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penultimate

(1,110 posts)
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 01:18 PM Oct 2013

So I was discussing the ACA with a rather conservative person the other day...

I was more or less just trying to explain it without the typical Fox News-like propaganda that she usually gets. She would spout the normal anti-obamacare points that we've all heard a millions times, and for most of them I would just ask her to explain why she thinks that and explain how that would work. Much of what she said was simply based on ignorance of the law. She literally had no clue how it works or what it does....yet she was totally against it.

Anyway, that process continued for awhile, but then she said something that kinda made me rather sick. She said that she'x worried that more people getting insurance would lead to her having to wait longer to see a doctor. Now that may or may not be true. There may be some instances in which the higher demand does cause some waits, but I don't accept that it will be the norm. After all, the conservatives love to say it's only 15% of Americans who are uninsured, and that's why ACA isn't needed.... But even if it did cause some delays due to demand, that would eventually be filled by more supply being created. That's usually how things work, right? So I accepted her point that it would cause more demand and possibly lead to a wait. But then I pointed out that she just said that she would rather her neighbor(or whoever) not get any treatment because she doesn't want the possibility of a wait. That she is saying that she is willing to let other people die of treatable diseases because she doesn't want to have a chance that she may have a wait. She pretty much shut down at that point and didn't carry on with the conversation.

Yesterday I overhear her discussing the ACA with another conservative and she was spouting the same crap she was saying to me the day before. The thing is that during our discussion she didn't offer any rebuttals to anything I said. In fact she agreed with some of the points I made. I just don't understand what is going through this lady's head.

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So I was discussing the ACA with a rather conservative person the other day... (Original Post) penultimate Oct 2013 OP
Everything you said went THROUGH her head, elleng Oct 2013 #1
Selfishness and racism most likely. That is what is going through their heads. LiberalLoner Oct 2013 #2
In her case I don't think it's racism, but for sure it's a sick selfishness. penultimate Oct 2013 #7
Yes, I was seeing a racist subtext, too frazzled Oct 2013 #8
she is brainwashed nt LiberalEsto Oct 2013 #3
This right wing complaint has been around alsame Oct 2013 #4
It's the most disgusting thing I've ever heard... penultimate Oct 2013 #9
The wealthy, privileged elite don't alsame Oct 2013 #17
Well, you, I kinda see why the wealthy elite might feel that way. I don't agree with them, but I see penultimate Oct 2013 #19
my answer eShirl Oct 2013 #14
You would think these alsame Oct 2013 #18
Beleif is far more powerful than fact to these goobers Mopar151 Oct 2013 #5
If right wing media didn't fill her empty head with lies and half truths in loaded language, Warpy Oct 2013 #6
What's weird is that in everyday things she's actually a nice lady... penultimate Oct 2013 #10
Exactly. She went home and listened to Pox and then had a good night's sleep Warpy Oct 2013 #13
probably a defense mechanism kicked in eShirl Oct 2013 #15
Many of these people already get care at the ER DireStrike Oct 2013 #11
Another example of the type of people attracted to the republican party......... wandy Oct 2013 #12
I've wondered about that one too treestar Oct 2013 #16
I wonder how they'd react if somehow some company came up with a way to offer penultimate Oct 2013 #20
When you talk to someone like that, please throw in words like pnwmom Oct 2013 #21

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
8. Yes, I was seeing a racist subtext, too
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 01:30 PM
Oct 2013

I can bet she's mostly concerned that a person of color will sit next to her in her doctor's waiting room. I sincerely doubt she wants to let her next-door neighbor go without care. She imagines (wrongly) that everyone who will be getting insurance through this program is either black or latino--someone from another neighborhood, you know.

alsame

(7,784 posts)
4. This right wing complaint has been around
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 01:28 PM
Oct 2013

for a while. Charles Gibson brought in up in 2009.

GIBSON: But let me ask a basic question, which may sound silly and naive. But we've got 46 million people who are uninsured in this country.

OBAMA: Right.

GIBSON: And one of your goals, one of the goals of health care reform is to get those 46 million people insured.

OBAMA: Right.

GIBSON: We only have X number of doctors in the country. If you add 46 million people to the insurance rolls, you can't get an appointment now, Mr. President. How are you going to get an appointment then, when there's 46 more million people competing for that doctor's time?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/06/26/734149/-F-You-Charles-Gibson

penultimate

(1,110 posts)
9. It's the most disgusting thing I've ever heard...
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 01:32 PM
Oct 2013

I just don't understand how anyone could actually have that view.

alsame

(7,784 posts)
17. The wealthy, privileged elite don't
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 02:04 PM
Oct 2013

want to be inconvenienced by the rest of us who may need to see a doctor. It's repulsive.

penultimate

(1,110 posts)
19. Well, you, I kinda see why the wealthy elite might feel that way. I don't agree with them, but I see
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 02:50 PM
Oct 2013

their logic. If that makes any sense. I do not understand why the non-wealthy elite would willingly fight against their best interest.

eShirl

(18,505 posts)
14. my answer
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 01:45 PM
Oct 2013

more scholarships & full student loan debt forgiveness for med school, nursing school, dental school, undergrad pre-med

alsame

(7,784 posts)
18. You would think these
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 02:05 PM
Oct 2013

hypocrites would be celebrating Obamacare as a job creator - think of how many more medical professionals of all levels we'll need.

Mopar151

(10,002 posts)
5. Beleif is far more powerful than fact to these goobers
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 01:29 PM
Oct 2013

Confront them with facts, they'll think you're a liar, or that "you don't understand" - they evaluate information based mostly on who told them, and whether the item aligns with their beleif system or not.

Warpy

(111,359 posts)
6. If right wing media didn't fill her empty head with lies and half truths in loaded language,
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 01:30 PM
Oct 2013

it would be completely empty in there. Any original thought would soon die of loneliness.

I know people like this. They're parrots. That's the extent of their thinking, repeating what their masters have told them over and over again, hoping to get a cracker.

penultimate

(1,110 posts)
10. What's weird is that in everyday things she's actually a nice lady...
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 01:36 PM
Oct 2013

Last edited Thu Oct 10, 2013, 02:51 PM - Edit history (1)

Which is why I don't get how someone who comes off as fairly decent person in that regards could actually think that way... And I think I got her when I pointed it out to her, and that's why she shut down. She realized exactly what she was saying how disgusting it was. But then some weird sheep-like mode kicked in and she forgot what she realized just the day before.

Warpy

(111,359 posts)
13. Exactly. She went home and listened to Pox and then had a good night's sleep
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 01:44 PM
Oct 2013

and the combination was enough to reboot her stinkin' thinkin'.

Such is the power of propaganda on shallow thinkers.

eShirl

(18,505 posts)
15. probably a defense mechanism kicked in
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 01:47 PM
Oct 2013

she learned how to stop worrying and love letting Fox do her thinking for her

DireStrike

(6,452 posts)
11. Many of these people already get care at the ER
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 01:38 PM
Oct 2013

Having ERs clogged up with people with toothaches is not good for anybody.

Even if she doesn't need to use the ER, she's still paying for the inefficient treatment.

wandy

(3,539 posts)
12. Another example of the type of people attracted to the republican party.........
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 01:41 PM
Oct 2013
"worried that more people getting insurance would lead to her having to wait longer to see a doctor"

Fear.
I fear I'm not going to get as much as I deserve. I do deserve it you know. It's not greed it's just I am afraid I will be inconvienced.
republicans.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
16. I've wondered about that one too
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 01:47 PM
Oct 2013

When I've run into it. Do these people realize how harsh and cold and self-centered that "worry" is?

penultimate

(1,110 posts)
20. I wonder how they'd react if somehow some company came up with a way to offer
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 02:55 PM
Oct 2013

great insurance at a price that even the poorest among could afford. I'm curious if they would be against it then for the same concern about waiting. I'm going to pose that question to someone next time they say it, just to see where that goes.

pnwmom

(108,997 posts)
21. When you talk to someone like that, please throw in words like
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 02:58 PM
Oct 2013

"Christian duty," assuming she claims to be a Christian. How could she deny her fellow human beings their chance at health care?

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