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cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 10:22 PM Oct 2013

The Debt Limit thing is real, not hype

This is not a media-hype Y2K kind of story. The debt limit issue is more notable in the degree to which it is un-hyped. It's is a story the media doesn't get because it's complicated, unprecedented and in the category of, "something is sure to be done, right?"



Hitting the Ceiling: Disastrous or Utterly Disastrous?

Obama won’t, can’t negotiate over the debt ceiling, and Republicans still haven’t figured that out. So you have to say that it’s pretty likely that we will indeed hit the ceiling. Suppose that Obama’s lawyers tell him that extraordinary measures like just ignoring the ceiling or minting the coin are out. Then what?

Well, Goldman Sachs has a short paper (not online) arguing that the government probably could prioritize payments on Treasury bills, avoiding the breakdown of markets that would come from putting the world’s key safe asset into default. They don’t sound too confident. But even if they’re right, the government would still go into arrears on many other payments, from contractor bills to medical bills. And it would be forced into savage spending cuts, around 4 percent of GDP, that wouldn’t just cause hardship (Surprise! No Social Security for you this month!) but amount to a severely contractionary fiscal policy, sending us into recession if it lasted any length of time.

I think this is important. Lots of people have been focusing on the possibility of a mega-Lehman event, but even if we somehow avoid that, this will be a catastrophe.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/hitting-the-ceiling-disastrous-or-utterly-disastrous/
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The Debt Limit thing is real, not hype (Original Post) cthulu2016 Oct 2013 OP
The Constitution also says that the U.S. cannot default lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #1
Yes, but it can service debt at the cost of spending cthulu2016 Oct 2013 #7
Lawyers litigate. Judges adjudicate. For them to pretend "Oh noes! There's nothing I can do" LaydeeBug Oct 2013 #2
At some point we have to come to the conclusion Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #3
Global stock markets no-likey so far.... Barack_America Oct 2013 #4
The last time they fucked with it it lowered our S&P rating and B Calm Oct 2013 #5
The worst part about all of this Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2013 #6

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
7. Yes, but it can service debt at the cost of spending
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 11:02 PM
Oct 2013

We can, and will, do the equivalent of covering the minimum payment on the credit cards by not buying groceries.

 

LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
2. Lawyers litigate. Judges adjudicate. For them to pretend "Oh noes! There's nothing I can do"
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 10:24 PM
Oct 2013

is pure capitulation.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
3. At some point we have to come to the conclusion
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 10:26 PM
Oct 2013

that the American political system is a joke.

So Congress authorizes spending as per the constitution, but they don't allow the executive branch to borrow the money necessery to pay the bills that Congress racked up.

Fucking ridiculous.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
5. The last time they fucked with it it lowered our S&P rating and
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 10:51 PM
Oct 2013

crashed the market! Are republicans really that stupid to try it again?

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,436 posts)
6. The worst part about all of this
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 10:58 PM
Oct 2013

is that while some countries (i.e. Greece) are having severe economic problems like this, they're not experiencing them because they had one political party literally and purposely push them into it. The most disturbing aspect of all of these shutdowns and fights over the debt ceiling and the consequences thereof is that it's totally self-inflicted by one faction of one of the major political parties in our country and is in no way unavoidable- as has been the case in other countries. Stupid, stupid

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