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cali

(114,904 posts)
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:15 PM Oct 2013

Obama says he is open to negotiations over ACA and budget issues if

repubs pass a short term debt ceiling increase. oh and fucking rob portman is floating a plan.

<snip>

Obama's press secretary, Jay Carney, told reporters the president would be willing to accept a short-term debt ceiling increase in order to get past the potential crisis date of October 17 when the government hits the $16.7 trillion borrowing limit.

And, in what could be construed as a shift in tone, Obama said he is open to negotiations over his healthcare plan and budget issues, but only after Congress approves measures to end a week-long government shutdown and raise the U.S. debt ceiling.

"As soon as that happens I am eager and ready to negotiate with Republicans on a whole range of issues: how do we create more jobs, how do we build the economy, how do we boost manufacturing," said Obama, in a visit to the Federal Emergency Management Agency on Monday to spotlight the loss of government services because of the shutdown.

"I'm happy to talk about healthcare. I'm happy to talk about energy policy, how do we deal with our long-term fiscal situation," he said.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/07/us-usa-fiscal-idUSBRE98N11220131007


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Obama says he is open to negotiations over ACA and budget issues if (Original Post) cali Oct 2013 OP
If he opens negotiations over healthcare, he should start by City Lights Oct 2013 #1
Dream on. djean111 Oct 2013 #3
LOL. I know, right? City Lights Oct 2013 #5
Right, that'll happen . . . markpkessinger Oct 2013 #4
Not likely to happen. Mojo Electro Oct 2013 #10
We won't get progressive solutions unless we elect a progressive Democrat to the White House JDPriestly Oct 2013 #11
Which the DLC won't let happen. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #19
Do you belong to a local Democratic Club? If you do, you are part of the Democratic Party. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #40
We need a progressive House and Senate. Narraback Oct 2013 #21
And also a progressive President, Centrist Presidents are far better than far right Dragonfli Oct 2013 #51
He should start with Medicare for All, including dental, optical and hearing aids. Scuba Oct 2013 #17
I agree, but being a Centrist, he does not personally believe in leftist positions Dragonfli Oct 2013 #49
And here it comes . . . n/t markpkessinger Oct 2013 #2
here what comes? Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #13
* DJ13 Oct 2013 #28
your image didn't come through. Unless you meant to havet his image? Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #34
I actually tried to delete my post, but only the image went bye bye DJ13 Oct 2013 #37
Here comes all those posters who have been on relative hiatus BeyondGeography Oct 2013 #38
yeah. I've noticed that. Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #41
. blkmusclmachine Oct 2013 #6
As long as he maintains the "after" in that statement.... Wounded Bear Oct 2013 #7
agreed ! nt steve2470 Oct 2013 #53
This infuriates me . . . markpkessinger Oct 2013 #8
What's he doing? He's doing exactly what he said-negotiations AFTER they get back to work and pass msanthrope Oct 2013 #15
Why should he indicate ANY willingness to negotiate on the ACA? markpkessinger Oct 2013 #42
Someone took Senator Paul's advice and poll tested "no negotiation" Bok_Tukalo Oct 2013 #9
I tend to agree with you and hope we're right! Raven Oct 2013 #14
"Energy policy" = Keystone Pipeline ? kentuck Oct 2013 #12
Keystone pipeline + fracking Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #48
There's the bait. Make them bite and start the negotiations livetohike Oct 2013 #16
What's he supposed to say, that he won't negotiate with the GOP ever on anything? nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #18
at this point I think he'd be wise to say that he's already made significant cali Oct 2013 #22
+1 leftstreet Oct 2013 #24
No, it's not that simple Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #26
at this point in time, he doesn't have to say either way. cali Oct 2013 #31
The perpetually outraged keep saying Obama is going to cave on the debt ceiling and shutdown Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #35
which are you? grasswire Oct 2013 #43
spin war, too many stupid americans hate it when they hear someone won't compromise nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #29
really? because despite the conventional wisdom cali Oct 2013 #33
WaPo/ABC poll: geek tragedy Oct 2013 #36
He's going to have to give the R's some insignificant thing because Lex Oct 2013 #20
That other side of that is since they are getting the blame, rightly so too Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #23
A short term CR gets them off the hook... kentuck Oct 2013 #25
That would be foolish. Give them an iota and they'll be back in a heartbeat demanding more. TheKentuckian Oct 2013 #32
meh Lex Oct 2013 #39
A fool keeps going back to be rolled for their own lunch money TheKentuckian Oct 2013 #56
In other words he's "open" to having the government work the way it is normally supposed to jberryhill Oct 2013 #27
Short term solutions are no solutions at all. Blue Idaho Oct 2013 #30
Cruz/Boner Compromise SoCalDem Oct 2013 #45
Perfect. nt. Blue Idaho Oct 2013 #50
Energy policy = Keystone G_j Oct 2013 #44
And this is why ProSense Oct 2013 #46
Exactly mcar Oct 2013 #47
Willing to discuss is not the same as willing to "negotiate", someone is parsing what he said. 4bucksagallon Oct 2013 #55
Yea, this is nothing new.. TroglodyteScholar Oct 2013 #52
This is not a two sided argument. pa28 Oct 2013 #54

City Lights

(25,171 posts)
1. If he opens negotiations over healthcare, he should start by
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:16 PM
Oct 2013

putting single payer on the table. Start negotiations from the left, not the center. See how the repukes like that.

Mojo Electro

(362 posts)
10. Not likely to happen.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:20 PM
Oct 2013

But absolutely the right move.

It's a nice daydream. Be nice if it did happen.

It's a shame that it wont.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
11. We won't get progressive solutions unless we elect a progressive Democrat to the White House
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:21 PM
Oct 2013

and progressive Democrats to the House and Senate.

That is why I am hoping we can draft Elizabeth Warren for president.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
40. Do you belong to a local Democratic Club? If you do, you are part of the Democratic Party.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 06:04 PM
Oct 2013

You can have a voice and participate in the changes that are needed.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
51. And also a progressive President, Centrist Presidents are far better than far right
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 11:48 PM
Oct 2013

but their flaw is they view regressive and progressive views as equal and think the best solution lies in the middle. The problem with that view is often both sides do not have equally valid solutions, so more often than not, they propose half of an idea that will make things far worse be blended with an idea that will make things somewhat better, resulting in a negative net compromise rather than the implementation of a good solution to a problem.

The theory appears to be that each side is equal and the best and fairest solution is found in the center, a very flawed concept unless you think the Ideas of Paul Ryan and say Bernie Sanders are of equal merit, they clearly are not.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
17. He should start with Medicare for All, including dental, optical and hearing aids.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:23 PM
Oct 2013

The he could compromise by putting caps on the hearing aids and limiting optical to eyeglass unless contacts are medically necessary.

Other than that, he should tell them to go pound sand.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
49. I agree, but being a Centrist, he does not personally believe in leftist positions
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 08:49 PM
Oct 2013

Why would he put that on the table if he favors the for profit health denying middle man approach?

The best we can hope for is a more restrained protection racket than we had before, not much, but an improvement nonetheless.

Centrists will go left enough sometimes to introduce some regulations to somewhat restrain the beast, but a centrist would never kill the beast no matter how abusive, because they believe half of what evil wants is a fair request and they seek fairness and most of all approval from angels and demons alike.

At least we might get to keep the preexisting condition rule, but I do worry about a potential weakening of the already fairly weak protections against restricting our ability to use our insurance for actual health care via out of pocket expenses beyond one's financial reach.

As it is we are not supposed to notice or point out that a class based tier system that decides who gets the best care purposefully provides the largest out of pocket expenses for the lowest class with the least chance of having any money to spend on the added "door vigs" - Bronze plans were designed for the working poor who can seldom scrape up $100 in an emergency and so will seldom if ever get to use the insurance they will barely be able to afford.

It should have been the opposite, with the upper class gold and platinum citizens having the most out of pocket expenses as they could actually still afford to receive care.

DJ13

(23,671 posts)
37. I actually tried to delete my post, but only the image went bye bye
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 06:01 PM
Oct 2013


It was a pic of a cave, but I only meant it to explain the meaning of the post above, but I was afraid it would be misread as me saying Obama was caving, which wasnt my intent.

BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)
38. Here comes all those posters who have been on relative hiatus
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 06:02 PM
Oct 2013

because there's been nothing to bash Obama over the head with the past few weeks.

Wounded Bear

(58,693 posts)
7. As long as he maintains the "after" in that statement....
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:19 PM
Oct 2013

I don't really care. But the shutdown and the debt ceiling come first. Then, let's talk.

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
8. This infuriates me . . .
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:19 PM
Oct 2013

. . . The President has all the leverage here, and he has solid support for holding the line against the GOP. Why the fuck would he do this?

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
15. What's he doing? He's doing exactly what he said-negotiations AFTER they get back to work and pass
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:22 PM
Oct 2013

a CR and the debt ceiling. There's no change.

Reading is fundamental.

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
42. Why should he indicate ANY willingness to negotiate on the ACA?
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 06:52 PM
Oct 2013

The law has been duly passed and enacted, and upheld upon court challenge. I mean, why on earth would he provide them with that kind of opening? The only thing it accomplishes is to give Republicans a further opportunity to chip away at it. It's one thing to express a willingness to negotiate over legislation that is in the process of being crafted or debated; it is quite another to give the GOP a chance to refight a battle they already lost. It's nuts!

Bok_Tukalo

(4,323 posts)
9. Someone took Senator Paul's advice and poll tested "no negotiation"
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:20 PM
Oct 2013

This is just the administration saying the same thing they have been saying all along only nicer.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
22. at this point I think he'd be wise to say that he's already made significant
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:33 PM
Oct 2013

concessions to the GOP on budget issues and that the ACA is settled law.

simple really.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
26. No, it's not that simple
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:43 PM
Oct 2013

Obama can't just say he won't negotiate at all with the GOP for the rest of his term.

That would look like he's being totally unreasonable. Even if he won't give them anything anything in future negotiations, he should still say he's open to negotiations.

Thank gawd you aren't one of his advisers.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
31. at this point in time, he doesn't have to say either way.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:55 PM
Oct 2013

to bad that people who "think" like YOU, are too often his advisors.

Of course the likes of YOU will back him up even if he makes outrageous concessions.

Mindlessness. sigh.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
35. The perpetually outraged keep saying Obama is going to cave on the debt ceiling and shutdown
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:59 PM
Oct 2013

It's quite amusing.

The big boys are handling this attempted GOP coup.

This ain't for the amateurs.

The likes of YOU will attack him even if he makes no concessions.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
33. really? because despite the conventional wisdom
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:58 PM
Oct 2013

it doesn't seem to be hurting repubs too bad. And for pity's sake, it's not like the President has to say "I won't compromise".

Lex

(34,108 posts)
20. He's going to have to give the R's some insignificant thing because
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:30 PM
Oct 2013

they simply cannot figure out how to get themselves out of the ditch they drove themselves into.

That's my theory.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
23. That other side of that is since they are getting the blame, rightly so too
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:38 PM
Oct 2013

the longer we stay shut down the less they have to lose, as if they have anything left the President at some point will have to offer something maybe substantial, maybe not. This is a kamikaze mission that in some way may work for the republicans they may be hoping that the typically short memory of most Americans will hold true in 2016. I do not think Boehner is sweating any bullets, really. What should the president do?

TheKentuckian

(25,029 posts)
32. That would be foolish. Give them an iota and they'll be back in a heartbeat demanding more.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:56 PM
Oct 2013

You folks (including Obama) need to wrap your heads around dealing with crazy bullies 101.

If you give them anything more than an ass whipping they keep rolling you for your lunch money and your shoes.

These fuckers only understand blood and teeth on the floor and anyone who can't grasp that needs to go sit down somewhere and contemplate how lucky and as a consequence of fortune, how soft they are.

Give them anything and you are utterly defeated and nothing but complete capitulation will end the conflict other than busting that ass or proving you will die trying to do so.

Lex

(34,108 posts)
39. meh
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 06:02 PM
Oct 2013

He's probably already negotiating with them through aides trying to help them get out of the mess they created, just because he's more reasonable than they are.



TheKentuckian

(25,029 posts)
56. A fool keeps going back to be rolled for their own lunch money
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 09:38 PM
Oct 2013

but one is complicit in the robbery when they insist on getting rolled for other folk's daily bread.

Nothing reasonable at all about rolling for bullies.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
27. In other words he's "open" to having the government work the way it is normally supposed to
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:46 PM
Oct 2013

Well, of course any president should be open to negotiating anything with Congress. But not at gunpoint.

Blue Idaho

(5,054 posts)
30. Short term solutions are no solutions at all.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:54 PM
Oct 2013

Time to stand up for what you believe in Mr. President. I understand "I'm happy to talk..." sounds reasonable and measured but this shit has gotten completely out of hand.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
45. Cruz/Boner Compromise
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 07:37 PM
Oct 2013

C/B: We'd like to shoot you twice in the head, and once in the groin
WH: We don't want ANYONE shot anywhere
C/B : Okay, let's compromise..we'll only shoot you once, and YOU get to choose the spot.
WH: No shooting anywhere
C/B: You are so unfair and unwilling to compromise

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
46. And this is why
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 07:47 PM
Oct 2013
And, in what could be construed as a shift in tone, Obama said he is open to negotiations over his healthcare plan and budget issues, but only after Congress approves measures to end a week-long government shutdown and raise the U.S. debt ceiling.

"As soon as that happens I am eager and ready to negotiate with Republicans on a whole range of issues: how do we create more jobs, how do we build the economy, how do we boost manufacturing," said Obama, in a visit to the Federal Emergency Management Agency on Monday to spotlight the loss of government services because of the shutdown.

...the media reporting sucks. They editorialize a "shift in tone" and cherry pick a statement to support the point.

Here is the President's speech: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023803151

There was no "shift in tone." This is what he said right leading up to that statement.

<...>

We’re not going to negotiate under the threat of further harm to our economy and middle-class families. We’re not going to negotiate under the threat of a prolonged shutdown until Republicans get 100 percent of what they want. We’re not going to negotiate under the threat of economic catastrophe that economists and CEOs increasingly warn would result if Congress chose to default on America’s obligations.

Now, the other thing I heard over the weekend was this notion that Congress doesn’t have the capacity to end this shutdown. The truth of the matter is there are enough Republican and Democratic votes in the House of Representatives right now to end this shutdown immediately, with no partisan strings attached. The House should hold that vote today. If Republicans and Speaker Boehner are saying there are not enough votes, then they should prove it. Let the bill go to the floor and let’s see what happens. Just vote. Let every member of Congress vote their conscience and they can determine whether or not they want to shut the government down.

My suspicion is -- my very strong suspicion is that there are enough votes there. And the reason that Speaker Boehner hasn’t called a vote on it is because he doesn’t, apparently, want to see the government shutdown end at the moment unless he’s able to extract concessions that don't have anything to do with the budget. Well, I think the American people simply want government to work. And there’s no reason that there has to be a shutdown in order for the kinds of negotiations Speaker Boehner says he wants to proceed. Hold a vote. Call a vote right now, and let’s see what happens.

The second thing Congress needs to do is to raise the debt ceiling next week so the Treasury can pay the bills that Congress has already spent. That's what most Americans do if they buy something -- if they buy a car or if they buy a house, if they put something on a credit card, they understand they’ve got to pay the bills.

This is something routine. It’s been done more than 40 times since Ronald Reagan was President. It has never before been used in the kind of ways that the Republicans are talking about using it right now. We can't threat an economic catastrophe in the midst of budget negotiations.

So authorize the Treasury to pay America’s bill. Pass a budget, end the government shutdown, pay our bills, and prevent an economic shutdown.

<...>


mcar

(42,371 posts)
47. Exactly
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 07:58 PM
Oct 2013

No shift in tone. He is holding the line and the media is parsing. They and some here are desperate to see a cave.

4bucksagallon

(975 posts)
55. Willing to discuss is not the same as willing to "negotiate", someone is parsing what he said.
Tue Oct 8, 2013, 01:29 AM
Oct 2013

I just watched the White House briefing with Jay and heard no such opening to "negotiate".

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