Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:52 PM Oct 2013

What happened to "closing the tax loopholes"??

Why isn't that on the negotiating table?

It is telling that both Parties are willing to put food stamps and old folks on the table and not the huge tax loopholes for the wealthy.

What do you think about that?

13 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
What happened to "closing the tax loopholes"?? (Original Post) kentuck Oct 2013 OP
Just wondering Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #1
Here's a few... kentuck Oct 2013 #4
Thanks Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #5
How about the Loopholes that Outsource American Jobs FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #8
How about those? Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #9
Romney is an Individual that uses Corporate Loopholes FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #10
It is NOT about negotiating a solution. It -IS- about making the federal gov't dysfunctional HereSince1628 Oct 2013 #2
You are correct... kentuck Oct 2013 #3
When the RW talks about tax loopholes, they are really talking about ordinary folks mortgage CTyankee Oct 2013 #6
The 1-10% isn't happy enough. nt adirondacker Oct 2013 #7
Business as usual for the elites. nt valerief Oct 2013 #11
Carl Levin has a bill: Stop Tax Haven Abuse -- nashville_brook Oct 2013 #12
"we need to reform entitlement programs." Really? Is it because the least among us just aren't quite Dragonfli Oct 2013 #13
 

Bunnahabhain

(857 posts)
5. Thanks
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 06:16 PM
Oct 2013

I want to go on record as saying I whole heartedly back eliminating most of those items. As I know a lot of blue collar folks with cottages I would slow down on that second dwelling thing.

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
8. How about the Loopholes that Outsource American Jobs
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 06:22 PM
Oct 2013

Most Blue Collar Workers can't afford Healthcare much less a second cottage

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
10. Romney is an Individual that uses Corporate Loopholes
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 06:27 PM
Oct 2013

Or are you just finding that out

You really need to educate yourself on these issues

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
2. It is NOT about negotiating a solution. It -IS- about making the federal gov't dysfunctional
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:58 PM
Oct 2013

The tea-party was organized around hatred of the dysfunctionality of DC. It is IMPORTANT to make DC dysfunctional for the 2014 elections.

And, it doesn't -really- hurt the goals of the super-rich who see DC as limiting their freedom to rape and pillage.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
3. You are correct...
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 06:09 PM
Oct 2013

But it doesn't hurt to remind people of the loopholes that are benefiting the wealthiest.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
6. When the RW talks about tax loopholes, they are really talking about ordinary folks mortgage
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 06:18 PM
Oct 2013

interest deductions, also deductions for health care costs. And I'll bet they consider the EITC to be a loophole, too!

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
12. Carl Levin has a bill: Stop Tax Haven Abuse --
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 07:58 PM
Oct 2013

Here's the press release from Carl Levin -- contact your Senators and urge them to sign-on and support this bill.

Ending tax-haven loopholes is smart way to bring down deficit
Author: Sen. Carl Levin

09-20-2013

Back in March when Congress failed to reach a deficit reduction agreement, we triggered budget sequestration – the unprioritized, across-the-board cuts that have hurt families, national security, life-saving research, students and seniors, and, according to the Congressional Budget Office, cut as much as a full percentage point from economic growth.

Our economy can’t afford that kind of damage. And yet, sequestration continues, and it will continue unless we act.

A balanced, bipartisan deficit reduction package is the only alternative. Balance requires three elements: First, cuts in discretionary spending – not mindless, meat ax sequestration, but targeted, prioritized cuts. Second, we need to reform entitlement programs. And third, we must add federal revenue.

Which brings me to my least-favorite four letter words: “loop” and “hole.”

The United States hemorrhages hundreds of billions of dollars in tax revenue each year to a relatively small group of multinational companies. These large, profitable companies are headquartered here, they do business here, and they benefit from the safety and stability of living and working in the United States. Yet they use an array of complex arrangements involving offshore tax loopholes to avoid paying their taxes. The Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, which I chair, has spent more than a decade examining these loopholes and the damage they do.

Michigan’s working families and small business owners don’t have an army of lawyers and lobbyists to concoct ever-more-creative tax gimmicks. So they’re left to pick up the burden left when our biggest, most profitable companies use tactics like these:

Microsoft’s U.S parent company sold intellectual property rights to a foreign subsidiary, then licensed them back, shifting profits from products that were developed, made and sold in the United States to an offshore tax haven and paying almost no U.S. taxes on those profits.
Hewlett Packard, which socked billions of dollars in revenue away in offshore subsidiaries, managed to bring huge sums back to the United States, which should have triggered a big tax bill, using a series of short-term loans from two offshore subsidiaries to get around rules that require tax payments when money comes back to the United States.
Apple managed what we consider the Holy Grail of offshore tax avoidance, setting up subsidiaries, which hold a large part of the $100 billion in cash Apple holds offshore, that are literally invisible for tax purposes. These subsidiaries are incorporated in Ireland but controlled from the United States. Because U.S. tax law bases tax residency on the place of incorporation, and Irish tax law bases tax residency on where a corporation is controlled, Apple says these subsidiaries are tax resident nowhere and therefore paid almost no corporate income tax to any country. For tax purposes, they’re ghost companies.
We should close these loopholes on principle, regardless of deficits or sequestration. They’re simply unfair. But surely now, with sequestration doing so much harm, we should close these loopholes and use the revenue we recover as part of the foundation of a balanced deficit reduction plan.

That’s why on Sept. 19 I introduced the Stop Tax Haven Abuse Act, a comprehensive effort to end these loopholes and gimmicks and bring more fairness to the tax code. This bill, cosponsored by Sens. Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island, Mark Begich of Alaska and Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, would tackle an array of offshore corporate tax abuses.

It would end tax breaks that encourage businesses to move jobs and operations offshore. It would end the legal fiction that allows corporations to avoid U.S. tax on income they route through offshore subsidiaries that are nothing more than a post office box, or that allow multinationals to avoid taxes by literally “checking a box” on their tax forms to shield offshore subsidiaries from taxes.

The provisions of our bill would, according to official estimates, reduce the deficit by about $220 billion. If we used that revenue as one part of a balanced deficit reduction plan, we could avoid six years or more of sequestration. And the public supports that plan: Last year, a poll showed that 75 percent of Americans support closing offshore tax loopholes to reduce the deficit.

We have plenty of legitimate disagreements here in Washington. But all of us should be able to agree that these offshore tax loopholes are unfair. All of us should see the opportunity before us: to end these gimmicks, relieve our economy of the burden of sequestration, and relieve our families and small businesses from the tax burden a handful of large, profitable companies have dumped on them.

- See more at: http://www.levin.senate.gov/newsroom/in_the_news/article/ending-tax-haven-loopholes-is-smart-way-to-bring-down-deficit/?section=alltypes#sthash.b2CcRVdm.dpuf

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
13. "we need to reform entitlement programs." Really? Is it because the least among us just aren't quite
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 08:19 PM
Oct 2013

suffering enough?

I read about this "need" at thirdway.org and in all of the other usual right wing think tanks influenced by Pete Peterson, but remain unconvinced that the poor, elderly, and disabled trying desperately to subsist on earned benefits are the cause of our EMERGENCY!!!! status budget woes (which only ever appear to be an issue when folks want to cut from the least well to do among us).

I hate that poor hatred has now become a two party battle cry.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»What happened to "cl...