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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt's time for Democrats to embrace the shutdown tactic and raise the stakes
We accepted your sequestration funding levels, and you demanded more! You shut down the government demanding more! More! MOAR!
Well here's some more for you:
How about a 10% raise in SS, that might let Gramma have hamburger helper instead of friskies once a week.
How about we trade the corporate farm subsidy you insisted on for the food stamps you cut to preserve the corporate giveaway.
How about a top tax rate of like 30% that's unavoidable? Or better yet, peg it to where you land on the income distribution scale. You burden is half of your percentile, so if you are at the 50% your tax is 25% If you are at 90% your tax is 45%. No loopholes.
I'm sure we can think up many many more things to add. Maybe add one or two a day.
Protalker
(418 posts)What would Hillary do?
Buddha_of_Wisdom
(373 posts)She is a DLC loyalist and I do not trust her.
We are sick of the Third Way shit, and we know third wayers philosophy is failing BAD.
Ganja Ninja
(15,953 posts)They should be dictating the terms of re-opening the government. And a tax increase on the richest 1% would be just the bitter medicine the GOP needs to teach them a lesson. Nothing too big just a percent or two but enough to send a message.
"You get nothing! You lose! Good day Sir!"
calimary
(81,514 posts)AND no further monkeying with voters' rights! GET OUT of women's gynecologists offices - AND all of our bedrooms!
Don't get me started...
eqfan592
(5,963 posts)Hyperbolic nonsense like that is what costs us a lot of votes.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)I've known several folks that each time they seem to be coming around to the dems side they get put off by garbage like this.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)If they're put off by garbage in general, they STILL shouldn't be voting for Republicans, as that's just about all they are capable of producing.
eqfan592
(5,963 posts)We aren't entitled to anybodies votes, they must be earned. And when the party constantly takes positions unsupported by evidence on an issue important to them, it calls everything that party stands for into question in their minds.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)most people are ok with some from of gun control.
Buddha_of_Wisdom
(373 posts)but let's put it away... or change it to Ted Cruz
eqfan592
(5,963 posts)But haven't figured it out yet. Lol
Of course they are massacre machines- what else are they for???
eqfan592
(5,963 posts)You know the things that 99.999999999% of them are used for?
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)And their use as self-defense is mythological in nature.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)When you pry it from my cold dead hands!
Have you seen my stapler?
eqfan592
(5,963 posts)...then you're point might have validity. The first statement is too nonsensical to be worthy of response.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)And you claim they're useful for self-defense, not I. You prove it!
eqfan592
(5,963 posts)Your unwillingness to do your own research is not a point against me. And unless you are trying to claim that these firearms aren't regularly used safely for target practice, then there is nothing nonsensical about my statement.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)it's easily discoverable. Do your own research.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)anything else yes not this.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)TekGryphon
(430 posts)I would have loved to have seen Democrats on TV pushing back on the Boehner's negotiation cries by pointing out that we're not asking for universally popular legislation like tax hikes for the top 2%, universal background checks, and closing of tax loopholes before we re-open the government.
I'd like them to be able to end each of those conversations with "But we're not demanding those universally popular legislations. We're simply asking Republicans not to hold the nation hostage with universally unpopular legislation. "
Remind the public which party has populist goals and, at the same time, remind them which party has the adults.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)ashling
(25,771 posts)I am composing my ltte as we speak ..
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)the media has fomented hostility towards the Dem party. the people in certain areas of the country(where I live), still believe the media is liberal. there is no reasoning with these people, even if it seems they are intelligent, the idea of supporting Democrats just isn't acceptable to them. it makes no sense. brainwashed? the water??
no, it's faux and co.(meaning almost all of mainstream media)
go figure
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)That's just a fact. A little recognized fact.
allan01
(1,950 posts)1: get rid of the f22 osprey peice of shit fighter plane
2 :reduce all flag officers to pre or cold war levels
3: have the rich pay for iraq and afganastan , ( unfunded wars )
4: tet rid of the navys alumninum ship.
5: give us a true budget in stead of a cr.(contuniuing resolution)
6: cut one ford class aircraft carrier a year,
7: cut one verginia attact sub per year.
even if we get rid of everything , there will still be a deficiet . why? , because of unpaid war reperations .and the shear weight of doing businness, oh and we blame the poor for that .
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)Wouldn't that be World War II?
I agree with the principle, however, that our military is too large and too top-heavy.
eqfan592
(5,963 posts)The v22 osprey is a very different aircraft.
4bucksagallon
(975 posts)on this. I will drag the whole herd of effing Republicans over with me. Eff the Republicans and the effing Koch's. Screw them all. I hope this means the end of the Republican Party.
allan01
(1,950 posts)im on ssi, ill grab the horses and the lariots . while we are at it . lets get that tratior rove as welland thanks for your millitary service .
CanonRay
(14,119 posts)How about a national gun registry with mandatory background checks on all sales? Why do only they get to demand shit? If we're gonna play extortion politics, let's play...I'm fucking tired of going backwards on threat at a time.
Efilroft Sul
(3,582 posts)You know they're going to refuse any of our demands, so you might as well make one that turns out for the best.
City Lights
(25,171 posts)I could go for trading the ACA for single payer or medicare for all.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)medicare for all is the way to go.
But we know the "right's" true goal is not to save money or they wouldn't have recklessly waged two unnecessary wars while slashing taxes.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)Have Obama say that he's going to order the Treasury to mint a $2 trillion coin. Anything left over will go towards a stimulus package of upgrading our national infrastructure (bridges, airports, roads, railways, water, electrical, etc), investing in green technology and helping homeowners who are underwater due to shady banking practices.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)or something
safeinOhio
(32,729 posts)no cap on earnings for SS tax, 5 cent tax on stock share trade, first 20K of interest, dividends and capital gains is tax free, after that it's regular income and banks can't gamble with deposits. I'll bet we can think of more too.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)energy industry subsidies the righties talk like you want to strangle a kitten.
Great suggestions, fellow Ohioan.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)that even the progressive mind set has largely decided its just not realistic to kick the living shit out of the Republicans for what they've been doing for years, knowing full well that having lost nothing again, they'll be back running the same extortion racket the day after their latest manufactured disaster is resolved.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)And stop voter suppression.
flamingdem
(39,331 posts)If only..
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hootinholler
(26,449 posts)It's called progressive taxation. Might I recommend Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations to explain?
I hope you stay long enough to learn.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Instead of the incessant pro forma sessions?
Tumbulu
(6,292 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)and quite frankly it drives me nuts (a shorter trip on some days!). Somebody should be screaming from the rafters over this crap! They are preventing him from getting his judges confirmed, judges that are sorely needed in many circuits.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)1. Medicare for all - ie: single payer
2. Gun control laws - assault weapons ban reinstated, etc.
3. Outlaw religion
Should be easy enough to get those attached to any CR.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)that is all.
BelgianMadCow
(5,379 posts)you sound like you have a dream. Quick, before it's illegal.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)Obama is totally right to ask for a clean resolution, demanding our own stuff be added on would only feed into the "both sides do it" narrative. I do however think we need to make big demands in the negotations that Obama promised after the government reopens. I think we should ask for taxes on the richest 1% restored to Reagan era levels, add a public option to Obamacare, a new carbon tax to be instituted, an increase in the minimum wage, and a cut to Pentagon spending.
If the Republicans want to negotiate then can not expect that we are only going to negotiate on their wish list, we have to have a wish list of our own to discuss. Again however, that wishlist needs to come after the government is reopened not before. We need a clean CR bill first.