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babylonsister

(171,079 posts)
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 08:02 AM Sep 2013

Michael Tomasky: End Days for the GOP

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/27/end-days-for-the-gop.html


End Days for the GOP
by Michael Tomasky Sep 27, 2013 5:45 AM EDT
After years of sabotaging government and getting away with it, the GOP has finally gone too far. America knows it, and so does the party itself. By Michael Tomasky



Watching the GOP convulse these last few days, I sense that we just might finally be on the cusp of an important and long-awaited moment. Up until now during the Obama era, the Republicans’ scorched-earth politics have harmed their party, but they have always harmed the Democrats nearly as much—or, in the long term, even more. It’s a big reason why they do the things they do—they know cynically that if they bring the government to a standstill, most people will just blame both parties, and indeed might even cast more blame on the party of government, the Democrats.

The gig may be about up. The odds are good that by the morning of October 18, one of two (correct) perceptions will be broadly held by the American public: one, that the Republican Party has collapsed into all-out ideological civil war; two, that the Republicans are a party not merely of obstructionists but destructionists, in ways that will be so evident that even those independents devoted to the idea that both sides are to blame will run up the white flag. All the Republicans’ madness of the last five years is finally going to catch up with them.

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The Republicans had already decided, back in August, that while they would put up a bit of a fight on government shutdown, they were basically going to put their eggs in the debt-ceiling basket. I can see why, superficially. A government shutdown is easy for people to understand, and more people will blame the party that doesn’t care about government. Whereas the debt limit is hard to understand and can easily be blamed on overspending by the president.

That may be, but there’s another group of people who understand the debt limit very well, and that’s America’s CEOs and financial titans. In the final 72 hours before the October 17 borrowing deadline, you can be sure that they’ll be calling Boehner and Mitch McConnell frantically, saying, “Are you guys out of your minds?”

They’ll almost certainly cave, just like they did on the fiscal-cliff deal. Or maybe they won’t. They lose either way. In the former case, all their big talk came to nothing. In the latter, they’ve driven the country down the sinkhole. And so, like I said up top, they’ll be seen either as in total disarray, or as complete saboteurs.

You can only set so many houses on fire before people finally figure out that this isn’t happening by accident and you must be an arsonist. The GOP is now flirting with that moment. It can’t come soon enough.
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Michael Tomasky: End Days for the GOP (Original Post) babylonsister Sep 2013 OP
I agree, but you give the American more credit than they deserve to see things as they actually are kelliekat44 Sep 2013 #1
The key is the CEO's and business interests localroger Sep 2013 #2
+1. n/t Laelth Sep 2013 #17
Agreed. Americans are dumb. politicaljunkie41910 Sep 2013 #5
LMAO... are you serious? Fawke Em Sep 2013 #7
Here's the story — and it's about a Fox News poll! Efilroft Sul Sep 2013 #16
Thanks. Posted it on Facebook. Fawke Em Sep 2013 #27
You're right. Teapublicans continually screw the same voters that elect, re-elect or ignore them. marble falls Sep 2013 #11
The conservative movement is nearly finished Xipe Totec Sep 2013 #3
I hope so, but I doubt it Doctor_J Sep 2013 #4
Of course they do! Let's not forget 2010 when most of these morons were elected.. mountain grammy Sep 2013 #14
The recall of the anti-gun-massacre assemblyman in CO was entirely the doing of hate radio Doctor_J Sep 2013 #22
Rachel Maddow did a great piece the other night about how the pugs Snarkoleptic Sep 2013 #6
not hardly. KG Sep 2013 #8
We have said that before, but they come back like Kochroachs bahrbearian Sep 2013 #9
how many times. .. awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #10
I would like for the predictions made in the OP to come true. However, I agree with you. We've ladjf Sep 2013 #13
I understand it... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #15
I'm not sure whether the problem is are they idiots or are they just ignorant? If the latter is the ladjf Sep 2013 #23
most are willfully ignorant.. awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #24
Ok but, nature abhors a vacuum. Myrina Sep 2013 #12
Problem is the CEOs will also call Obama and demand he cave. Kablooie Sep 2013 #18
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #19
I dunno; ask Krystal Ball babylonsister Sep 2013 #20
I hope that happens but.. dotymed Sep 2013 #21
I wish. 2 of my friends who were center left are now hard line republicans Populist_Prole Sep 2013 #25
I think they'll just eventually reinvent the Still Sensible Sep 2013 #26
I have great faith in the propensity of the American electorate to continue to return the worst of indepat Sep 2013 #28
 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
1. I agree, but you give the American more credit than they deserve to see things as they actually are
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 08:10 AM
Sep 2013

I hope it doesn't get to that. But the meme of the GOP as pushed by FOX news and Limbaugh and BECK is that the President is refusing to "negotiate" over the debt ceiling and that passing the debt ceiling increase will explode the deficit. They won't be explaining that it is money already owed AND no one will say that the debt is coming down more rapidly than over the past two decades.

localroger

(3,629 posts)
2. The key is the CEO's and business interests
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 08:21 AM
Sep 2013

The public may be stupid but these guys know when their pet politicians are doing things destructive to them, and while the frosh Tea Party congressmen may be willing to defy them on principle most of the Republican party is still old school, and while they might not care much about us they care very much about the folks who fund their campaigns.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
5. Agreed. Americans are dumb.
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 09:19 AM
Sep 2013

Case in point, the latest poll figures that Americans favor the Affordable Care Act over ObamaCare.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
7. LMAO... are you serious?
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 09:27 AM
Sep 2013

There's a poll that says that?

Please provide me a link.

That's sad. Laughable, but sad.

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
3. The conservative movement is nearly finished
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 08:23 AM
Sep 2013

going through the bowels of the Republican party.

It was a painfully slow movement that started with Reagan.

it was accompanied by the sonorous thunder of Buchanan, Limbaugh and Coulter,

and it will end appropriately with a perfect asswipe, Ted Cruz.

mountain grammy

(26,640 posts)
14. Of course they do! Let's not forget 2010 when most of these morons were elected..
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 10:04 AM
Sep 2013

by the fox news watching morons. And it wasn't just fox. Our local news covered in detail any 20 teabaggers standing in front of the capital like it was some kind of huge national movement. The corporate media is as responsible for this debacle as anyone.

Whenever the GOP tries to die mercifully, the media ignores the DNR and is there with CPR.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
22. The recall of the anti-gun-massacre assemblyman in CO was entirely the doing of hate radio
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 11:11 AM
Sep 2013

the fascists won't be dead until we obliterate their propaganda apparatus.

Snarkoleptic

(5,998 posts)
6. Rachel Maddow did a great piece the other night about how the pugs
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 09:25 AM
Sep 2013

get one finger on the steering wheel and reflexively steer toward a government shutdown. I knew all of this, but it was amazing to see her compare the Gingrich speakership to Boehner's and how frigheningly similar the tactics and timelines are. I guess the only difference is that Boehner is not really in the drivers seat.

I hope the awakening is eye-popping enough to overcome pug-controlled propaganda and gerrymandered districts.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
10. how many times. ..
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 09:46 AM
Sep 2013

has the death of the GOP been proclaimed so far? Yet they keep coming back, like roaches.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
13. I would like for the predictions made in the OP to come true. However, I agree with you. We've
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 10:02 AM
Sep 2013

heard this kind of thing for years and yet the Pubs keep surviving for reasons not understood by me.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
23. I'm not sure whether the problem is are they idiots or are they just ignorant? If the latter is the
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 11:34 AM
Sep 2013

case, there might be hope somewhere down the line.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
12. Ok but, nature abhors a vacuum.
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 09:49 AM
Sep 2013

There's still going to be a perpetual 'RWNJ fringe' (pro militia, anti-anyone who's not white and "Christian&quot group that makes up +/- 15% but if there's no 'mainstream conservative' party, per se, I sadly see the center-right Dems taking what used to be our party even more to the right, and there being just a frazzle of center left/progressive groups that can't get anything progressive done.

Sigh.

Kablooie

(18,637 posts)
18. Problem is the CEOs will also call Obama and demand he cave.
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 10:39 AM
Sep 2013

The GOP is still the party of CEOs and they would rather see Democrats back down than see the GOP disintegrate.

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
21. I hope that happens but..
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 10:52 AM
Sep 2013

it seems that one corporatist party needs the other.

I have heard about the GOP demise before. Each time, the dlc democrats have done something (seemingly idiotic) that guarantees the gop survival..

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
25. I wish. 2 of my friends who were center left are now hard line republicans
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 01:10 PM
Sep 2013

They never were very informed, or even good critical thinkers but now they've become the stereotypical old angry white guys.

They see the whole budget thing, the safety net erosion, and plutocrats burying the working class as a "both sides are at fault" issue and are paranoid gun nuts who think Palin is a genius.

Still Sensible

(2,870 posts)
26. I think they'll just eventually reinvent the
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 01:15 PM
Sep 2013

party. Probably driven by the big money interests. It isn't yet clear which faction would get kicked to the curb, but the tea party folks are likely the ones Wall St would like to jettison. But, it might be they can't.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
28. I have great faith in the propensity of the American electorate to continue to return the worst of
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 04:16 PM
Sep 2013

the lot of loons, obstructionists, and destructionists.

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