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Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 04:41 PM Oct 2013

First Poll numbers in, Republicans fared slightly worse than we do.

Having endured this before, I refused to get my hopes up that this would be the nail in the Rethug coffins. Looks like I was right, because while more people blame the Rethugs, a majority still blame us and President Obama.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/07/cnn-shutdown-poll-plenty-of-blame-to-go-around/

According to the poll, 63% of those questioned say they are angry at the Republicans for the way they have handled the shutdown.

"But the Democrats are not getting off scot-free. Fifty-seven percent of Americans are also angry at the way the Democrats are dealing with the shutdown. And a 53% majority say they are also angry at President Obama," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "It looks like there is more than enough blame to go around and both parties are being hurt by the shutdown."


So the best that can be said is that we don't suck as much as the Repukes, we still suck according to those people who were polled.

As I feared, this was a lose lose for everyone involved. But perhaps if we keep screaming that it's the Rethugs fault, then those poll numbers will tick a bit more in our favor, and perhaps a majority won't think we suck almost as bad as the damned Rethugs.
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First Poll numbers in, Republicans fared slightly worse than we do. (Original Post) Savannahmann Oct 2013 OP
Source CNN. Where is Nate Silver on this? Coyotl Oct 2013 #1
That's the "blame all around" meme Turbineguy Oct 2013 #2
That's because the media is placing the blame equally meadowlark5 Oct 2013 #3
When Obama signs the TPP, does anyone think that is going to help Democratic candidates? AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #4
Or when he presses the red button and detonates mikeysnot Oct 2013 #8
democrats can keep their heads in the sand if they wish but they may be in for a rude awakening. liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #24
Not all Democrats. Some of us are long-term, you-can-count-on-our-votes Democrats. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #28
When you have people consistently saying both parties are the same Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #5
+1000 CakeGrrl Oct 2013 #7
I'll see your poll and raise you another one notadmblnd Oct 2013 #6
Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #9
The WaPo poll actually shows Republicans are getting slammed. ProSense Oct 2013 #13
oooh, well spotted! sibelian Oct 2013 #15
What is that supposed to mean? notadmblnd Oct 2013 #20
It was not her writing. It was excerpts that she posted notadmblnd Oct 2013 #16
Including the exact same link to the other thread about the GOP losing? Savannahmann Oct 2013 #23
Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't have. notadmblnd Oct 2013 #25
If you have posted much, someone somewhere has likely posted the same link as you karynnj Oct 2013 #27
Oh and here's another one. Do you now think that I"m MFcorey1? notadmblnd Oct 2013 #22
Jimmy Kimmel & Alexandra Pelosi Clips of Duhmericans otohara Oct 2013 #10
They should be being blamed a lot more than this gopiscrap Oct 2013 #11
Generic polls mean nothing. You have to get district by district polls MiniMe Oct 2013 #12
Lets see how they presented the questions madokie Oct 2013 #14
feel exactly the same way you do. cali Oct 2013 #17
I wonder how much of this is due to the overall wariness of a large % of the population WCGreen Oct 2013 #18
I'd like to point out that you say 'blame for' when the actual question in the poll is Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #19
Isn't CNN the king of the --"Well, both parties are to blame" meme?? Rectangle Oct 2013 #21
Title is foolish. Shivering Jemmy Oct 2013 #26
seems like more MFM008 Oct 2013 #29

meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
3. That's because the media is placing the blame equally
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 04:44 PM
Oct 2013

And most people don't investigate further than the news.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
4. When Obama signs the TPP, does anyone think that is going to help Democratic candidates?
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 04:46 PM
Oct 2013

Or when he appoints even more Republicans to high-level positions?

How about when he drops a few more drones on wedding parties and children in the Middle-East?

Or prosecutes a few more whistle-blowers for telling the truth?

At least, with his NSA program, we have a president who really listens to us.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
24. democrats can keep their heads in the sand if they wish but they may be in for a rude awakening.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:29 PM
Oct 2013

Despite all the hoopla over the government shutdown and the debt ceiling my vote will still count on which candidates fought for education, wages, SS, unions, and many other important issues.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
28. Not all Democrats. Some of us are long-term, you-can-count-on-our-votes Democrats.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 07:56 PM
Oct 2013

Others are "Democrats (D)" which have hijacked the Democratic Party.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
5. When you have people consistently saying both parties are the same
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 04:46 PM
Oct 2013

this is what happens.

Both parties aren't the same.

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
7. +1000
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 04:52 PM
Oct 2013

If this doesn't make clear how DIFFERENT the parties are, than those who don't get it never will.

And of course, there are those who still believe that the teevee people always tell the truth, so the GOP-biased MSM just keeps perpetrating the ignorance.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
6. I'll see your poll and raise you another one
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 04:47 PM
Oct 2013

Poll: 70 Percent Disapprove Of GOP Approach To Gov't Shutdown

Seventy percent of Americans disapprove of the way Republican lawmakers are approaching budget negotiations as the federal government shutdown enters its second week, a seven point jump from last week, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll published Monday.

President Barack Obama fared marginally better, with 51 percent of respondents disapproving of his handling of budget negotiations. Congressional Democrats, however, carried a 61 percent disapproval rating, according to the poll.

A Pew poll also released Monday bolstered this perception somewhat. According to that survey, 38 percent of Americans blamed the shutdown on congressional Republicans and 30 percent blamed it on the Obama administration.

The Post-ABC poll, conducted Oct. 2 - 6, surveyed 1,005 adults on conventional and cellular phones with a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points. The Pew poll, conducted Oct 3-6, surveyed 1,000 adults on conventional and cellular phones with a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.7 percentage points.Update

Update: A CNN poll also released Monday found that 63 percent of Americans are angry at congressional Republicans for the way they have handled the government shutdown, while 57 percent are angry at Democrats and 53 percent are angry at President Barack Obama.

The CNN poll, conducted Oct. 3-6, surveyed 1,009 adults via telephone with a margin of sampling error plus or minus three percentage points.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/poll-70-percent-of-americans-disapprove-of-republican-approach-to-budget-negotiations

PPP--"GOP could lose the House in 2014"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023794379

on edit: There you go- a link to their's. Happy now?

Response to notadmblnd (Reply #6)

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
13. The WaPo poll actually shows Republicans are getting slammed.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:08 PM
Oct 2013

Given the media BS false equivalency, it's surprising that of the 70 percent who disapprove of Republicans, 51 percent are in the "strongly" category.

That's a majority.

For the President, that number is 39 percent.

I still think Independents in these polls skew right. Nevertheless, Republicans are getting slammed in poll after poll.

More horrendous polling news for GOP: Even in deep red Utah, voters say they've gone too far
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023799150

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
16. It was not her writing. It was excerpts that she posted
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:15 PM
Oct 2013

and I reposted it for you to see. I took no credit for anything if that is what you are trying to say and I posted the original links too.

But just in case you are implying that I was plagiarizing and attempting to take credit for that post, I did edit it and posted her link.

Oh, I see- you think I'm her and that I'm spamming? Let me tell you sweetie, I know precisely who I am.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
23. Including the exact same link to the other thread about the GOP losing?
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:22 PM
Oct 2013

Come on, that's too convenient. It's all right, I'm sure that if you were a duplicate account, that the admin would have spotted and removed both by now.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
27. If you have posted much, someone somewhere has likely posted the same link as you
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 06:28 PM
Oct 2013

This is obnoxious and silly.

I don't get the animosity here - it is actually a pretty good idea to add the various polls on this to later threads because - in total - they tell more than when seen alone. (In fact, to research results, I recommend pollingreport.com which seems to collect polls and organizes them by subject and within subject by date of polling. )

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
22. Oh and here's another one. Do you now think that I"m MFcorey1?
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:21 PM
Oct 2013

Polls: Public places more blame for shutdown on GOP
http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/07/20857912-polls-public-places-more-blame-for-shutdown-on-gop?lite

By Michael O'Brien, Political Reporter, NBC News

As the federal government’s shutdown nears its second week, a pair of new polls released Monday suggests the fiscal standoff has begun to weigh on the Republican Party.

No one – not Republicans in Congress, President Barack Obama or his Democratic allies on Capitol Hill – comes away looking particularly great as a result of the shutdown, according to separate polls released Monday from the Pew Research Center and Washington Post/ABC News. But the negative fallout from the shutdown is more sharply pronounced in public opinion toward the GOP.

President Barack Obama calls on Republican House Speaker John Boehner to bring a clean continuing resolution to the floor for a vote. Obama made the remarks Monday in Washington, D.C., while visiting FEMA headquarters.

Thirty-eight percent of Americans said Republicans were to blame for the shutdown, versus 30 percent who blame the Obama administration and 19 percent who blame both, according to the Pew poll, which was conducted in the days since the shutdown came to pass. (For context, a Pew poll before the shutdown found that 39 percent would blame the GOP, 36 percent would blame Obama and 17 percent would blame both if the shutdown were to occur.)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023801936

gopiscrap

(23,763 posts)
11. They should be being blamed a lot more than this
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:06 PM
Oct 2013

but the fucking MSM is trying to keep it close to please they corporate over lords

MiniMe

(21,718 posts)
12. Generic polls mean nothing. You have to get district by district polls
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:07 PM
Oct 2013

And there has to be someone specific against the repub.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
14. Lets see how they presented the questions
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:12 PM
Oct 2013

then we can make up our minds if this is a true measure or not
My suspicion is it's all in the way it was asked that got these results

WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
18. I wonder how much of this is due to the overall wariness of a large % of the population
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:16 PM
Oct 2013

who are ignorant or mislead about "Obamacare".

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
19. I'd like to point out that you say 'blame for' when the actual question in the poll is
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:16 PM
Oct 2013

not about ascribing accountability but about how the issue is being handled. It is fully possible in this and other instances to think that Party A is fully to blame but that both A and B are not handling the situation well.

Rectangle

(667 posts)
21. Isn't CNN the king of the --"Well, both parties are to blame" meme??
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:17 PM
Oct 2013

I'd consider the source somewhat in this instance!

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