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Schema Thing

(10,283 posts)
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 03:16 PM Oct 2013

How do mortgage brokers/officers make their money?



To anyone who is in the mortgage banking field, a few questions regarding a loan I've applied for:


Does the "Mortgage Banker" at my Chase branch get paid by commission? How would that be structured; as a percentage of the total loan? As a percentage of closing cost?

Is a $80K loan worth their time and effort? Should I just expect less-than-snappy service and responses to questions/request?

Does she make a percentage on PMI? (I'm really curious about this one, as she seems to have pushed, harder-than-makes-sense, to structure the loan using only 3.5% down - keeping the LTV to just a little >90%, which means the PMI, under the newer FHA rules, stays on the loan for the entire 30 year term, whereas if it was <90%, the PMI would drop off after 11 years. In fact, this mortgage banker tells me that no such rule exist - that "the PMI has to be on the FHA loan for life", while the FHA website gives me the info I just wrote above).
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How do mortgage brokers/officers make their money? (Original Post) Schema Thing Oct 2013 OP
Pot lickin randr Oct 2013 #1
They make money off the "points" and closing costs Sedona Oct 2013 #2
This is all news to me wercal Oct 2013 #3
well, she's not wrong that as of June 2013, FHA requires PMI Schema Thing Oct 2013 #4
I think your BS meter has already gone off wercal Oct 2013 #6
Like a realtor, NOW! Coyotl Oct 2013 #5
they spend a half hour typing on a computer and charge you $8000 is how nt msongs Oct 2013 #7
The PMI should stop when the LTV drops below 80%. FarCenter Oct 2013 #8
yes, for loans that start at >90% LTV, the PMI is for the life of the loan now (fha loans). Schema Thing Oct 2013 #9

wercal

(1,370 posts)
3. This is all news to me
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 03:37 PM
Oct 2013

I have not heard of a time frame for PMI. Instead, my understanding has always been that lenders required it until you had a certain equity stake - 30% in my experience.

I would run away from a 'PMI for Life' scenario, and find another lender.

Schema Thing

(10,283 posts)
4. well, she's not wrong that as of June 2013, FHA requires PMI
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 03:47 PM
Oct 2013

for the life of the loan, IF the LTV is greater than 90%.


I'm just confused because she doesn't seem to know or want to accept that this can be avoided by structuring the loan to be less than 90% LTV; I have enough saved to easily pay more down payment to do so.


I guess I need to explore the advantages/disadvantages of FHA vs conventional?

wercal

(1,370 posts)
6. I think your BS meter has already gone off
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 04:01 PM
Oct 2013

If this loan officer can't explain to you exactly why you would want to improve the LTV...she may be putting her interests ahead of yours.

PMI for the life of the loan could amount to a tremendous amount of money. Also, my suspicion is that you could get a better rate, if you put more down. All sorts of reasons to put more money down if you can.

I would take a look at another bank.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
8. The PMI should stop when the LTV drops below 80%.
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 07:37 PM
Oct 2013

Except that if you are a high risk borrower, the lender can require PMI down to 50% LTV.

You have to contact the lender to request that they stop the PMI when the principle remaining on the mortgage drops below 80% of value. It may also require a reappraisal. I'm not sure.

If you start out at 3.5% down on a 30 year loan, it will take quite a while for the LTV to drop below 80%, since the early payments are almost all interest and the principle is reduced very slowly.

A >20% down, 15 year loan will be a much better deal if you can swing the down payment.

Correction: It looks like FHA is now collecting PMI for the life of the loan ---

FHA Mortgage Premium Changes for April 2013
http://www.fha.com/fha_article?id=414

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