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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsObama says he is open to negotiations over ACA and budget issues if
repubs pass a short term debt ceiling increase. oh and fucking rob portman is floating a plan.
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Obama's press secretary, Jay Carney, told reporters the president would be willing to accept a short-term debt ceiling increase in order to get past the potential crisis date of October 17 when the government hits the $16.7 trillion borrowing limit.
And, in what could be construed as a shift in tone, Obama said he is open to negotiations over his healthcare plan and budget issues, but only after Congress approves measures to end a week-long government shutdown and raise the U.S. debt ceiling.
"As soon as that happens I am eager and ready to negotiate with Republicans on a whole range of issues: how do we create more jobs, how do we build the economy, how do we boost manufacturing," said Obama, in a visit to the Federal Emergency Management Agency on Monday to spotlight the loss of government services because of the shutdown.
"I'm happy to talk about healthcare. I'm happy to talk about energy policy, how do we deal with our long-term fiscal situation," he said.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/07/us-usa-fiscal-idUSBRE98N11220131007
City Lights
(25,171 posts)putting single payer on the table. Start negotiations from the left, not the center. See how the repukes like that.
djean111
(14,255 posts)City Lights
(25,171 posts)markpkessinger
(8,401 posts)NOT!
Mojo Electro
(362 posts)But absolutely the right move.
It's a nice daydream. Be nice if it did happen.
It's a shame that it wont.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)and progressive Democrats to the House and Senate.
That is why I am hoping we can draft Elizabeth Warren for president.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)You can have a voice and participate in the changes that are needed.
Narraback
(648 posts)NT
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)but their flaw is they view regressive and progressive views as equal and think the best solution lies in the middle. The problem with that view is often both sides do not have equally valid solutions, so more often than not, they propose half of an idea that will make things far worse be blended with an idea that will make things somewhat better, resulting in a negative net compromise rather than the implementation of a good solution to a problem.
The theory appears to be that each side is equal and the best and fairest solution is found in the center, a very flawed concept unless you think the Ideas of Paul Ryan and say Bernie Sanders are of equal merit, they clearly are not.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)The he could compromise by putting caps on the hearing aids and limiting optical to eyeglass unless contacts are medically necessary.
Other than that, he should tell them to go pound sand.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Why would he put that on the table if he favors the for profit health denying middle man approach?
The best we can hope for is a more restrained protection racket than we had before, not much, but an improvement nonetheless.
Centrists will go left enough sometimes to introduce some regulations to somewhat restrain the beast, but a centrist would never kill the beast no matter how abusive, because they believe half of what evil wants is a fair request and they seek fairness and most of all approval from angels and demons alike.
At least we might get to keep the preexisting condition rule, but I do worry about a potential weakening of the already fairly weak protections against restricting our ability to use our insurance for actual health care via out of pocket expenses beyond one's financial reach.
As it is we are not supposed to notice or point out that a class based tier system that decides who gets the best care purposefully provides the largest out of pocket expenses for the lowest class with the least chance of having any money to spend on the added "door vigs" - Bronze plans were designed for the working poor who can seldom scrape up $100 in an emergency and so will seldom if ever get to use the insurance they will barely be able to afford.
It should have been the opposite, with the upper class gold and platinum citizens having the most out of pocket expenses as they could actually still afford to receive care.
markpkessinger
(8,401 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)DJ13
(23,671 posts)It was a pic of a cave, but I only meant it to explain the meaning of the post above, but I was afraid it would be misread as me saying Obama was caving, which wasnt my intent.
BeyondGeography
(39,377 posts)because there's been nothing to bash Obama over the head with the past few weeks.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts).
Wounded Bear
(58,693 posts)I don't really care. But the shutdown and the debt ceiling come first. Then, let's talk.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)markpkessinger
(8,401 posts). . . The President has all the leverage here, and he has solid support for holding the line against the GOP. Why the fuck would he do this?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)a CR and the debt ceiling. There's no change.
Reading is fundamental.
markpkessinger
(8,401 posts)The law has been duly passed and enacted, and upheld upon court challenge. I mean, why on earth would he provide them with that kind of opening? The only thing it accomplishes is to give Republicans a further opportunity to chip away at it. It's one thing to express a willingness to negotiate over legislation that is in the process of being crafted or debated; it is quite another to give the GOP a chance to refight a battle they already lost. It's nuts!
Bok_Tukalo
(4,323 posts)This is just the administration saying the same thing they have been saying all along only nicer.
Raven
(13,899 posts)kentuck
(111,110 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)"Shale gas" is the "wave of the future"
livetohike
(22,157 posts)and don't give the GOP anything.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)concessions to the GOP on budget issues and that the ACA is settled law.
simple really.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Obama can't just say he won't negotiate at all with the GOP for the rest of his term.
That would look like he's being totally unreasonable. Even if he won't give them anything anything in future negotiations, he should still say he's open to negotiations.
Thank gawd you aren't one of his advisers.
cali
(114,904 posts)to bad that people who "think" like YOU, are too often his advisors.
Of course the likes of YOU will back him up even if he makes outrageous concessions.
Mindlessness. sigh.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)It's quite amusing.
The big boys are handling this attempted GOP coup.
This ain't for the amateurs.
The likes of YOU will attack him even if he makes no concessions.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)big boy, or amateur?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)it doesn't seem to be hurting repubs too bad. And for pity's sake, it's not like the President has to say "I won't compromise".
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Obama net approval: -5%
Republican net approval: -46%
Lex
(34,108 posts)they simply cannot figure out how to get themselves out of the ditch they drove themselves into.
That's my theory.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)the longer we stay shut down the less they have to lose, as if they have anything left the President at some point will have to offer something maybe substantial, maybe not. This is a kamikaze mission that in some way may work for the republicans they may be hoping that the typically short memory of most Americans will hold true in 2016. I do not think Boehner is sweating any bullets, really. What should the president do?
kentuck
(111,110 posts)Maybe 10 weeks?
But not the Keystone Pipeline...
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)You folks (including Obama) need to wrap your heads around dealing with crazy bullies 101.
If you give them anything more than an ass whipping they keep rolling you for your lunch money and your shoes.
These fuckers only understand blood and teeth on the floor and anyone who can't grasp that needs to go sit down somewhere and contemplate how lucky and as a consequence of fortune, how soft they are.
Give them anything and you are utterly defeated and nothing but complete capitulation will end the conflict other than busting that ass or proving you will die trying to do so.
He's probably already negotiating with them through aides trying to help them get out of the mess they created, just because he's more reasonable than they are.
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)but one is complicit in the robbery when they insist on getting rolled for other folk's daily bread.
Nothing reasonable at all about rolling for bullies.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Well, of course any president should be open to negotiating anything with Congress. But not at gunpoint.
Blue Idaho
(5,054 posts)Time to stand up for what you believe in Mr. President. I understand "I'm happy to talk..." sounds reasonable and measured but this shit has gotten completely out of hand.
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)C/B: We'd like to shoot you twice in the head, and once in the groin
WH: We don't want ANYONE shot anywhere
C/B : Okay, let's compromise..we'll only shoot you once, and YOU get to choose the spot.
WH: No shooting anywhere
C/B: You are so unfair and unwilling to compromise
Blue Idaho
(5,054 posts)G_j
(40,367 posts)everyone knows that
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"As soon as that happens I am eager and ready to negotiate with Republicans on a whole range of issues: how do we create more jobs, how do we build the economy, how do we boost manufacturing," said Obama, in a visit to the Federal Emergency Management Agency on Monday to spotlight the loss of government services because of the shutdown.
...the media reporting sucks. They editorialize a "shift in tone" and cherry pick a statement to support the point.
Here is the President's speech: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023803151
There was no "shift in tone." This is what he said right leading up to that statement.
Were not going to negotiate under the threat of further harm to our economy and middle-class families. Were not going to negotiate under the threat of a prolonged shutdown until Republicans get 100 percent of what they want. Were not going to negotiate under the threat of economic catastrophe that economists and CEOs increasingly warn would result if Congress chose to default on Americas obligations.
Now, the other thing I heard over the weekend was this notion that Congress doesnt have the capacity to end this shutdown. The truth of the matter is there are enough Republican and Democratic votes in the House of Representatives right now to end this shutdown immediately, with no partisan strings attached. The House should hold that vote today. If Republicans and Speaker Boehner are saying there are not enough votes, then they should prove it. Let the bill go to the floor and lets see what happens. Just vote. Let every member of Congress vote their conscience and they can determine whether or not they want to shut the government down.
My suspicion is -- my very strong suspicion is that there are enough votes there. And the reason that Speaker Boehner hasnt called a vote on it is because he doesnt, apparently, want to see the government shutdown end at the moment unless hes able to extract concessions that don't have anything to do with the budget. Well, I think the American people simply want government to work. And theres no reason that there has to be a shutdown in order for the kinds of negotiations Speaker Boehner says he wants to proceed. Hold a vote. Call a vote right now, and lets see what happens.
The second thing Congress needs to do is to raise the debt ceiling next week so the Treasury can pay the bills that Congress has already spent. That's what most Americans do if they buy something -- if they buy a car or if they buy a house, if they put something on a credit card, they understand theyve got to pay the bills.
This is something routine. Its been done more than 40 times since Ronald Reagan was President. It has never before been used in the kind of ways that the Republicans are talking about using it right now. We can't threat an economic catastrophe in the midst of budget negotiations.
So authorize the Treasury to pay Americas bill. Pass a budget, end the government shutdown, pay our bills, and prevent an economic shutdown.
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No shift in tone. He is holding the line and the media is parsing. They and some here are desperate to see a cave.
4bucksagallon
(975 posts)I just watched the White House briefing with Jay and heard no such opening to "negotiate".
TroglodyteScholar
(5,477 posts)No "there" there.
pa28
(6,145 posts)I wish he'd say nothing at all.