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Uncle Joe

(58,404 posts)
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 08:52 PM Oct 2013

Let Us Analyze The Word "Fuck"

Last edited Sun Oct 6, 2013, 10:30 PM - Edit history (1)

If done correctly with consenting partners, it's usually a most pleasurable experience.

It's an absolute necessity for the continuation of human and most every other species.

So how did we come to wish that on our enemies or opponents?

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Let Us Analyze The Word "Fuck" (Original Post) Uncle Joe Oct 2013 OP
Context is the key to it's usage. House of Roberts Oct 2013 #1
I suppose the same can be said for the word "liberal." Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #6
I wasn't there during it's initial primary usage, House of Roberts Oct 2013 #25
Is that a Robert's Rule of Order? Rex Oct 2013 #37
More like Roberts' rule of thumb. House of Roberts Oct 2013 #39
LOL Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #2
It derives from the Germanic word for "fist" Shivering Jemmy Oct 2013 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author NightWatcher Oct 2013 #4
would you risk talking here about loving the word F*ggot? bettyellen Oct 2013 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author NightWatcher Oct 2013 #7
you're fine with it, but long for the opportunity to say it here. So much so, you pretty much bettyellen Oct 2013 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author NightWatcher Oct 2013 #15
Hmm, you said you wish you could talk about the word, but CaNT. Very sneaky and no- I did not bettyellen Oct 2013 #19
my bi daughter says the gay community actually uses this word just as they use the word queer. liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #9
and SOME african americans use words you'd dare not. Just like SOME gay men are cool bettyellen Oct 2013 #21
Soooo, if the restrictions were removed you would say it? uriel1972 Oct 2013 #11
NO, HOLY SHIT NO. YALL MISSED MY POINTS NightWatcher Oct 2013 #18
Who do you believe is getting bitten by the abrupt bite? Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #13
Actually, it's not an absolute necessity any longer. randome Oct 2013 #10
I heard it was an olde English acronym F.U.C.K gopiscrap Oct 2013 #12
I understood it was a variation of "Fochen" uriel1972 Oct 2013 #17
could be that also gopiscrap Oct 2013 #20
Snopes says nope pokerfan Oct 2013 #22
For Unlawful Cardinal Knowledge FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #23
I have heard that also gopiscrap Oct 2013 #26
It was originally a crime and came from England ripcord Oct 2013 #29
George Carlin already explained this beautifully wordpix Oct 2013 #14
The fuck fucking fucked fuckers skit was great. L0oniX Oct 2013 #42
"fuck" (the word) don't matter. What matters is there is NO allowable cuss/explic permissible UTUSN Oct 2013 #16
That's not the point of my OP, the question is why was the word turned on its' head and is now used Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #24
Whups, sorry for having intruded!1 Nighty nite!1 n/t UTUSN Oct 2013 #27
No problem, you have a good night as well, UTUSN Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #28
It's because the word has a long history of flexible usage. Gormy Cuss Oct 2013 #41
I've always been curious about that treestar Oct 2013 #30
. Go Vols Oct 2013 #31
That's a good little video explaining the history of the word, but does it work against us? Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #32
Because it descibes the sex act done in a male-dominant, almost self-gratifying way? FarCenter Oct 2013 #33
The only times that I deliberately use the word Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #34
I doubt many women would use it to describe their activity on top, astride the man FarCenter Oct 2013 #38
+1 'Get fucked' 'Go fuck yourself' 'Fucked them over' leftstreet Oct 2013 #35
Pluck you. Skidmore Oct 2013 #36
From facere...facio, facere, feci, factum HereSince1628 Oct 2013 #40
LOL - very true but it may be the perfect word malaise Oct 2013 #43
It's a simple and complex word at the same time nolabels Oct 2013 #44

Uncle Joe

(58,404 posts)
6. I suppose the same can be said for the word "liberal."
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 09:28 PM
Oct 2013

In both cases, words which have positive meanings or undercurrents in real life have been turned on their heads.

Now "fuck" is a crude word but the initial primary meaning of it is of pleasure, reproduction and intimacy.

So in the vast scheme of things, is the disparaging usage of the word whether used consciously or subconciously as a slur creating an additional social dividing point that can then be taken advantage of by "We the People's" real life enemies?

"Divide and Conquer"

House of Roberts

(5,180 posts)
25. I wasn't there during it's initial primary usage,
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 09:51 PM
Oct 2013

so I'll leave it to others to attest to it's initial primary meaning.

I suppose analyzing the word 'liberal' could be another post.

Response to Uncle Joe (Original post)

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
5. would you risk talking here about loving the word F*ggot?
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 09:24 PM
Oct 2013

Both words are verbotten here, and neither is used as slurs as they are in America.

Response to bettyellen (Reply #5)

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
8. you're fine with it, but long for the opportunity to say it here. So much so, you pretty much
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 09:32 PM
Oct 2013

said it here. Ok then!

Response to bettyellen (Reply #8)

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
19. Hmm, you said you wish you could talk about the word, but CaNT. Very sneaky and no- I did not
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 09:44 PM
Oct 2013

misunderstand it one bit.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
9. my bi daughter says the gay community actually uses this word just as they use the word queer.
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 09:36 PM
Oct 2013

I knew they used the word queer. Was not aware they used the other word. I've never heard that word used in a positive manner, but hey I'm not gay. I guess if you're gay you're allowed to use it. I don't know.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
21. and SOME african americans use words you'd dare not. Just like SOME gay men are cool
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 09:47 PM
Oct 2013

with that. You takes your chances, but be assured NONE of it belongs on a progressive forum.

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
11. Soooo, if the restrictions were removed you would say it?
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 09:39 PM
Oct 2013

I would have hoped that compassion and internal morality would take care of it long before "societal" restrictions were necessary.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
18. NO, HOLY SHIT NO. YALL MISSED MY POINTS
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 09:44 PM
Oct 2013

I'M OUT OF THIS THREAD BEFORE I GET CRUCIFIED FOR SOMETHING I DIDN'T SAY/MEAN

Uncle Joe

(58,404 posts)
13. Who do you believe is getting bitten by the abrupt bite?
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 09:40 PM
Oct 2013

Most likely it will be members of the opposite sex, this creates division whether intended or not and those who; would profit by taking advantage of a divided American People for profit or power, well their job becomes all the easier.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
10. Actually, it's not an absolute necessity any longer.
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 09:37 PM
Oct 2013

But the much preferred method. Strange that mad scientists spend their lives trying to create life when all they really need to do is bond with a member of the opposite sex.
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uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
17. I understood it was a variation of "Fochen"
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 09:44 PM
Oct 2013

A Low German word for grinding a mortar in a pestle ( or is it the other way round?). A most descriptive image.

pokerfan

(27,677 posts)
22. Snopes says nope
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 09:48 PM
Oct 2013
Origins: Though a few common English words have grown out of acronyms (words created by taking the first letter(s) of major words in a phrase), 'fuck' isn't one of them. With precious few exceptions, words of acronymic origin date from the 20th century and no earlier. It's almost guaranteed, therefore, any word from before the time of automobiles did not spring to life from a series of initials becoming so common that folks began pronouncing it as its own word.

The acronymic explanation of the origin of 'fuck' takes one of two paths: Fornication Under Consent of the King or For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge. Dealing with the first of these, though it's pleasing to think couples looking to procreate in those Dark Old Days had to first obtain the sovereign's persmission and then post a notice of what they were up to so all the neighbors could enjoy a good snicker, a moment's thought should set that one to rest. Were the king responsible for handing out such permissions, he wouldn't have time to do anything else (or even to keep up with that one task). Likewise, though there have been times when conquering forces have engaged in rape, it wasn't by royal fiat at the behest of a king looking to further dispirit the conquered.

One last nail in the coffin of the 'fornication under consent of the king' origin comes from the word 'fornication' itself. Though many reasonably conclude fornication is the old-time word for having sex, the term specifically excludes the physical union of man and wife. One can fornicate premaritally or extramaritally, but not intramaritally. In light of this, any claim wedded couples trying to entice the stork down their chimney were granted fornication permits crashes against the rock of the wrong word being used.

http://www.snopes.com/language/acronyms/fuck.asp

ripcord

(5,498 posts)
29. It was originally a crime and came from England
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 10:13 PM
Oct 2013

But it was used as shorthand to describe the reason prostitutes were arrest, For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge.

UTUSN

(70,725 posts)
16. "fuck" (the word) don't matter. What matters is there is NO allowable cuss/explic permissible
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 09:43 PM
Oct 2013

* Sex is NOT BAD, so can't use the words "fuck" or "suck" or whatever.

* Religion IS bad, but what does it MEAN?!1 So what religious words are usable?!1

Bottom line, NO words can be used as cusswords. Bummer

Uncle Joe

(58,404 posts)
24. That's not the point of my OP, the question is why was the word turned on its' head and is now used
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 09:49 PM
Oct 2013

as a slur against our enemies or opponents?

Furthermore as I posted upthread, does the using of a positive function or aspect turned negative work against the people by making the dynamic of dividing and conquering all the easier?

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
41. It's because the word has a long history of flexible usage.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 06:27 PM
Oct 2013

"Fuck" morphed from a term for sexual intercourse into a broad based curse word. We use it as an interjection ("Oh,fuck!), as an adjective ("those fucking tea baggers&quot and as a noun to mean something pejorative ("That Darrell Issa is a sick fuck.&quot None of those usages have anything to do with intercourse.

IOW, we like the swear word so much that we've expanded our opportunities to use it.


eta: good ole Wiki. There's a much more articulate explanation of this there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuck


treestar

(82,383 posts)
30. I've always been curious about that
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 10:15 PM
Oct 2013

It has a meaning also of to cheat someone. To defraud someone.

"We're fucked," seems to mean that we are defeated. We've been taken advantage of, we've been used.

Uncle Joe

(58,404 posts)
32. That's a good little video explaining the history of the word, but does it work against us?
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 10:37 PM
Oct 2013

So in the vast scheme of things, is the disparaging usage of the word whether used consciously or subconciously as a slur create an additional social dividing point that can then be taken advantage of by "We the People's" real life enemies?

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
33. Because it descibes the sex act done in a male-dominant, almost self-gratifying way?
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 10:38 PM
Oct 2013

The connotation is sort of intermediate between "rape" and "make love".

Uncle Joe

(58,404 posts)
34. The only times that I deliberately use the word
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 10:46 PM
Oct 2013

is if the woman that I'm having sex with wants me to use it or she uses it in describing sex.

I have lost my temper and used it in an argument or when I'm really angry and alone but I make an effort in trying not to.

Edit for P.S. With the exception of this thread for analytical reasons.

leftstreet

(36,111 posts)
35. +1 'Get fucked' 'Go fuck yourself' 'Fucked them over'
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 10:54 PM
Oct 2013

It's usually something actionable, controlling and negative

You rarely hear anyone exclaim 'well fuck me those flowers are lovely!'

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
40. From facere...facio, facere, feci, factum
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 06:03 PM
Oct 2013

related to 'to make" it is an abbreviation of the term 'to make love...with the alternative meaning to make sex'.

Romans were VERY into sex at the time of the demise of Pompeii and the Herculaneum

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
44. It's a simple and complex word at the same time
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 06:59 PM
Oct 2013

It's used to get attention or get others to back off. It also seems people use it a lot when they get angry because while in that angry phase they are in the George Carlin lizard brain of eat, drink , fuck and sleep mode. These along with idea of defecate are the major functions while there in that mode. So it's the action word that engages and connotes doing something while giving the user it's some how conceived functional power.

It's also seems a lazy word people will use a lot when they might have a limited vocabulary and or surrounded by others with limited vocabulary. Many other ideas also i am sure, but at least off the top of my head those are mine.

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