No exceptions.

There is most likely no chance they will accept it.

This has already been settled.

Not by them, it lets their asses off the hook...but by us.

I already know they are crazy as hell but this. Don't they know they are hurting besides other, their own constituents. Do they really care, probably not.

Vote these assholes out!

Depression and acceptance are just around the corner.

My money is on he will.

Our President is un-breakable. I don't know how he stands the stress. Sometimes he seems super human.

The Dems could argue that a longer-term hike would be better for the economy and the short-term hike would create too much uncertainty with our creditors.

Why? It'll be good for the president and they oppose any measure that helps him or his legacy.

Penned by rookie representative Mark Meadows. It spells out:

With no strings

If the GOP caucus accepts it, will Obama choose government employees or the investor class. We'll see.

...they lose a major "chip" in their blackmail game when they can't destroy the economy in exchange for any delays on the AHCA. This will be viewed in wingnut world as a major cave...and we may start to see some knives come out on their side. The problem is when the investors go down the pain is far greater on the rest of us...I know too many people who have just found jobs and begun to restore their lives and a debt default would put them back on their backs. While I want an end to the government shut down, I still want the administration to stand firm and not negotiate...let this hang more and more upon the teabaggers necks so it hurts them electorally next year...

Cuts in social programs even deeper & more far-reaching than the ones just made.

The poor & working folks of this country would not survive that, either. Better to leave it shut down until they can come up with a decent fucking piece of legislation, IMHO.

Which will be true. Americans want things to work smoothly in Congress--not all of this crap.

All they have to do is not agree to anything for 6 weeks and the next fight will have the Ds in a far worse position.

Also, regardless of anything else, ANY compromise is still one extracted under threat! They're not gonna get Obamacare and I sure as hell hope chained CPI or the like aren't on the table. But something has to be, and Obama will designate it "time to negotiate" if this deal is accepted.

(The teabaggers won't call this a win, but they're stupid.)

They are trying to get a long term CR and debt ceiling increase in place but Republicans want to keep going through thes crises over and over again.

And who will do the pointing? Will they do a better job of pointing than they did after the previous debt-limit hostage-taking?

Of attrition.

Take a look at the numbers in 1999 before you get too confident of winning the war of attrition.

Unless every Democrat who steps in front of a camera breaks out of their comfort zone and points out that the Republicans have ceded control of their party to radical ideologues -- every time -- then the pointing out doesn't get done, and it all becomes about "Washington dysfunction" again.

Is the Dem party viewed favorably by majority? No, but some of that is just due to the general gridlock created primarily by Republicans.

This is the time it is dawning on Americans what's really going on. It is the House GOP's Katrina moment.

It would, however, give the soon to be homeless and helpless time to prepare for never getting another dime.

Which is exactly the plan the GOP is talking about now, and how much fun it will be to have a 'managed catastrophe.'

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023820816#post1

And exactly what the traitors want. Shut down the government and let the Kochs and friends fund the few things that look really bad...you know, leaving dead soldiers on the tarmac.

sorry to say. Though I'm not sure they will leave the government shut down.

I don't think 6 weeks is a good deal though. The Ryan budget would have increased the debt by ~$1 Trillion. I think we should use that fact as our compromise point. It also gives (D)s a chance to make that fact known to the public.

Then when they turn it down we can argue that they won't compromise! Bwahahah!!!

If we stand firm on a clean CR and long-term ceiling hike, we will get it.

so that they can remake it in their own image.


Don't kid yourself. These people are not rational. Evolution, climate change, even things like rape.. they have proven themselves to be insane. Expecting rational behavior from irrational people is in itself, irrational.

And, if forced, he will fracture the GOP and bring it to a vote without them.

Are you sure he isn't going to wait for the discharge petition so he can claim to have held his ground?

The 'other' Repubs are being held hostage too, through threats of primary challenges financed by the Cock Bros.

The problem is tha Boner is afraid to hold an actual vote, because it would probably pass under Dem terms, with some Repub backing.

Otherwise he will be held responsible for any debt ceiling problems that happen. He still doesn't lose his position on the CR/shutdown, and people still will pressure the Repubs on that issue since they will already have shown they can capitulate on an issue.

However, unless Bonehead allows the full house to vote on it, I don't see it happening, since the T-pers and fellow travelers in the Repub caucus won't allow it.

POTUS cannot take the bait. Boehner is offering a piece of shit and an invitation to the same old drama in 6 weeks.

That's a call POTUS should not return.

And if he vetoes a bill he supported in the Senate, he'll look dumber than the House Repubs.

When did I miss this?

If so, why has he scheduled a vote on a year-long extension for tomorrow? Serving the GOP dinner after ice cream and candy?

They are proposing an extension of the debt ceiling alone.

It's a piece of poo that should be promptly flushed down the nearest toilet.

Only when the they see their poll numbers do they start to panic.

Pass a clean bill for on the budget and raising the debt ceiling period

The consequence of a debt ceiling not being raised will put the country, and world perhaps into a depression. Is the fight worth it?

Maybe so

Not this crap all over again in November. No, No, No.

aren't revenue enhancements part of the discussion?
NO F'ing Deal without them.

I'd rather see Obama take a chance with impeachment if worse comes to worse than drag this thing on.

It's currently Congress's prerogative to raise it by whatever levels it wants

Terrible deal.

Bad deal, unless it's a year, no strings.

To stand strong NO DEAL NO WAY NEVER

Six weeks would be around Thanksgiving. Right....Congress goes into recess then and then we are facing the December holidays.

Congress must re-open the government with a clean CR and must raise the debt ceiling with no strings attached

11:26 AM – Today
White House Rejects GOP Idea To Keep Government Closed Through November
Moments after House Republican leaders floated their latest plan for resolving the budget mess on Capitol Hill -- raise the debt ceiling for six weeks but leave the government shutdown in the meantime -- the White House was already shooting it down.

From a White House official:

The President has made clear that he will not pay a ransom for Congress doing its job and paying our bills. It is better for economic certainty for Congress to take the threat of default off the table for as long as possible, which is why we support the Senate Democrats’ efforts to raise the debt limit for a year with no extraneous political strings attached. The President also believes that the Republican Leadership in the House should allow for an up or down vote on the clean continuing resolution passed by the Senate that would pass with a bipartisan majority to reopen the government. Once Republicans in Congress act to remove the threat of default and end this harmful government shutdown, the President will be willing to negotiate on a broader budget agreement to create jobs, grow the economy, and put our fiscal house in order. While we are willing to look at any proposal Congress puts forward to end these manufactured crises, we will not allow a faction of the Republicans in the House to hold the economy hostage to its extraneous and extreme political demands. Congress needs to pass a clean debt limit increase and a funding bill to reopen the government.

Thanks for posting.

"The President has made clear that he will not pay a ransom for Congress doing its job and paying our bills."

both a clean CR and a debt ceiling boost that lasts through 2016.

There are a list of demands that come with it.
And of course they will hold the threat of a November repeat of this whole debacle over Obama's head.

It's a ridiculous proposal that solves nothing except a few weeks of debt ceiling and guarantees the world financial unease will continue for a minimum of a month more.

Agreed. k&r

-Laelth

But we can appreciate that they are making some minimal progress on the debt limit. They need to stop playing games and open up our government.

Put the fuckin' CR to a vote...........

Its being done just to keep wall street banksters happy.

"Word is Boehner will propose a temporary raise of the debt ceiling (6 whole weeks!) with no strings, but will not bring up a clean CR, leaving the government shut down. "

They are prohibiting any action to raise the debt ceiling after the period expires.

House Republicans unveil their debt limit ransom note
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023821730

Don't give in now, Mr. President.

This is one of those instances where there must be a zero sum situation. We win. They lose. No saving face for Boehner & co. No nice words allowing Boehner to retain power. The result has to be a complete 100% win for President Obama. Otherwise the anarchists will return us to this position year in and year out.

And they must be severely punished.

We cannot let assaults on our very Constitution go unpunished.

we're done for.

I really feel this is the LAST chance for a D to stand tall.

That is all.

Problem with that is the stock market so far hasn't really even blinked over the shutdown or the impending debt ceiling deadline. So who are they protecting?

then they can get on with their agenda: impeach the President. It's coming. Just look at those crazy faces.