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Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts) Sat Oct 12, 2013, 10:08 AM Oct 2013

The ACA is converting disbelievers

into believers, and that single payer is around the corner. It is a start, and it isn't the most ideal currently. However, over time a single state will create the most optimal marketplace and the rest of the states will copy, thus leading to a real possibility of a single payer system. This is good news to be blount.

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The ACA is converting disbelievers (Original Post) Harmony Blue Oct 2013 OP

A "marketplace" enlightenment Oct 2013 #1

In due time that will change Harmony Blue Oct 2013 #3

I doubt I'll be around to see that enlightenment Oct 2013 #4

That is certainly my hope. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #2

This law denies States the right to create single payer until 2017 or 2018 Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #5

That is fine as if that become the most optimal Harmony Blue Oct 2013 #6

Actually we don't think it is fine, we'd like to make a better plan now, not later Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #7

But don't forget, we did receive zero republican votes in exchange for incorporating their ideas DireStrike Oct 2013 #8

+1 GreenPartyVoter Oct 2013 #11

lol robinlynne Oct 2013 #13

which is how it evolved in Canada. Started as hospital care in a single province. grantcart Oct 2013 #9

Good to know. efhmc Oct 2013 #10

The Conservative Party in Canada considers it their "national treasure" grantcart Oct 2013 #15

I'm hoping so. TxDemChem Oct 2013 #12

Young people are signing up ProSense Oct 2013 #14

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)

1. A "marketplace"

Reply to Harmony Blue (Original post)

Sat Oct 12, 2013, 10:20 AM

Oct 2013

is antithetical to the concept of single-payer.

Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)

3. In due time that will change

Reply to enlightenment (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 12, 2013, 10:24 AM

Oct 2013

because the most optimal will be what most people will gravitate towards. A standard will be set. This isn't a straight line to single payer but the end result will be the same.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)

4. I doubt I'll be around to see that

Reply to Harmony Blue (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 12, 2013, 10:36 AM

Oct 2013

but I'll hope you're right.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)

2. That is certainly my hope. n/t

Reply to Harmony Blue (Original post)

Sat Oct 12, 2013, 10:23 AM

Oct 2013

-Laelth

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)

5. This law denies States the right to create single payer until 2017 or 2018

Reply to Harmony Blue (Original post)

Sat Oct 12, 2013, 10:38 AM

Oct 2013

Which is why Oregon and CA and others are stuck with for profit 'exchanges'. We will get rid of your 'marketplace' asap.

Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)

6. That is fine as if that become the most optimal

Reply to Bluenorthwest (Reply #5)

Sat Oct 12, 2013, 10:48 AM

Oct 2013

then that is a good thing. The greater amount of iterations, the increased chance of success.

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)

7. Actually we don't think it is fine, we'd like to make a better plan now, not later

Reply to Harmony Blue (Reply #6)

Sat Oct 12, 2013, 11:06 AM

Oct 2013

and we are forced to wait. We are not allowed to do that which we already know to be optimal. We tried to get Obama to allow freedom to make single payer, but we were told we had to wait so as not to upset his Republican partners in bipartisanship.

DireStrike

(6,452 posts)

8. But don't forget, we did receive zero republican votes in exchange for incorporating their ideas

Reply to Bluenorthwest (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 12, 2013, 11:09 AM

Oct 2013

GreenPartyVoter

(72,382 posts)

11. +1

Reply to DireStrike (Reply #8)

Sat Oct 12, 2013, 12:19 PM

Oct 2013

robinlynne

(15,481 posts)

13. lol

Reply to DireStrike (Reply #8)

Sat Oct 12, 2013, 12:59 PM

Oct 2013

grantcart

(53,061 posts)

9. which is how it evolved in Canada. Started as hospital care in a single province.

Reply to Harmony Blue (Original post)

Sat Oct 12, 2013, 11:15 AM

Oct 2013

efhmc

(14,734 posts)

10. Good to know.

Reply to grantcart (Reply #9)

Sat Oct 12, 2013, 11:58 AM

Oct 2013

grantcart

(53,061 posts)

15. The Conservative Party in Canada considers it their "national treasure"

Reply to efhmc (Reply #10)

Sat Oct 12, 2013, 01:52 PM

Oct 2013

Here is the history

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada#20th_century

TxDemChem

(1,918 posts)

12. I'm hoping so.

Reply to Harmony Blue (Original post)

Sat Oct 12, 2013, 12:48 PM

Oct 2013

One of my coworkers, who I assumed was a republican, was lamenting yesterday that we are the only first world country that has not accepted single payer.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)

14. Young people are signing up

Reply to Harmony Blue (Original post)

Sat Oct 12, 2013, 01:01 PM

Oct 2013

Obamacare needs young people to sign up. And it looks like they’re starting.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023832392

Senator Bernie Sanders: “How many people will die if the Affordable Care Act is repealed?”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023835481

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