Shine the lights, let the bugs run.

I thought Snowden was happy in Russia? Do they have *any* idea how that statement makes them look??

Am I finally allowed to ask what the Russians got in exchange for the temporary asylum??

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

Greenwald's response was that if the Brazilian government is so eager to hear Snowden's testimony, it should offer Snowden asylum opening up the possibility that he would be able to appear in person.

That is the so-called exchange. And apparently, you did not read the article because Greenwald also says this: “I am not holding onto relevant documents nor hiding information. All that I had regarding surveillance against Brazil, and now France — I am working with French and Spanish newspapers — I publish. I don’t hold onto it,” he said in Portuguese.

And I understood that statement to be a pre-emptive "I have no relevant documents on my person or in my home, so if you think you can cut out Snowden and pressure me instead, then forget it"...Maybe I'm needing more context of the full conversation...

And if this is about Senate testimony, then 1. Why would Snowden even want to do it? 2. What insights could he really provide about something that was way above his pay grade? 3. How believable would his testimony be? and 4. Why couldn't it be done by teleconference? (or if push came to shove, why can't Brazil send an official emissary to Moscow to get an in-person deposition?)

And for the record, the "He'd be much more encouraged to testify if he were granted full asylum" -remark still looks bad...Not unlike the few hand-picked pre-invasion Iraqi refugees before the U.S. Congress....

They are the folks who want him to testify.

asylum and protection, the possibility of Snowden being able to testify in person would increase.

If the truth is so important, it should not be given a voice under duress.

OTOH, who cares what Greenwald says? I doubt he has the faintest idea what Snowden wants.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

seize the materials because attempts to teleconference with Snowden haven't panned out. Greenwald was merely offering a less authoritarian solution.

Brazil gives something of great value to Snowden in exchange for him providing something supposedly of great value to them.

That's a bargain, a deal, a horse trade.

Unless you think that Greenwald is speaking purely as a disinterested analyst and not an advocate/confidante of Snowden.

It's quite simple:

A right wing politician expressed frustration with their ability to have Snowden testify at the Senate.

He threatens to find a way to raid Greenwald's home and steal his property.

Greenwald responds that perhaps the government, which has gained a lot already from Snowden should offer asylum, a legal maneuver, instead of scheming for ways to illegally seize material which has already been published. He suggests that if the desire to hear Snowden's testimony is so compelling, then perhaps the peaceful path to that is asylum and protection.

How is this not reasonable?

But I think even DU is weary of Greenwald/Snowden now so most of us don't bother reading the entire article.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

I'm not the biggest fan of Greenwald, but it's beyond belief (not to mention professionalism and common sense) that he would blatantly say that in plain language... Not after 90% of the internet had been screaming up and down for months about this whole endeavor being about the people's right to know; and completely crushing any mention of the possibility that SnowWald might be trying to exploit this for personal advantage...

For those keeping score:

Putting all the info out there and letting the public see for themselves what's most important (i.e., Manning) is the work of a whistleblower...

Putting out a little bit at a time while teasing potentially bigger stories and letting interested parties know in public or private that you're willing to make deals over the un-released stuff is the work of an extortionist...



fwiw, this is why I argued way back when in favor of a mass dump to WikiLeaks instead of doing this piecemeal drip-by-drip bullshit...Oh, but no! I'm wrong, everyone said...I don't know anything about journalism (lalz) everyone said...All I care about is attacking the messenger, they said...

As for the "piecemeal" approach... Reporting has been going on regularly in the international media and it had been fascinating. I am looking forward to the French and Spanish news reports.

So I'm not sure why Greenwald still acts like he has "ownership" of this story...

Although I'd just as soon wish that they stop with the light appetizer stories and get to the China-Russia-Israel-etc. main course feasts...

He regularly praises and promotes the work of the other journalists working on the NSA docs.

You are not paying attention. The following is an article based on Greenwald Sunday reporting in Brazil:


NSA leaks reveal Canadian spies targeted Brazil’s Mines and Energy Ministry: report

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/10/07/nsa-leaks-reveal-canadian-spies-targeted-brazils-mines-and-energy-ministry-report/

And what I read are a whole lotta threats from Greenwald about releasing this or that when in reality he has only leaked dribbles and drabs. Paraphrasing the material isn't good enough.

Let's see it. All of it. Put up or shut up as they say. Because if he doesn't, that pretty makes him more of an attention whore than journalist.

Why call attention to himself with these semi-regular announcements of he's gonna do this and that? Shouldn't his work speak for itself?

I'm a bit cranky today; I usually skip these threads. I'm interested in the material, not the kabuki theater surrounding it.

And it wasn't an announcement. It was testimony at the Brazilian senate which AFP reported.

Perhaps Greenwald should wear a gag.

of his testimony. There was no announcement.

yawns

...look at me!!


[size small]@#$% government shutdown...[/size].

And somehow you blame Greenwald.

I'd thought (perhaps wrongly) that the purpose of the leaks was to let US citizens know what our gov't is doing to us. But now it seems more and more that the purpose is to damage the relationships we have with other countries. I dont see how this benefits Americans at all. Maybe Im missing something.

Government does in our name. Apparently, the NSA is conducting economic espionage. Which is illegal. Now that I know this info, I am able to contact my reps and voice my dissent

I must be further out of the loop than I thought. I hadnt heard anything about that.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

they want snowden to testify as to the truth and the details of us spying on their country.

i guess they are going to have to cut a deal with putin.

They invited him.

I get the feeling that Snowden was nothing more than a Russian mole.

and litigation.

Its already exceeded the national attention span.