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sheshe2

(83,940 posts)
Wed Oct 9, 2013, 08:49 PM Oct 2013

The Kochs Can't Control the Monster They Created

The billionaire conservatives join the ranks of business interests trying to rein in the GOP's base, but it has turned into an unstoppable force.

The government shutdown and looming threat of default have pitted House conservatives against the Republican Party's traditional allies in the business community. Populist Tea Partiers driven by ideology care little for the pleas for sanity from banking lobbyists and the Chamber of Commerce; indeed, they wear their disregard for Big Business as a badge of honor.

Where does that leave the Koch brothers? The billionaire industrialists have funded a sprawling empire of libertarian-conservative activism; they've been dubbed the bankrollers of the Tea Party. Liberals frequently accuse them of seeking deregulatory policies to further their company's financial interests. But what happens when the Tea Party's ideological warfare threatens to plunge the U.S. economy into chaos?

The answer: The Kochs appear to be distancing themselves from the movement they've helped to create.
In a letter released Wednesday, Koch Industries' chief lobbyist, Philip Ellender, says the company does not favor the House's push to defund Obamacare as a condition of keeping the government open. Koch Industries would prefer to see Congress focus on fiscal issues: "We believe that Congress should, at a minimum, keep to sequester-level spending guidelines, and develop a plan for more significant and widespread spending reductions in the future," Ellender writes.

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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/the-kochs-cant-control-the-monster-they-created/280435/

Hey Charlie and you too David, you built this and you damn well own it. You just thought you could toss all your money around and buy what you pleased. You are used to getting what you want. You want to rule the world and you bought and paid for your little corner of it. You bought a Tea Party and now they are completely out of your control. You got a box of matches and a few cans of gasoline...then BOOM! Your little fire turned into a raging out of control inferno!

I guess that you never heard that when you buy a toy that you should never include the batteries. Your Zombie Hoard has come to life.
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The Kochs Can't Control the Monster They Created (Original Post) sheshe2 Oct 2013 OP
Their investment portfolio must be taking a hit. bklyncowgirl Oct 2013 #1
I agree, bklyncowgirl. n/t Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #7
Exactly! And, my son took his money out of the Cha Oct 2013 #10
The tea party is an ungodly mix of racists, isolationists, general societal haters, stingy bluestate10 Oct 2013 #12
You hit the nail on the head, it's both! sheshe2 Oct 2013 #16
"Teahadists can be reined in" Iliyah Oct 2013 #22
That's true Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2013 #2
So, Dr. Frankenstein, how's that little experiment working out for ya? The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2013 #3
My grandfather's work was doo doo Fumesucker Oct 2013 #9
Exactly gopiscrap Oct 2013 #4
I think it's all working out fine for the Koch Bros. They own enough SDjack Oct 2013 #5
Why in the world would we suddenly start believing anything the Koch brothers say? enough Oct 2013 #6
The orginial story of the genie in the bottle was not some blue-fuzzy-wuzzy-cuddly entity. . . Paula Sims Oct 2013 #8
Thanks for the report, she.. Cha Oct 2013 #11
You got that right Cha! nt sheshe2 Oct 2013 #17
Funny thing about a Golem TeamPooka Oct 2013 #13
Pandora's Box sheshe2 Oct 2013 #18
And, there it is. Stunning graphic, she.. denoting quite vividly how so Cha Oct 2013 #28
Boner must feel very confused right now. n/t Bonhomme Richard Oct 2013 #14
Was he ever anything else. sheshe2 Oct 2013 #20
They're Koched (I pronounce it "cook") tofuandbeer Oct 2013 #15
And, they financed the teakochs.. guess Cha Oct 2013 #19
LOL~ sheshe2 Oct 2013 #21
:D tofuandbeer Oct 2013 #25
Bwahahaha they found out the monster is contolling them, gee who could've foreseen that! nt Raine Oct 2013 #23
I don't think they want the monster controlled. They want the Government gone. haele Oct 2013 #24
When I see their tea party puppets calling for a tax hike on the super rich... Loudly Oct 2013 #26
The mechanism that makes this clockwork golem function, Volaris Oct 2013 #29
Oh yes! Your lips, their ears. Loudly Oct 2013 #30
I'd like to think that's the case, but I'm not convinced IkeRepublican Oct 2013 #27
Their father co-founded the John Birch Society. emulatorloo Oct 2013 #32
Chomsky compared it to when German industrialists wanted to use the Nazis in the late Weimar years Emit Oct 2013 #31

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
1. Their investment portfolio must be taking a hit.
Wed Oct 9, 2013, 08:52 PM
Oct 2013

Either that or their getting a whole boatload of complaints from the other one percenters at the "Club" whose investments are tanking. It'll be interesting to see if the Teahadists can be reined in.

Cha

(297,764 posts)
10. Exactly! And, my son took his money out of the
Wed Oct 9, 2013, 09:16 PM
Oct 2013

stock market.. I can't imagine he's the only one. He said he should have taken it out last week.

They built those teaKochs.. never thought I'd see the day they disfreakingowned them.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
12. The tea party is an ungodly mix of racists, isolationists, general societal haters, stingy
Wed Oct 9, 2013, 09:20 PM
Oct 2013

business people that don't want to help pay their way, and people that have no clue of what government does. Good luck to the Kochs as they attempt to control the monster they created. Rich people should take a lesson from this, if they destitute Americans, the rich will lose and on top of that have their possessions and possibly their lives taken, they won't be able to run and hide out in Europe, The Americas, Africa, ect because they have impoverished people in those lands also, so their choice will be the faces that they want to brutalize them.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
22. "Teahadists can be reined in"
Wed Oct 9, 2013, 11:57 PM
Oct 2013

One of their monsters, Crazed Cruz is still going after Obamacare and did a poll thru a extremely right wing mag.

I think the Koch Brothers have lost control of the monsters. Plus, their bullshit is coming to haunt them.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,273 posts)
2. That's true
Wed Oct 9, 2013, 08:55 PM
Oct 2013

The Teabaggers have invaded the country club and are scuffing the floor up with their hoverrounds.

SDjack

(1,448 posts)
5. I think it's all working out fine for the Koch Bros. They own enough
Wed Oct 9, 2013, 09:04 PM
Oct 2013

commodities to control the world when the major economies crash and WW-III is fought. They are insane and need to be stopped now.

enough

(13,262 posts)
6. Why in the world would we suddenly start believing anything the Koch brothers say?
Wed Oct 9, 2013, 09:07 PM
Oct 2013

It's no problem for them to say they don't want this or that, and then fund whatever it is to the hilt at the same time.

To believe a word from them or their organizations is to have drunk the Roundup.

Paula Sims

(877 posts)
8. The orginial story of the genie in the bottle was not some blue-fuzzy-wuzzy-cuddly entity. . .
Wed Oct 9, 2013, 09:11 PM
Oct 2013

it's about an evil entity that ends up controlling its "master". That's what happened here -- they thought they were controlling the genie (Disney version) and it's just the opposite. Many myths (or truths for those who choose to believe) is the same thing that happened to Alister Crowley, and perhaps King Solomon (many versions of that story).

It's the internal evil that ends up controlling the external entity.

Cha

(297,764 posts)
28. And, there it is. Stunning graphic, she.. denoting quite vividly how so
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 02:37 AM
Oct 2013

many of us are feeling about this tea party.

Time for a quote from Mark Twain~

[font size=lg]"Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear.”
― Mark Twain
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sheshe2

(83,940 posts)
20. Was he ever anything else.
Wed Oct 9, 2013, 11:46 PM
Oct 2013

What a useless feeble man. When I think that he is a few steps away from holding the highest office, I shudder.

haele

(12,682 posts)
24. I don't think they want the monster controlled. They want the Government gone.
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 12:45 AM
Oct 2013

They think they have enough money to buy loyal sycophants and security people. If they can get rid of Government for the people, they will have Government for sale (even worse than it is now...) Without regulation, with all these resources that can be bought, used up, and thrown away. No Government to fine them, no Government to bring up charges when people get killed and wide swaths of flora and fauna in the countryside dies off because the water and earth are polluted.

Someone else can come around behind them and put in enough fill dirt to cover the slag pits, and maybe plant some pretty trees and Monsanto-developed pollution resistant sod, so in ten years or so, it could be turned into a nice little "Bible-Land Garden of Eden" park to sent the servant class off to for a little recreation.

They're angling to set themselves up as Princes, and America to be like a collection of medieval Italian principalities. If they have to destroy it, or convince enough under-educated, fearful people that they'd be better off with natural born leaders than elected leaders, they will feel they're justified to set Chaos in motion. After all, the Kochs are very, very wealthy off the backs of working people and benefits granted them by taxpayers, and that's just something theses "Princes" can't admit to themselves. They're just as much Teabaggers as the most rabid Faux-watching retiree who's afraid of "Foreigners", "Druggie Pimp Gang-bangers", "Commies","Anarchists" and "Atheists".

Haele











 

Loudly

(2,436 posts)
26. When I see their tea party puppets calling for a tax hike on the super rich...
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 01:21 AM
Oct 2013

then I will know that the monster has turned the table.

Volaris

(10,274 posts)
29. The mechanism that makes this clockwork golem function,
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 02:41 AM
Oct 2013

is the disconnect among the Tea Party puppets that says someday they WILL be the super rich. As soon as they figure out that isn't going to be the case, they (almost invariably) start self-identifying as Liberals.

IkeRepublican

(406 posts)
27. I'd like to think that's the case, but I'm not convinced
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 01:31 AM
Oct 2013

Rant ahead.

This dynamic duo molded by their communist father are distancing themselves because, like always at the 11th hour, the media got off their behinds and are giving away the store. To think that they are worried about their portfolios or, more importantly - that they won't be back - is a terribly misguided assumption.

These two scoundrels are interested in one thing - power. And they don't care what it takes, how much it costs, how much they get caught or how much they wreck our country in order to get it. They are corporate communists - wanting to set up a state to where they rule, own all of the media under the thumb of that possible state and treat us exactly like citizens of the old Soviet.

Simply because they claim to be "for freedom" doesn't mean they are. As we've seen with Republicans over the past 30 years, what they claim to want is almost certainly the direct opposite.

Others may call this scenario as fascism, not communism. Either way - they want to own the state. And that is why they will always be a major menace to American freedom, democracy and rule of law.

As Ike once said, "Remain vigilant, but never be hysterical."

Emit

(11,213 posts)
31. Chomsky compared it to when German industrialists wanted to use the Nazis in the late Weimar years
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 02:47 AM
Oct 2013
( ... ) The main point to look at is the split within the Republican Party. The Republican establishment, and Wall Street, and the bankers, and the corporate executives and so on, they don't want this. They don't want it at all. It's the part of the base that is mobilized that wants it. And they're finding it hard to control that base. There's a reason why they have a collection of near crazies as the base. Over the past 30 or 40 years, both political parties have drifted to the right. Same thing's happened in Canada, incidentally. This is all part of the whole neoliberal shift in the economy. (...)

There are big, extremely irrational parts of the society, and they have now been mobilized politically by the Republican establishment, hoping that these people could be an electoral base to keep them in power, but on the assumption that they'd be able to control them. And that's turning out not to be easy. You actually saw it in the last primaries if you were watching. The Republican Primaries were quite interesting. The establishment had its candidate, Romney, a kind of a Wall Street lawyer and investor, and they wanted him in. But the base didn't want him. And every time a candidate came up from the base, that is with popular support, the Republican establishment went into high gear to destroy them with massive propaganda attack ads and so on. It was one after another, each one crazier than the last. And the Republican establishment is afraid of them, they don't want them. So they were able to keep them under control and get their own candidate in. But they're losing control of the base, and that's a deep dilemma for the Republican Party.

Actually, I'm sorry to say it has some historical analogs. It's kind of reminiscent of what happened in Germany in the late Weimar years. German industrialists wanted to use the Nazis, who were a relatively small group, as a battering ram against the labour movement and the left. They thought they control them but it turns out they were wrong. They couldn't control them. I'm not saying that will happen here, it's quite a different set of circumstances, but something similar is taking place. The Republican establishment, the mainstream corporate financial wealth, is getting to a point where it can't control the base it's mobilized.


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