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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo I was discussing the ACA with a rather conservative person the other day...
I was more or less just trying to explain it without the typical Fox News-like propaganda that she usually gets. She would spout the normal anti-obamacare points that we've all heard a millions times, and for most of them I would just ask her to explain why she thinks that and explain how that would work. Much of what she said was simply based on ignorance of the law. She literally had no clue how it works or what it does....yet she was totally against it.
Anyway, that process continued for awhile, but then she said something that kinda made me rather sick. She said that she'x worried that more people getting insurance would lead to her having to wait longer to see a doctor. Now that may or may not be true. There may be some instances in which the higher demand does cause some waits, but I don't accept that it will be the norm. After all, the conservatives love to say it's only 15% of Americans who are uninsured, and that's why ACA isn't needed.... But even if it did cause some delays due to demand, that would eventually be filled by more supply being created. That's usually how things work, right? So I accepted her point that it would cause more demand and possibly lead to a wait. But then I pointed out that she just said that she would rather her neighbor(or whoever) not get any treatment because she doesn't want the possibility of a wait. That she is saying that she is willing to let other people die of treatable diseases because she doesn't want to have a chance that she may have a wait. She pretty much shut down at that point and didn't carry on with the conversation.
Yesterday I overhear her discussing the ACA with another conservative and she was spouting the same crap she was saying to me the day before. The thing is that during our discussion she didn't offer any rebuttals to anything I said. In fact she agreed with some of the points I made. I just don't understand what is going through this lady's head.
elleng
(131,159 posts)none of it remained!
Thanks for your efforts!
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)penultimate
(1,110 posts)frazzled
(18,402 posts)I can bet she's mostly concerned that a person of color will sit next to her in her doctor's waiting room. I sincerely doubt she wants to let her next-door neighbor go without care. She imagines (wrongly) that everyone who will be getting insurance through this program is either black or latino--someone from another neighborhood, you know.
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)alsame
(7,784 posts)for a while. Charles Gibson brought in up in 2009.
GIBSON: But let me ask a basic question, which may sound silly and naive. But we've got 46 million people who are uninsured in this country.
OBAMA: Right.
GIBSON: And one of your goals, one of the goals of health care reform is to get those 46 million people insured.
OBAMA: Right.
GIBSON: We only have X number of doctors in the country. If you add 46 million people to the insurance rolls, you can't get an appointment now, Mr. President. How are you going to get an appointment then, when there's 46 more million people competing for that doctor's time?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/06/26/734149/-F-You-Charles-Gibson
penultimate
(1,110 posts)I just don't understand how anyone could actually have that view.
alsame
(7,784 posts)want to be inconvenienced by the rest of us who may need to see a doctor. It's repulsive.
penultimate
(1,110 posts)their logic. If that makes any sense. I do not understand why the non-wealthy elite would willingly fight against their best interest.
more scholarships & full student loan debt forgiveness for med school, nursing school, dental school, undergrad pre-med
alsame
(7,784 posts)hypocrites would be celebrating Obamacare as a job creator - think of how many more medical professionals of all levels we'll need.
Mopar151
(10,002 posts)Confront them with facts, they'll think you're a liar, or that "you don't understand" - they evaluate information based mostly on who told them, and whether the item aligns with their beleif system or not.
Warpy
(111,359 posts)it would be completely empty in there. Any original thought would soon die of loneliness.
I know people like this. They're parrots. That's the extent of their thinking, repeating what their masters have told them over and over again, hoping to get a cracker.
penultimate
(1,110 posts)Last edited Thu Oct 10, 2013, 02:51 PM - Edit history (1)
Which is why I don't get how someone who comes off as fairly decent person in that regards could actually think that way... And I think I got her when I pointed it out to her, and that's why she shut down. She realized exactly what she was saying how disgusting it was. But then some weird sheep-like mode kicked in and she forgot what she realized just the day before.
Warpy
(111,359 posts)and the combination was enough to reboot her stinkin' thinkin'.
Such is the power of propaganda on shallow thinkers.
eShirl
(18,505 posts)she learned how to stop worrying and love letting Fox do her thinking for her
DireStrike
(6,452 posts)Having ERs clogged up with people with toothaches is not good for anybody.
Even if she doesn't need to use the ER, she's still paying for the inefficient treatment.
wandy
(3,539 posts)"worried that more people getting insurance would lead to her having to wait longer to see a doctor"
Fear.
I fear I'm not going to get as much as I deserve. I do deserve it you know. It's not greed it's just I am afraid I will be inconvienced.
republicans.
treestar
(82,383 posts)When I've run into it. Do these people realize how harsh and cold and self-centered that "worry" is?
penultimate
(1,110 posts)great insurance at a price that even the poorest among could afford. I'm curious if they would be against it then for the same concern about waiting. I'm going to pose that question to someone next time they say it, just to see where that goes.
pnwmom
(108,997 posts)"Christian duty," assuming she claims to be a Christian. How could she deny her fellow human beings their chance at health care?