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cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 01:15 PM Oct 2013

NYT on Boehner's Motivations (interesting)

This is interesting analysis—that Boehner's primary motivation is saving the Republicans from themselves, despite themselves, and trying to manage the inevitable capitulation. Almost like setting a "back fire" on the debt limit while the wildfire of the budget fight runs its course. And I very much appreciate the theory/observation, re: Cantor, that when a dam breaks it sweeps everything away.

...The overarching problem for the man at the center of the budget fight, say allies and opponents, is that he and his leadership team have no real idea how to resolve the fiscal showdown.

They are only trying to survive another day, Republican strategists say, hoping to maintain unity as long as possible so that when the Republican position collapses, they can capitulate on two issues at once — financing the government and raising the debt ceiling — and head off any internal party backlash. Republican lawmakers say Mr. Boehner has assured them privately that he will not permit a default.

Backers of the speaker say he does not have to fear a coup. His obvious successor, the majority leader, Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, is so caught up in the current legislative battle that he would probably be washed away with Mr. Boehner in a Tea Party putsch, and with no other obvious candidates in waiting, no such uprising is likely.

“I do not believe he’s primarily concerned with saving his speakership. He’s concerned with saving the House Republican Conference,” said Vin Weber, a former Republican House member who advises the current House leadership...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/05/us/politics/boehner-urges-gop-unity-in-epic-battle.html?hp&_r=1&

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NYT on Boehner's Motivations (interesting) (Original Post) cthulu2016 Oct 2013 OP
very much agree that they're flying by the seat of their pants. nashville_brook Oct 2013 #1
This is Boehner apologia ProSense Oct 2013 #2

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
1. very much agree that they're flying by the seat of their pants.
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 01:22 PM
Oct 2013

you can see it in their pressers...they're at loose ends.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
2. This is Boehner apologia
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 01:29 PM
Oct 2013
As for Mr. Boehner, on Friday he played down any personal animosity between him and his Democratic adversaries, but did show a flash of temper when he referred to suggestions from the White House that Democrats had the advantage. “This isn’t some damn game,” he said, his voice rising. “The American people don’t want their government shut down, and neither do I.”

Seriously, the piece is premised on a bullshit theory that Boehner didn't want a shut down, and uses the ridiculous anonymous quote to give him cover.

How on earth is a government shutdown and now threatening the debt ceiling a route to saving the Republican Party?

'Serious' Republicans unnerved not by shutdown damage to nation, but to party

by Hunter

Title of New York Times article: GOP Elders See Liabilities in Shutdown. Ya think?

The hard-line stance of Republican House members on the government shutdown is generating increasing anger among senior Republican officials, who say the small bloc of conservatives is undermining the party and helping President Obama just as the American people appeared to be losing confidence in him.

Oh noes, the nation was this close to realizing that Obamacare was worse than all the Hitlerz but then House Republicans had to stick their foot in their mouths and swallow them up to the hipbone. We get to hear once again that Republican senators are very, very angry at freshman senator Ted Cruz for telling House Republicans that their feet were delicious, but also that a conservative group aligned with Cruz has been attacking Republicans who voted contrary to him and that is probably the biggest crime of all:

Ms. Ayotte asked Mr. Cruz to disavow the group’s effort and demanded he explain his strategy. When he did not, several other senators — including Mr. Johnson, Mr. Coats and even Mitch McConnell, the minority leader — joined in the criticism of Mr. Cruz.

“It just started a lynch mob,” said a senator who was present.

We also hear that the scions of the party, people like Jeb! are worried that all of the rampant foot-eating is making the public think the party is a bunch of foot-eaters.

(Jeb!) Bush’s comments reflect what has become gospel among many Republican professionals: that the language and images projected by the Washington wing of the party are interfering with efforts to modernize.

You may note that none of the talk, and by that I mean jack-all, and by that I mean zero, is directed at how shutting down the government and hurting wide swaths of America is a Bad Thing. No, it's all about how it makes them look, and whether or not it will hurt their own careers, and which groups are printing up literature against them, and whether or not the Jeb Bushii of the party will now be saddled with coming up with a plausible sounding excuse as to why their party continues to devolve into self-cannibalism while attempting to blow the usual smoke about how the party will change, pinky swear, if we just vote for one more batch of the people waving their knives and forks around. Whether or not this or that group of perfectly innocent and by-golly necessary federal workers start losing their homes when the next round of paychecks does not come is of no interest whatsoever—the problem for Serious Republicans is all about how all of that might make Serious Republicans look bad.

Given that any group of Serious House Republicans could end this entire episode, and in vote after vote cannot be bothered, it should be abundantly clear that there are no Serious House Republicans. Given that any of these other non-House Serious Republicans could be doing considerably more to rein the cannibals in and have pointedly not, in the years that led up to this moment, it should be clear that there are no Serious Republicans outside of the House either. This will end only when House Republicans have so cannibalized each other as to have left not even the smallest pretense of seriousness behind, and heaven knows that none of the stories already coming out about the damage being done to the wider nation has budged them so far.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/04/1244185/--Serious-Republicans-unnerved-not-by-shutdown-damage-to-nation-but-to-party

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023785863
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