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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDividing into two groups and then arguing with each other is no way to reach a solution
Of course, this is the whole basis for English law and the American political system, which has always been dominated by lawyers.
But when the government has to do something complex like implementing a huge IT system or managing 18% of the economy, it will not work.
Reaching solutions in the real world requires:
- defining the problem,
- collecting and organizing the relevant information,
- identifying the possible solutions,
- agreeing on the procedures and metrics for evaluating solutions,
- evaluating the solutions,
- designing the transition plan to get from the present situation to the solution,
- implementing the best solution, usually incrementally with frequent assessments.
And not that it requires picking a solution that actually works in the real world - not just the one that can be argued in the most persuasively attractive terms to convince a majority.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)in game theory best result is achieved by two opposing groups helping each other.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Not all problems are games. Setting them up as games results in gamesmanship that is inappropriate.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Run gov't like a business? I think we've heard that before.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Government is becoming a bigger and bigger player in the economy through legislation, regulation, tax policy, and direct involvement in business processes and policies. Since government is taking on these responsibilities, it must discharge them effectively. This requires restructuring and revising government so that it can do so.
Outsourcing the more demanding functions is what is happening now. However, it is ineffective, since the underlying principles and processes of government are incompatible with even effectively managing the outsourced functions.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)Bummer, huh?
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)I've worked in organizations based on conversation and fact finding by a plurality of subgroups until approximate consensus was reached, for example.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)As soon as you get to anything where the participants have any kind of interest in the subject, personal or otherwise, antagonistic discourse begins.
Why don't you think it's a good kind of discourse? What's wrong with it?
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)It is more difficult when there are only two parties involved.
The two party rhetorical contest tends to exclude other solutions which lack advocates but may be better. The solution arrived at may be easy to argue for but difficult or impractical to implement because it ignores reality in favor of hypotheticals.