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DonRedwood

(4,359 posts)
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 08:09 PM Oct 2013

I Have Faith That The Rat Trap Has Been Set

I love politics. I read politics every morning with coffee and every night, (once I wrestle the computer away from my partner and his Video Game--Some world building schemer where he is the king and constantly plotting to take over the world). So I consider myself knowledgeable.

Well, at least somewhat knowledgeable. I mean, compared to Fox News I'm practically the sharpest tool in the shed.

But I am the first to admit that I don't understand what President Obama is doing most of the time. He plays a very strategic chess game of politics that is so many steps ahead of the game, that I never know what the hell is going on. I'm a smart guy, and I can't figure out what his moves mean most of the time. Usually though it seems he doesn't do what I want him to do.

And it frustrates me sometimes because I don't think Obama is being aggressive enough, or linear enough, or, damnit, he's always seeming to be caving this way or that way.

But then, SUDDENLY, his rat trap snaps shut on the Republicans, and they squeal and thrash...but then there was Obamacare.

and instead of trumpeting his greatness, Obama just quietly went back to his game of chess.

And, again, another rat trap snaps shut and the Republicans are screaming and crying and gay marriage has suddenly leaped forward in a way I have been praying for and working towards since the 80s. This President, who I never in a million years would believe would become THE best President EVER for us gay peeps. If I were to ever meet the man, I think I would burst into tears at how deeply thankful I am for what he has done for me, my partner, our family.

But, my point is this: President Obama is a master politician. He beat Hillary Clinton. He won reelection even though the Republicans had spent enough to buy the seat 100 times over. His traps are long and complex and I've never seen one coming until after it was already done and over.

But it almost always starts the same way. He gives them just enough rope to hang themselves...

And so I wait to hear this current trap to snap shut. The last one kept the Senate Blue. I wonder what this next one will do.

Happy Weekend People. Thank you for the brilliant conversations during these times. It is good to know there are other smart, caring people out there who have taken the time to educate themselves. Cheers all.

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I Have Faith That The Rat Trap Has Been Set (Original Post) DonRedwood Oct 2013 OP
I have the feeling you're right. I sure hope so! n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #1
He knows his Constitution, that's for sure DonRedwood Oct 2013 #2
Obama who wants to save the country vs terrorists Cha Oct 2013 #7
I hope you are correct. pangaia Oct 2013 #67
I am sure he saw this coming johnd83 Oct 2013 #3
I think the man has tried to govern in a way that was respectful of the right DonRedwood Oct 2013 #14
+1 LibGranny Oct 2013 #21
So true........ lucca18 Oct 2013 #26
welcome to DU! DonRedwood Oct 2013 #29
+ 1000 coeur_de_lion Oct 2013 #59
+ 2000 eom BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #77
I, too,hope 2naSalit Oct 2013 #4
All I know is I don't know!! DonRedwood Oct 2013 #17
Hey thank you, DonRedwood.. Cha Oct 2013 #5
He must have a plan...he always does DonRedwood Oct 2013 #18
k/r Dawson Leery Oct 2013 #6
I hope so Don panader0 Oct 2013 #8
crusader kings 2 best game ever he says. DonRedwood Oct 2013 #15
great post - elegantly and simply captures the reality of how Obama "governs" BadGimp Oct 2013 #9
Are you calling me elegant or simple? DonRedwood Oct 2013 #20
I'd bet on 'simply elegant' IrishAyes Oct 2013 #73
I so enjoy your posts. This one will be among my very favorites. Thanks. lamp_shade Oct 2013 #10
Very kind lampshade DonRedwood Oct 2013 #35
I kind of get that feeling too. Kablooie Oct 2013 #11
enjoyed your post fadedrose Oct 2013 #12
only once did I ever see the rat trap snap shut, "Please proceed Governor" Sheepshank Oct 2013 #13
One of the all-time most exceptional moments of politics EVER DonRedwood Oct 2013 #16
thanks for the reminder dwp6577 Oct 2013 #24
Well, less we forget the great rat trap of all: giving them the healthcare system they always said kelliekat44 Oct 2013 #31
lol...yes. Romneycare DonRedwood Oct 2013 #40
God, I'd forgotten him ailsagirl Oct 2013 #100
Will never forget that moment n/t Politicub Oct 2013 #45
A trip down Memory Lane... ailsagirl Oct 2013 #101
What a lovely post malaise Oct 2013 #19
Cheers malaise--is the bad weather heading your way? DonRedwood Oct 2013 #41
Some more rain is heading our way but it doesn't look bad malaise Oct 2013 #57
You may be right... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #22
From your keyboard ... sarge43 Oct 2013 #23
I hope you're right but I dont think I've seen many of his snapping rat traps bowens43 Oct 2013 #25
Have you perhaps been taking an extended nap then? IrishAyes Oct 2013 #75
Rope-a-dope Knicks007 Oct 2013 #27
Welcome to DU. However, we don't call the President "Barry" here, due to it being... Hekate Oct 2013 #55
Listen carefully to what he says dem in texas Oct 2013 #28
Welcome dem in texas! We hope there will soon be MORE dems in texas :0) DonRedwood Oct 2013 #37
Useful perspective. Thanks. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #87
K & R Iliyah Oct 2013 #30
He makes his own luck. IrishAyes Oct 2013 #76
Agreed. scmoore120 Oct 2013 #32
Luck is a prepared man meeting opportunity. Benton D Struckcheon Oct 2013 #102
He certainly has a way with traps. lonestarnot Oct 2013 #33
I love this post Politicub Oct 2013 #34
I love they named it Obamacare....because, like Medicaid and Social Security DonRedwood Oct 2013 #38
100 years from now Politicub Oct 2013 #47
also known as the fall of the Republican party DonRedwood Oct 2013 #50
I don't think they will have to research it nobodyspecial Oct 2013 #52
+1 Politicub Oct 2013 #53
I think even Biden's "Gay Gaffe" was a premeditated slip. Fla Dem Oct 2013 #69
I wouldn't rule that out myself either. Oakenshield Oct 2013 #96
AFTER All the second guessing Abukhatar Oct 2013 #36
I think we were having a wave of trolls there for a while DonRedwood Oct 2013 #56
Hello and welcome to DU. Glad to have you here. :0) DonRedwood Oct 2013 #86
Excellent post! graywarrior Oct 2013 #39
Obama is playing basketball Dan de Lyons Oct 2013 #42
Dan, first I want to welcome you to DU adn 2nd I demand you make this an Original Post DonRedwood Oct 2013 #43
Welcome! Politicub Oct 2013 #44
kinda jawdropping, eh? DonRedwood Oct 2013 #46
Many seriously underestimated Obama Isoldeblue Oct 2013 #93
K & R mac56 Oct 2013 #48
K&R - Great post, Don. Whisp Oct 2013 #49
Magnificently said. Bravo. Justice Oct 2013 #51
Thank you for the kind words! DonRedwood Oct 2013 #61
You're a good observer, and your "faith" is actually based on verifiable facts, to boot Hekate Oct 2013 #54
He telegraphed it during the '08 campaign CakeGrrl Oct 2013 #58
thank,s Chaco Dundee Oct 2013 #60
+1 hedgehog Oct 2013 #63
I'll raise you 60! No, make that an even hundred! IrishAyes Oct 2013 #78
hallelujah Chaco Dundee Oct 2013 #80
K&R n/t Greybnk48 Oct 2013 #62
Thats why I love you Don, you keep the rest of us informed. You are much trusted source! Rebellious Republican Oct 2013 #64
But are we the rats? grahamhgreen Oct 2013 #65
Some people do seem irretrievably inclined that way. IrishAyes Oct 2013 #79
I do that too, Irish Isoldeblue Oct 2013 #89
K&R n/t Dalai_1 Oct 2013 #66
Please proceed governor sobenji Oct 2013 #68
Part of the rat trp is to get this clean bill that says all workers will be paid BlueStreak Oct 2013 #70
for what he's done for gays, alone! Huge rec! Divine Discontent Oct 2013 #71
Absolutely! DonRedwood Oct 2013 #88
Sir - that is simply one of the finest pieces of writing I've seen in quite a long time. IrishAyes Oct 2013 #72
+1 for being alive at this time in history Politicub Oct 2013 #81
very kind, thank you very much :0) DonRedwood Oct 2013 #104
Please explain to me the trap Obama is setting with his support of cadaverdog Oct 2013 #74
TPP? What's that? sulphurdunn Oct 2013 #82
Well, since CPI never did go into effect, Isoldeblue Oct 2013 #91
Thanks DonRedwood albino65 Oct 2013 #83
Great post, Don. n/t tweeternik Oct 2013 #84
you're right--and you describe it very well. BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2013 #85
no President has been opposed to this degree, on every issue. no common ground. no give. spanone Oct 2013 #90
That was wonderful Isoldeblue Oct 2013 #92
I've also notice Lonr Oct 2013 #94
!!!! flamingdem Oct 2013 #95
Thank you Don, sheshe2 Oct 2013 #97
Some may scoff at the "11-Demensional Chess" Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2013 #98
Love this sentence ailsagirl Oct 2013 #99
The very innovative feature of Professor Obama's Patent Rattrap Mopar151 Oct 2013 #103

DonRedwood

(4,359 posts)
2. He knows his Constitution, that's for sure
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 08:25 PM
Oct 2013

and let's face it.... Obama's brain vs. a Tea Party Brain... Like a Pitbull vs. a chihuahua.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
67. I hope you are correct.
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 01:49 PM
Oct 2013

We really have no idea what is going on, other than it is an attempted coup.

And I don't think it is Obama's brain vs the teaprty brain. The people running this coup are way smarter than any teaparty moran..

johnd83

(593 posts)
3. I am sure he saw this coming
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 08:26 PM
Oct 2013

I just hope he had a plan on how to resolve it besides expecting the GOP to behave rationally. He did try in good faith to work with the nutbags. I wonder what other options he has?

DonRedwood

(4,359 posts)
14. I think the man has tried to govern in a way that was respectful of the right
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 08:39 PM
Oct 2013

He has tried to get along and they have been awful. And still he tried even after most Dems were pretty deeply offended.

I've always thought the great shame of his Presidency was that the racist right wingers robbed the country of this healing opportunity. A black man being elected should have been a celebration of how far we have come, not a fight to keep our ground.

2naSalit

(86,798 posts)
4. I, too,hope
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 08:28 PM
Oct 2013

you have deciphered what's going on, at least at that end of PA Ave!

And I have to add that the "squealing and thrashing of the Republicans" reminded me of Maurice Sendak"s "...and the rolled their terrible eyes and gnashed their terrible teeth.."!!

I had to stop and laugh for a minute before I could finish reading!!

But seriously, I hope you are right.

Cha

(297,692 posts)
5. Hey thank you, DonRedwood..
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 08:28 PM
Oct 2013

I've had that at the back of my mind, too. After awhile you get conditioned.

Have yourself a good weekend too.. mahalo for your thread~

DonRedwood

(4,359 posts)
18. He must have a plan...he always does
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 08:51 PM
Oct 2013

That's the way it always seems to work. I'd sure hate to be against the man.

BadGimp

(4,019 posts)
9. great post - elegantly and simply captures the reality of how Obama "governs"
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 08:32 PM
Oct 2013

He seems to be a master strategist and tactician... but what do I know.

lamp_shade

(14,842 posts)
10. I so enjoy your posts. This one will be among my very favorites. Thanks.
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 08:33 PM
Oct 2013

I at you and bookmark this thread.

Kablooie

(18,641 posts)
11. I kind of get that feeling too.
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 08:34 PM
Oct 2013

I often feel that he's giving in too much, and at times maybe he has, (we're living the sequester budget and I don't think that was part of his plan), but on the whole I think he's a lot shrewder than most people give him credit for.

In this particular case the right seems absolutely giddy with excitement to wrap the rope around their necks and help their compadres wrap it around theirs. (Though I doubt they'd appreciate being called compadres.)





 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
13. only once did I ever see the rat trap snap shut, "Please proceed Governor"
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 08:38 PM
Oct 2013

like you every other time, it's been after the fact that it's become evident the strategy of how the game is being played out (actually more like manipulated)...not even the Reps seem to see it coming.

DonRedwood

(4,359 posts)
16. One of the all-time most exceptional moments of politics EVER
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 08:42 PM
Oct 2013

and I stand corrected, that was a moment we saw him dole out the rope. Brilliant.

dwp6577

(103 posts)
24. thanks for the reminder
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 09:20 PM
Oct 2013

that moment in the debates was marvelous...the look on his face; I think youth might use the term, "powned".

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
31. Well, less we forget the great rat trap of all: giving them the healthcare system they always said
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 09:34 PM
Oct 2013

they wanted...individual mandates and all. Now they hate it soooooo..e i.universal health care or Medicare for all is on its way. He is a master. And yes, the sequester is hurting many but even that will take a turn in the long run. The deficit is falling, the trade gat closing, and one more of the boogey-man issues for the GOP will soon be gone. Once the Dems are back in control much of the safety net will be restored.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
22. You may be right...
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 08:59 PM
Oct 2013

he surprised the hell out of me with Syria. When was the last time we didn't bomb someone who the MIC wanted to?

Hekate

(90,827 posts)
55. Welcome to DU. However, we don't call the President "Barry" here, due to it being...
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 12:15 AM
Oct 2013

... a birther moniker. POTUS, Obama, President Obama -- all will do just fine.

dem in texas

(2,674 posts)
28. Listen carefully to what he says
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 09:30 PM
Oct 2013

He will make a statement and everyone forgets about it but him. When he told the press his girls wanted a dog, he said they'd get one in late spring. If you have ever had kids really wanting something, like a dog, you know they will drive you crazy begging and chances are you will give in to them. But when did the Obamas did get the dog, it was just when he said, late spring.

Like getting Bin Laden, when he was debating McCain,he said would go into Pakistan to get him,if needed, he was ridiculed by the right and the press. Then everyone forgot about it, but once he was elected, he put the wheels in motion and you all know what happened.

He has said he will not negotiate on the shut down and the debt ceiling and I believe him. Whether it is because he is stubborn and sticks to his guns or if he is smart at maneuvering, I don't know, but I believe what he says, no matter how minor, he means it.

That's what I like about him, he steady and stays the course. If you agree with him, send him an email and let him know you are supporting him all the way.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
34. I love this post
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 09:39 PM
Oct 2013

You are a kindred spirit - Politics morning, noon and night.

I feel the same way about Obama's long game. I don't get it then all of the sudden DADT is consigned to the dustbin of history. Dems fall over themselves to support marriage equality now - with PBO championing it in the general election. And more.

Obama dropped the gay community a hint - at least to those who were listening - during his first year of office. He said during remarks at an event (or maybe in a q&a) that the gay community would be happy about what's to come from his admin.

That turned out to be the understatement of the century. And it causes me to trust his skillful handling of the presidency.

I believe the ACA terrifies republicans for a variety of electoral reasons, the primary one being that the Act will have a profound, positive economic impact for years to come.

DonRedwood

(4,359 posts)
38. I love they named it Obamacare....because, like Medicaid and Social Security
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 10:21 PM
Oct 2013

it will be known as one of the foundations of society.

And Obama's name is going to be tied to it for eternity. History will be kind to this President, even if the modern day is not.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
47. 100 years from now
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 11:14 PM
Oct 2013

People will wonder why this foundational program is called Obamacare. And through their research they'll learn about PBO and this remarkable time in American history.

nobodyspecial

(2,286 posts)
52. I don't think they will have to research it
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 11:32 PM
Oct 2013

His name will be up there with Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln and Kennedy. Iconic. And he knows it. His sense of history is incredible. If you look at some of his stagecraft, it is immediately evident, from the day he announced his candidacy.

Fla Dem

(23,760 posts)
69. I think even Biden's "Gay Gaffe" was a premeditated slip.
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 02:37 PM
Oct 2013

It opened the door and allowed Mr. Obama to walk right through it.

Oakenshield

(614 posts)
96. I wouldn't rule that out myself either.
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 06:27 PM
Oct 2013

During the Presidential debates I always had a suspicion Biden came out swinging so hard against Paul Ryan so he could give the President more room to be aggressive in his next debate with Romney.

Abukhatar

(90 posts)
36. AFTER All the second guessing
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 10:18 PM
Oct 2013

that went on aroundhere, good to see acknowledgement of his gamesmanship - I mean many here tried to project their thinking onto him and by him not following their logic, they claimed he was being ineffective, weak, naive. many of us dont see the long game

Dan de Lyons

(52 posts)
42. Obama is playing basketball
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 10:45 PM
Oct 2013

... when everyone else is playing football. His deftness on Syria was wonderful. He had Republicans taking positions against a war - because he was for it. Then he played good cop-bad cop with Putin, and the Syrians chose Mr. Good Cop to do business with. Bad Cop was trying to go to war with them. And he then pulled the plug on the MIC by putting the go-to-war question properly into Congress' hands. He undid 50 years of letting the Executive decide when to go to war.

A big stack of wins.

DonRedwood

(4,359 posts)
43. Dan, first I want to welcome you to DU adn 2nd I demand you make this an Original Post
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 10:51 PM
Oct 2013

You have summed up recent history beautifully... everyone on this website needs to read your synopsis.

Brilliant.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
44. Welcome!
Fri Oct 4, 2013, 11:03 PM
Oct 2013

I am looking forward to reading more of your posts.

Re: your perspective on Syria, I hadn't thought about the strategy that went into the approach. Very thought provoking post!

Isoldeblue

(1,135 posts)
93. Many seriously underestimated Obama
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 06:01 PM
Oct 2013

during that time. I didn't know how it would end, but I had the faith and trust in him, knowing that he didn't want to go to war, JUST as much as the loudest protesters here carried on about.

I'd add that no matter how rotten the right is against him, he never lowers himself to their level and always stays classy, in spite of their slimy ways. He refuses to lower his standards and so I know I can rely on him to be cool.

Maybe he'll surprise us with some more things, like decriminalizing the holy kind herb. Especially, if in 2014 we can get a more democratic congress.

Hekate

(90,827 posts)
54. You're a good observer, and your "faith" is actually based on verifiable facts, to boot
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 12:09 AM
Oct 2013

It's the same reason I am patient and wait for more information to come out -- events have a way of unfolding that is sometimes surprising.

You and your family have a good weekend, DonRedwood.

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
58. He telegraphed it during the '08 campaign
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 05:14 AM
Oct 2013

He TOLD people he would do things they wouldn't like.

He plays the long game. Period. I'll take his strategy despite the short-term naysaying and handwringing any day.

 

Rebellious Republican

(5,029 posts)
64. Thats why I love you Don, you keep the rest of us informed. You are much trusted source!
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 01:04 PM
Oct 2013

Keep up the good work, also might I suggest getting a cheap second computer.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
79. Some people do seem irretrievably inclined that way.
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 03:29 PM
Oct 2013

(I really wanted most of all to see if I could spell irretrievably rite)

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
70. Part of the rat trp is to get this clean bill that says all workers will be paid
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 02:40 PM
Oct 2013

Because the second Obama signs that, he should be out there with:

"OK. Now explain this to me again. You are laying off 800,000 workers to make some political point about Obamacare, even though everybody know this is a settled law and is proceeding at full steam. And now you have agreed that we are going to pay everybody anyway. So tell me why we're letting these workers sit at home when we are obligated to pay them anyway. If the taxpayers are paying those 800,000 salaries, I WANT THEM ON THE JOB --- NOW!"

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
72. Sir - that is simply one of the finest pieces of writing I've seen in quite a long time.
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 03:09 PM
Oct 2013

Spot on! You rock.

Some other DUer said recently that President Obama has a way of letting the opposition push him exactly where he wants to be. I too stand amazed. For all its ills, this is a great time in history to be alive.

cadaverdog

(228 posts)
74. Please explain to me the trap Obama is setting with his support of
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 03:17 PM
Oct 2013

the TPP. I'm not that clever, but it seems to me that trap is going to slam shut on the American people. As in NAFTA redux.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
82. TPP? What's that?
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 03:48 PM
Oct 2013

Keystone XL pipeline? Never heard of it. What was NAFTA again? I forget. The letters RTT are rattling around somewhere. What was that? Chained CPI? I forget. ACA? Isn't that the one that requires the government to subsidize private insurance? Don't know for sure. Haven't federal employee salaries been frozen for two years prior to the furloughs, or am I just imagining that? The trap has snapped shut alright. The only question is "on whom?"

Isoldeblue

(1,135 posts)
91. Well, since CPI never did go into effect,
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 05:44 PM
Oct 2013

maybe the trap snapped your jumping the shark....?
I knew the teahadists wouldn't accept it, and so did our POTUS. He knew it was safe to do.

 

albino65

(484 posts)
83. Thanks DonRedwood
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 03:49 PM
Oct 2013

That was a needed shot in my brain. There is so much going on now and it's hard to guess where it's going. You made me step back and take a look and not feel so frustrated.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
85. you're right--and you describe it very well.
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 04:31 PM
Oct 2013

I am so glad he's the guy in charge!

I knew something very good had happened when his first action as president was to strike down the global gag rule, which had been killing and maiming and forcing children on women in destitute nations around the world.
It didn't get a whole lot of fanfare on DU because it's one of those women things: issues which only sporadically command wide attention here. Also, it impacted people far away, whose plight does not get any media attention. But that first act was hugely courageous. A direct, in your face readjustment of twisted values that had been put in place by repukes and crowed about by the bewsh scum.

spanone

(135,880 posts)
90. no President has been opposed to this degree, on every issue. no common ground. no give.
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 05:43 PM
Oct 2013

i believe you are correct that he is a master politician. i also believe the history will be very kind to him.

Isoldeblue

(1,135 posts)
92. That was wonderful
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 05:49 PM
Oct 2013

to read. I so enjoyed someone able to say how clever and masterful Obama is and the reality of suspense sometimes, watching things unfold.

I've emailed this to several of my discouraged liberal friends. It's the shot in the arm we all needed. Thank you, Don!

 

Lonr

(103 posts)
94. I've also notice
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 06:15 PM
Oct 2013

that Obama is very skillful at strategically positioning his 'game pieces' in order to trap Republicans ( give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves ) and I applaud his political abilities and most of his efforts.

However, he did lose a lot of credibility, as far as I'm concerned, when he came on TV and lied about the NSA spying on American citizens by claiming that this was not occurring when in fact we know, thanks to recent revelations, that the NSA routinely violates the 4th Amendment to the United States Constitution.

ailsagirl

(22,899 posts)
99. Love this sentence
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 08:06 PM
Oct 2013

"...and instead of trumpeting his greatness, Obama just quietly went back to his game of chess."

I think you're on to something, DonRedwood!!

Mopar151

(9,999 posts)
103. The very innovative feature of Professor Obama's Patent Rattrap
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 08:33 PM
Oct 2013

Is the way it will not trip until a sufficently fat rat is in tange - witness the case of Trump the Rat and the Vault Copy.

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