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White House With Confederate Flag Flying Over It - On Bumper Sticker (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Oct 2013 OP
That dream died in 1865. hobbit709 Oct 2013 #1
Joseph Adams Milteer saw that it keep going in Dallas 50 years ago... Octafish Oct 2013 #9
Sounds more like a nightmare. Scuba Oct 2013 #2
Googled: Cooley Hurd Oct 2013 #3
Hardly A Surprise TheMastersNemesis Oct 2013 #5
Sad little wet dream Bucky Oct 2013 #20
Sounds like a Harry Turtledove novel cover Bok_Tukalo Oct 2013 #4
Don't bash the red state racists, there are only a few who openly show their hatred. Hoyt Oct 2013 #6
Since I live in a "red" state, I will state that is true. Fawke Em Oct 2013 #10
If this country can ever implement the FCC's kentauros Oct 2013 #17
That's not a Confederate Flag. Fawke Em Oct 2013 #7
Doesn't matter. Aristus Oct 2013 #8
Not some of them. Fawke Em Oct 2013 #11
I'm not sure I agree with the notion that poor white Southerners didn't give two hoots about slavery Aristus Oct 2013 #12
A logical hypothesis -- and I tend to agree RVN VET Oct 2013 #13
I live in the South, although barely so. kentauros Oct 2013 #18
Whatever you call it, it's still a flag/symbol of hatred and bigotry. Hoyt Oct 2013 #19
"South Postpones Rising Again For Yet Another Year" FSogol Oct 2013 #14
I live in W.va fitman Oct 2013 #15
Family done the street has the Israeli flag and a confederate flag - stars and bars - go figure n/t kydo Oct 2013 #16
What gets me is seeing a redneck flying a Rebel Flag up here in Indiana. B Calm Oct 2013 #21
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
6. Don't bash the red state racists, there are only a few who openly show their hatred.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 10:45 AM
Oct 2013

Or so I've been told, as if the governors -- elected by a majority of citizenry -- who didn't expand Medicaid (or outright restricted it), supported voter IDs, etc., aren't racists and openly hostile to the poor, disabled, mentally ill.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
10. Since I live in a "red" state, I will state that is true.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 10:51 AM
Oct 2013

The "majority" of which you speak are the rural areas.

See... in the South, much like everywhere else, the rural areas vote "red" and the urban areas vote "blue." The difference is that there are more rural areas in the South than, say, in the North or the West coast.

For example, if it weren't for the fact that Pittsburgh and Philadelphia are huge cities, Pennsylvania would be red.

In my own state, Tennessee, all four our our major cities - Memphis, Nashville, Knoxville and Chattanooga - boast Democrats as mayors. We are simply outvoted by our rural neighbors who are fed only a steady diet of right-wing radio, Faux News and conservative local newspapers. They simply, by virtue of their isolation, don't have as many media choices as we in the cities do - so they're brainwashed and kept in the dark.

If you want to effectively change the South (or HEY! How about changing the mid-West, which is CONSIDERABLY more "red" than the South), then you'll need to talk WITH rural voters instead of at them. It wouldn't hurt if some liberals started retiring to our back-woodsy areas, either.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
17. If this country can ever implement the FCC's
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 12:13 PM
Oct 2013
National Broadband Plan, then we could begin to turn the rural areas blue. That is, 'Net-savvy people could conceivably move to wherever in the country they like, and still "go to work" over the Internet.

Ever since I read of the FCC's plan several years ago, I've had this notion that people might begin to spread out into the country, once Internet access is equal to what's available in the cities. Until that happens, I don't see all that many Liberals retiring to rural areas, unless they're looking to set up a farm, winery, or vodka distillery

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
7. That's not a Confederate Flag.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 10:46 AM
Oct 2013

That's the Battle Flag or Northern Virgina.

I live in the South and don't seem to see these as much as DU would think I should; however, when I do, I always point that out, much to the chagrin of the bearer. LOL.

Aristus

(66,446 posts)
8. Doesn't matter.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 10:48 AM
Oct 2013

They fly it because they know it pisses off un-bigoted, non-racist, un-stupid people.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
11. Not some of them.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 10:57 AM
Oct 2013

In the South, many people are conditioned to believe that it's not bigoted. They have been taught over lifetimes that it represents states rights. They honestly believe it's not racist.

This is the conundrum. Like many, many, many wars, the elite sought to enrich their finances and power by coming up with some story that would appeal to the masses so they would have a steady fodder of young men to fight their wars.

Most of the young men who fought in the Civil War on the side of the South were not rich enough to own slaves, so the PTB came up with the "state's rights" story and sold it to the poor and middle class, who, if they knew that it was solely about owning slaves wouldn't have given two hoots about it - since they weren't rich enough to do so.

Lots of wars are like this. Like the wealthy wanting their hands on Iraqi oil, so the nation was sold the "weapons of mass destruction" bill of goods. Or the Gulf of Tonkin.

The Civil War's origins in lies are really no different.

Aristus

(66,446 posts)
12. I'm not sure I agree with the notion that poor white Southerners didn't give two hoots about slavery
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 11:03 AM
Oct 2013

I'm pretty sure they did, since as long as slavery existed, they themselves would never be at the bottom of the socio-economic ladder.

Poor white Southerners fought just as hard for slavery as slave owners themselves.

The poor, propertyless dirt farmers were fighting for something abstract: their sense of dignity and self-worth, however perverted it might have been by the notion that these qualities were predicated upon the enslavement of people who had done them no harm.

RVN VET

(492 posts)
13. A logical hypothesis -- and I tend to agree
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 11:18 AM
Oct 2013

Nobody wants to be on the bottom of the social ladder, the lowest of the low. So the current RW poor and working stiff needs to feel that the Mexicans and, of course (and always) the Blacks are beneath them, are something to be scorned and abused because by scorning and abusing them, you let the upper rungs of the ladder know that you think just like they do and are, therefore, as good as they (the upper rungers) are. Along the same lines, the uneducated among them scorn the educated as ivy tower know-nothing "egg heads" who are really only "book-larned" and devoid of the common sense of the "common man" (who is, by definition, white and blue collar -- whether employed or not). And don't even get them started about the Jews!

Problem is, there are 10s of millions of these folks. They vote. And they vote for the stupid. "They takin' away my food stamps? Yeah, I guess I use food stamps because I'm outta work and my family needs to eat -- but, shoot, if it means keepin' all those unqualified moochers from stealin' from the gummint, then I'm for it." Seriously.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
18. I live in the South, although barely so.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 12:25 PM
Oct 2013

That is, I live in Texas. I honestly don't recall seeing many of the Confederate flags, whichever ones are which. I would never be able to tell the difference between any of them. The history of the South didn't seem all that important to our schools back in the 1970s as compared to Texas History. When you have an entire high school year dedicated to your state's history, any history, other than that for the US & World, doesn't "rate"

Looking back on it now, it was almost as if we (as in, those that created our curriculum) were "ashamed" we were involved in the Civil War at all, and then didn't want to talk about it, much less teach the "proud" Southern history after the fact. I certainly didn't grow up learning about Southern Pride. Texas Pride, yes, but the rest of the South was another world entirely, and weren't truly a part of them.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
19. Whatever you call it, it's still a flag/symbol of hatred and bigotry.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 12:26 PM
Oct 2013

This is a flag of hatred. Where I live, they had that symbol on the state flag until they realized they better take it off if they wanted to get the Olympics.

FSogol

(45,524 posts)
14. "South Postpones Rising Again For Yet Another Year"
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 11:23 AM
Oct 2013

My favorite The Onion Article!

"HUNTSVILLE, AL–For the 135th straight year since Gen. Robert E. Lee's surrender at Appomattox, representatives for the South announced Monday that the region has postponed plans to rise again.

Three of the estimated 45 million Southerners who have not yet gotten around to rising again.

"Make no mistake, the South shall rise again," said Knox Pritchard, president of the Huntsville-based Alliance Of Confederate States. "But we're just not quite ready to do it now. Hopefully, we'll be able to rise again real soon, maybe even in 2001.""

http://www.theonion.com/articles/south-postpones-rising-again-for-yet-another-year,377/

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