentence is reprehensible in every way. But so is the ignorance of many people right here in the good ole US of A.

My own personal experience has lead me to avoid a particular type of woman that is heartbreaking. I cannot rationalize away the sexual dynamic that goes on. I knew a girl who would get very intimate with me but always said 'no'. So it would never happen. She was out with someone else and had a few too many drinks and said 'no' again but it was not heeded. It was rape but she herself did not report it nor seem too disconcerted by the occurrence. She even went out with him again. The cognitive dissonance is still to this day mind blowing. She probably was pretty torn up about it, but the stoic way she informed me was an epiphany for me. I was pretty young at the time.

I cannot physically proceed past the 'no'. My ego is innately entwined with the act. 'Yes' turns me on and 'no' turns me off. I see the 'yes' as an affirmation of desire and the 'no' as rejection. And while I cannot get over the ego bruise that is inherent in 'no', I do know that other men do not have that inclination. Their sense of entitlement does not comprehend what no really means. I do not proclaim a complete understanding of the psycho-sexual and power dynamics inherent in rape, but I do see the propensity of others to engage in such a thing. A good number of men believe there is something that is owed to them. It is shameful and ignorant.

In that shame and ignorance is the problem of under reporting.


And then there is this:
Sex Trafficking of Americans: The Girls Next Door
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/05/sex-trafficking-201105?currentPage=all

So, yeah... 1 in 20 seems a tad low when compared to the brutal reality.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
21. This was posted on DU awhile ago
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 11:54 PM
Sep 2013
http://www.shakesville.com/2011/03/feminism-101-helpful-hints-for-dudes.html

Because 6% of college-aged men, slightly over 1 in 20, will admit to raping someone in anonymous surveys, as long as the word "rape" isn't used in the description of the act—and that's the conservative estimate. Other sources double that number (pdf).

A lot of people accuse feminists of thinking that all men are rapists. That's not true. But do you know who think all men are rapists?

Rapists do.

They really do. In psychological study, the profiling, the studies, it comes out again and again.

Virtually all rapists genuinely believe that all men rape, and other men just keep it hushed up better. And more, these people who really are rapists are constantly reaffirmed in their belief about the rest of mankind being rapists like them by things like rape jokes, that dismiss and normalize the idea of rape.


I know the number is higher, because 1 in 3 women is sexually assaulted by the time they are 18, and 1/10 men as well. That number of victims does not come from nowhere, and underreporting is a HUGE problem.

The best place to see it oozing to the surface are events like these where people attempt to tar the victim or it becomes a kind of voyeuristic orgy for the people who might or might not be capable of rape but find it arousing hear what they went through.

Like I said, I don't know what to do about it, but it has no place in a truly civilized society.

fletchthedubs

(41 posts)
15. As a heterosexual male these ignorant fucks disgust me
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 12:58 PM
Sep 2013

I'm not a great looking guy or physically impressive by current standards. Long and skinny, needless to say getting laid outside a relationship is not that easy a task for me. In my younger days I was extremely aggressive, physically violent for little to no reason, wrestled and trained in martial arts from a young age followed by a stint in spec ops. There is a very small number of women in the world that could stand up to me if I decided to have my way with them and that goes for many men as well if I chose to do so. I don't need a law to tell me what is right and wrong, I have a sister, mother aunts grand mothers and female friends that I'd do anything for, and every woman in the world is at least one of those things to every man. Rape is something I've never been able to understand and have no idea how to stop. The military has training on how to avoid becoming a victim while its hopefully helpful for some I have seen little to no effort in eliminating the root cause of rape as well as disgustingly small penalties for such a heinous act. I could go on for hours about this subject but I'm pretty high right now and feel like I'm just rambling.

In many posts on this board I admit to being an active criminal in the marijuana trade so my ideas in this rant may seem opposite of my normal stance on laws and law enforcement. Strict sentencing and outrageous punishment for victimless crimes is a crime itself in my opinion as it takes away time and resources from important police work solving crimes like rape.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
23. it has become such a norm, so common place for men to talk to women in this manner. and we have
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 01:10 AM
Oct 2013

people on du dare to argue this is a problem. reading that, i sit here numb. this has become our world. women are talked about in this manner in every facet of our world. be it the net, our media, on the streets. this is what our girls will be raised in and this is what our boys will hear and learn.

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