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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/27/end-days-for-the-gop.htmlEnd Days for the GOP
by Michael Tomasky Sep 27, 2013 5:45 AM EDT
After years of sabotaging government and getting away with it, the GOP has finally gone too far. America knows it, and so does the party itself. By Michael Tomasky
Watching the GOP convulse these last few days, I sense that we just might finally be on the cusp of an important and long-awaited moment. Up until now during the Obama era, the Republicans scorched-earth politics have harmed their party, but they have always harmed the Democrats nearly as muchor, in the long term, even more. Its a big reason why they do the things they dothey know cynically that if they bring the government to a standstill, most people will just blame both parties, and indeed might even cast more blame on the party of government, the Democrats.
The gig may be about up. The odds are good that by the morning of October 18, one of two (correct) perceptions will be broadly held by the American public: one, that the Republican Party has collapsed into all-out ideological civil war; two, that the Republicans are a party not merely of obstructionists but destructionists, in ways that will be so evident that even those independents devoted to the idea that both sides are to blame will run up the white flag. All the Republicans madness of the last five years is finally going to catch up with them.
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The Republicans had already decided, back in August, that while they would put up a bit of a fight on government shutdown, they were basically going to put their eggs in the debt-ceiling basket. I can see why, superficially. A government shutdown is easy for people to understand, and more people will blame the party that doesnt care about government. Whereas the debt limit is hard to understand and can easily be blamed on overspending by the president.
That may be, but theres another group of people who understand the debt limit very well, and thats Americas CEOs and financial titans. In the final 72 hours before the October 17 borrowing deadline, you can be sure that theyll be calling Boehner and Mitch McConnell frantically, saying, Are you guys out of your minds?
Theyll almost certainly cave, just like they did on the fiscal-cliff deal. Or maybe they wont. They lose either way. In the former case, all their big talk came to nothing. In the latter, theyve driven the country down the sinkhole. And so, like I said up top, theyll be seen either as in total disarray, or as complete saboteurs.
You can only set so many houses on fire before people finally figure out that this isnt happening by accident and you must be an arsonist. The GOP is now flirting with that moment. It cant come soon enough.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)I hope it doesn't get to that. But the meme of the GOP as pushed by FOX news and Limbaugh and BECK is that the President is refusing to "negotiate" over the debt ceiling and that passing the debt ceiling increase will explode the deficit. They won't be explaining that it is money already owed AND no one will say that the debt is coming down more rapidly than over the past two decades.
localroger
(3,629 posts)The public may be stupid but these guys know when their pet politicians are doing things destructive to them, and while the frosh Tea Party congressmen may be willing to defy them on principle most of the Republican party is still old school, and while they might not care much about us they care very much about the folks who fund their campaigns.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)Case in point, the latest poll figures that Americans favor the Affordable Care Act over ObamaCare.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)There's a poll that says that?
Please provide me a link.
That's sad. Laughable, but sad.
Efilroft Sul
(3,581 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Incredible.
marble falls
(57,137 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)going through the bowels of the Republican party.
It was a painfully slow movement that started with Reagan.
it was accompanied by the sonorous thunder of Buchanan, Limbaugh and Coulter,
and it will end appropriately with a perfect asswipe, Ted Cruz.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)they still own the tv, radio, and newspapers
mountain grammy
(26,640 posts)by the fox news watching morons. And it wasn't just fox. Our local news covered in detail any 20 teabaggers standing in front of the capital like it was some kind of huge national movement. The corporate media is as responsible for this debacle as anyone.
Whenever the GOP tries to die mercifully, the media ignores the DNR and is there with CPR.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)the fascists won't be dead until we obliterate their propaganda apparatus.
Snarkoleptic
(5,998 posts)get one finger on the steering wheel and reflexively steer toward a government shutdown. I knew all of this, but it was amazing to see her compare the Gingrich speakership to Boehner's and how frigheningly similar the tactics and timelines are. I guess the only difference is that Boehner is not really in the drivers seat.
I hope the awakening is eye-popping enough to overcome pug-controlled propaganda and gerrymandered districts.
KG
(28,752 posts)bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)has the death of the GOP been proclaimed so far? Yet they keep coming back, like roaches.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)heard this kind of thing for years and yet the Pubs keep surviving for reasons not understood by me.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)too many idiots live in America
ladjf
(17,320 posts)case, there might be hope somewhere down the line.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)learning and thinking takes them out of their comfort zone.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)There's still going to be a perpetual 'RWNJ fringe' (pro militia, anti-anyone who's not white and "Christian" group that makes up +/- 15% but if there's no 'mainstream conservative' party, per se, I sadly see the center-right Dems taking what used to be our party even more to the right, and there being just a frazzle of center left/progressive groups that can't get anything progressive done.
Sigh.
Kablooie
(18,637 posts)The GOP is still the party of CEOs and they would rather see Democrats back down than see the GOP disintegrate.
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babylonsister
(171,079 posts)dotymed
(5,610 posts)it seems that one corporatist party needs the other.
I have heard about the GOP demise before. Each time, the dlc democrats have done something (seemingly idiotic) that guarantees the gop survival..
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)They never were very informed, or even good critical thinkers but now they've become the stereotypical old angry white guys.
They see the whole budget thing, the safety net erosion, and plutocrats burying the working class as a "both sides are at fault" issue and are paranoid gun nuts who think Palin is a genius.
Still Sensible
(2,870 posts)party. Probably driven by the big money interests. It isn't yet clear which faction would get kicked to the curb, but the tea party folks are likely the ones Wall St would like to jettison. But, it might be they can't.
indepat
(20,899 posts)the lot of loons, obstructionists, and destructionists.