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(52,791 posts)They are not working to further the cause of any foreign entity.
BarackTheVote
(938 posts)May have headquarters in the US, but make no mistake, they are very much foreign entities, mini independent states within and subverting the US.
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)criminals of the first degree.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)I think and have written threads here calling these actions treason and it seemed the responses were just about spit. (I wrote the first one over two years ago and received zero responses!!!).
But the fact there are multinational, I believe, puts an entirely different spin on things, and thank you for pointing that out.
Sam
freshwest
(53,661 posts)tblue
(16,350 posts)Our Congress answers to them. Our Supreme Court sides with them.
Who's looking out for us American citizens? Seriously.
AikidoSoul
(2,150 posts)from foreign countries that we have committed to support because of threats to our own national interest.... then yes, you are aiding and abetting the foreign enemy.
We also have enormous pressure economically and if we are drained by lack of money flow from our own government, this will create enormous opportunism for foreign interest to capitalize and further degrade our economic foundation.
These are only two examples. I'm sure there are many others.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)These traitors seem to want to push the nation toward martial law, which might become necessary and will certainly be a 2-edged sword.
Put on your armor, people. This is going to be a long one.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)staying late @work, that wouldn't to bad.
BluegrassStateBlues
(881 posts)Initech
(100,108 posts)Let's lock up and put on trial the Kochs, Ted Cruz, and John Boehner. Fuck them.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)People need to grow up.
DissidentVoice
(813 posts)I sincerely think he needs to be put on trial for interference in the electoral process by way of his "deal with the devil" pledge!
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)to do was remind fellow repubs of their obligation
to the Norquist pledge. imho
RC
(25,592 posts)And his role in the 2000 and 2004 Elections, among other nefarious activities.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)Hear me out.
Boehner, Can'tor, Cruz
Take out the leaders make the rest of the part think they are going down
then hold a vote for a Clean CR
by the time they are out 48 hours later
The Government is reopen and the Debt Ceiling has been raised to Democratic levels
Just a thought I know it would never happen
Maraya1969
(22,507 posts)And people jumped down my throat. The same way they jumped down my throat for bringing up the subject in the first place, except enough people think it is viable enough that it got recs and I was getting that little yellow "Posts" button turn on all the time. I got so I just stopped looking because people can be so damn mean.
But the premise was the same as yours, bring charges or make it seem as if someone is going down for treason and the rest of them will do whatever you want them to do. I think it is a good idea.
RC
(25,592 posts)Do we really want them to arrest and detain our leadership the next time they try to kill the ACA, or pass a reasonable budget, or get rid of the Debt ceiling?
brush
(53,925 posts)RC
(25,592 posts)President Pro Tempore Patrick Leahy (D-VT)
Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV)
And
Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)
Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-MD)
That leadership.
brush
(53,925 posts)Heather MC
(8,084 posts)Maybe we need to be a little extreme. Our country is beheld hostage by 80 Racist.
"by any means necessary" Malcolm X
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)At least that's how it feels like right now for me.
-p
honeylady
(157 posts)for sedition. Maybe that's how this mess has to end. I'm actually starting to get nervous. I never thought they would keep going no matter what. Boner could actually go down in history as stepping up to the plate and doing the right thing for the country. It would raise his stature greatly. Instead, he's going down in history as the worst speaker ever and a terrible coward, hypocrite, selfish, horrible man.
God save the world from crazy republicans.
Triana
(22,666 posts)Seriously.
davekriss
(4,628 posts)House rules were changed (late in the night) via HR 368. I believe the rule change took away Boner's power to bring a clean CR to the floor and handed it to Cantor.
I think we are truly witnessing intensification of the coup that could be said to have started in December 12, 2000. Hold onto your hats, everyone!
RVN VET
(492 posts)Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason.
Ah, John Harington, wherever he is (up or down) must be feeling very wise and smug these days.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)ffr
(22,674 posts)We have to be smarter and find a way to beat them by playing by the rules.
The rules will save the democracy.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)The congress and state houses and governor mansions are getting more right wing every year. We're not going to defeat them by avoiding reality
ThomThom
(1,486 posts)the 2nd amendment is about defending the country and the government not bringing it down
bringing it down is the crime and must be remedied by throwing the bums out so VOTE them out next election
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Now Republicans have changed government by perfidy and stealth.
We'll be lucky to have another election. They don't seem to care about their popularity; that indicates they don't intend to stand for election.
Cha
(297,818 posts)internet.. so far!
thanks Triana
Phlem
(6,323 posts)I don't think we would be as far as we are with out it.
-p
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)gopiscrap
(23,765 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And begins entering "crimes against humanity" territory.
Treason is such a small thing, compared to the harm that these turds are causing.
florida08
(4,106 posts)Rebellious Republican
(5,029 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)either way, it's all bad.
-p
hue
(4,949 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts). . . in respect to the Koch brothers, Foster Friess, Sheldon Adelson, etc., the word would be and is currently justified under a looser definition.
This is a war on democracy itself, and as such is a war against the citizens of the United States. Right wing billionaires think they are fit to rule over us common people because their wealth, or so they believe, is clear and convincing evidence of their moral superiority and, therefore, we have no right to lament our lot. We are fated to attempt to survive on inadequate wages because they are just better than we are.
However, We, the People, didn't demonstrate our moral superiority and our inherent right to rule without the consent of the ruled by crashing the global economy. They did. By so doing, they indeed demonstrated that they possess neither a moral superiority nor an inherent right to rule over us. The world belongs to the common people and has always belonged to the common people. Those who claimed over the millennia the rights of aristocracy are imposters. We, the People, reclaim the earth.
Yes, Herr Brabeck-Letmathe, access to water is a human right. Access to any natural resource is a human right. As an artificial person, the Nestle's Group and other commercial enterprises have no rights other than those granted by those of us made of real flesh and blood. By making claim to the world's water for yourself, you make yourself a thief, an industrial aristocrat who is of no more use to humanity than the landed aristocracy oppressing serfs that preceded you or those who owned slaves preceding them. You have declared class warfare, and you cannot win such a war. The idea that industrial or financial aristocrats are somehow better than any common person is simply grotesque. It is enough to make any honest person tremble.
Right wing billionaires should be given no quarter. Any candidate for any office should be defeated if he takes money from any of these sociopaths. We, the People, must not pretend that we have no responsibility to vet candidates and must never let such scoundrels vet them for us.
The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves, that we are underlings.-- Julius Caesar, 1.2.231-2
People of the world, take up your torches and pitchforks. On to the Bastille.
DissidentVoice
(813 posts)He only became a US citizen to get around laws against foreign ownership of US media.
However, he didn't give up his Australian citizenship, nor did he return the Order of Australia that Queen Elizabeth II awarded him (I think there's a fat little stipend that goes with that, after all!).
From what I understand, though, the Aussies want no part of him.
SalviaBlue
(2,918 posts)alfredo
(60,077 posts)If you believe that, then you have to do what you can to make Reagan's words true. They want to make our government so bad that we will accept a right wing coup. Think of what happened to Allende and the horrors post coup.
Until just recently many people thought it was the government, now they are starting to see it is one party that is sabotaging our government. Maybe
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
longship
(40,416 posts)I post this without comment other than to state that the treason charge against Congress has been debunked so many times here.
GOTV 2014.
It is just specific enough.
-p
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)I'm really not sure how many times we need to explain that Congress, in the act of discharging its duties under the constitution (and just because you don't like it, doesn't make in unconstitutional) is NOT treason.
Lars39
(26,117 posts)Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)I was taken by the legal definition of sedition as a describer of GOP intransigence here, but it's the "by force" part that decides it. Using their constitutional powers cannot be construed as force in that definition.
But there ought to be a law against what they are doing with the debt ceiling madness. Of person gets that self destructive, he or she can be humanely restrained for harming themselves and others. If for no other reason, I hope the president employs a 14th Amendment solution if it comes to that.
Triana
(22,666 posts)That's my main point, whatever you want to call it. It's certainly extortion, at least as well as a coup.
And no I won't "shut up" and probably Robert Reich won't either.
Bytheway, I just returned from watching his film "Inequality for All" - highly recommended.
Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)I'm not. You're mad about what the GOP is doing. So am I.
And I will catch that film on my first opportunity.
Triana
(22,666 posts). . . from "Jeff in Milwaukee" who told me to "SHUT UP".
I'm not gonna do that.
ever
your voice
speaks for many
who remain silent out of fear
thank you for your courage
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Having one makes it something like Jefferson's view of the electoral college: Useless when it does its job and dangerous when it does not.
Most parliamentary democracies don't have a debt ceiling. I'll bet it's because some wise statesman saw the possibility of this happening in his own country.
Since this isn't a parliamentary democracy, the President could invoke the 14th Amendment and raise the debt ceiling by executive order (which I personally don't believe he has the power to do). Certainly some teabagger from congress will seek an injuction in federal court against the President and refuse to give one, opening up court hearings on the issue while the government continues to pay its bills. By the time they rule the President's actions unconstitutional, cooler heads will have prevailed and the case will be moot. Better yet, by that time the GOP will be extinct.
ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)sorefeet
(1,241 posts)That's all I have heard for 60 years is we are at war.
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)Last edited Sun Oct 13, 2013, 11:55 AM - Edit history (1)
and it has been said President Obama doesn't have the authority to raise the debt limit on his own, under the 14th amendment.
Couldn't it be argued, however, since the Constitution via the 14th ammendment does say that the debt of the United States validity cannont be questioned," that Congress along with the President has a duty to ensure it is not questioned?
The Pukes swore an oath of office to uphold the constitution but if they allow the debt ceiling to expire and let us default, then aren't they very much calling its validity into question and therefore in violation of the 14th amendment?
So aren't they at the very least violating their oath of office?
Maybe the President and other Dems cannot take action but could citizens pettion the courts some how for redress?
I am a history and Poli Sci major and also took some para legal courses but my memory is not what it was and this is new territory so I could be way off.
And if they were just legistating something we disagreed with I wouldn't object to their behavior but what they are potentially doing could devestate the country economically for years, that's different than just venting over legislative differences.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)This route has, have, and will be discussed several times.
To me, what it seems like we need is a liberal think tank that no money or DLC'r can contribute to. Independent from money and it's influence and purely functions as the antithesis of the Koch Bros.
What it seems like we have are a bunch of politicians trying to work together but working independently.
A Democratic Suggestion Box if you will, but taken extremely seriously.
Just a thought.
It seems to me that the Democratic party of the past have been replaced with more of reactive than proactive version.
-p
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)is one I like very much.
Also agree on the we need to be more proactive than reactive. At first I think many on our side thought the tea pukers were just a joke and that nobody with even half a functioning brain, would take them seriously let alone actually vote for them.
Unfortunately I think what we discovered is we have a whole lot more people than we thought voting with their brains not fully engaged.
DissidentVoice
(813 posts)They sure as hell like to rant about how committed they are to the Constitution...but when it comes to the rubber meeting the road, it's just so much hot gas.
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)Its kind of like their fake fidelity to Christianity. The only thing they are loyal to is their wallets and those individuals whom they think can pad said wallets in addition to providing them with more power for their egos.
DissidentVoice
(813 posts)And very, very little of it is good.
They take Ayn Rand and wrap it in a very thin veneer of the Constitution.
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)Treason, perpetrated by domestic enemies.
Chaco Dundee
(334 posts)Since those teabaglians are the offspring of the criminally inclined people who got kicked out of any other decent country,what would one expect?
Hulk
(6,699 posts)The Sedition Act of 1918....google it. I think it is fitting for what we are seeing with these corrupt baboons in Congress, and the reich winger talk clowns.
RC
(25,592 posts)Sedition can be a heavy club welded by the government to silence opposition. Think of the present obstructionist being in power, instead of being in the minority.
The legislation came so late in the war, just a few months before Armistice Day, that prosecutions under the provisions of the Sedition Act were few.[13] One notable case was that of Mollie Steimer, convicted under the Espionage Act as amended by the Sedition Act.[15] U.S. Attorneys at first had considerable discretion in using these laws, until Gregory, a few weeks before the end of the war, instructed them not to act without his approval. Enforcement varied greatly from one jurisdiction to the next, with most activity in the Western states where the Industrial Workers of the World labor union was prevalent.[16] For example, Marie Equi was arrested for giving a speech at the IWW hall in Portland, Oregon, and was convicted after the war was over.[17]
In April 1918, the government arrested industrialist William Edenborn, a naturalized citizen from Germany, at his railroad business in New Orleans, Louisiana. He was accused of speaking "disloyally" when he allegedly belittled the threat of Germany to the security of the United States.[18]
In June 1918, the Socialist Party figure Eugene V. Debs of Indiana was arrested for violating the Sedition Act by undermining the government's conscription efforts. He was sentenced to ten years in prison. He served his sentence in the Atlanta Federal Penitentiary from April 13, 1919, until December 1921, when President Harding commuted Debs' sentence to time served, effective on December 25, Christmas Day.[19] In March 1919, President Wilson, at the suggestion of Attorney General Thomas Watt Gregory, released or reduced the sentences of some two hundred prisoners convicted under the Espionage Act or the Sedition Act.[20]
With the act rendered inoperative by the end of hostilities, Attorney General A. Mitchell Palmer waged a public campaign, not unrelated to his own campaign for the Democratic nomination for president, in favor of a peacetime version of the Sedition Act.[21] He sent a circular outlining his rationale to newspaper editors in January 1919, citing the dangerous foreign-language press and radical attempts to create unrest in African American communities.[22] He testified in favor of such a law in early June 1920. At one point Congress had more than 70 versions of proposed language and amendments for such a bill,[23] but it took no action on the controversial proposal during the campaign year of 1920.[24] After a court decision later in June cited Palmer's anti-radical campaign for its abuse of power, the conservative Christian Science Monitor found itself unable to support him any more, writing on June 25, 1920: "What appeared to be an excess of radicalism...was certainly met with...an excess of suppression."[25] The Alien Registration Act of 1940 was the first American peacetime sedition act.[26]
The U.S. Supreme Court upheld the Sedition Act in Abrams v. United States (1919),[27] although Oliver Wendell Holmes used his dissenting opinion to make a commentary on what has come to be known as "the marketplace of ideas". Subsequent Supreme Court decisions, such as Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969), make it unlikely that similar legislation would be considered constitutional today.
Congress repealed the Sedition Act on December 13, 1920.[4][28][29]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition_Act_of_1918
Beartracks
(12,821 posts)Just sayin'...
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Revlon10
(177 posts)We the people what are WE GOING TO DO?
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Vote, of course. Educate, don't let lies and hate get by in your presence, petition, join an activist group. Whatever it is you can do in your position, we need all of us.
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)While I share your sentiment, we need to tread carefully on this sentiment. The presedence os such action could come nack to haunt us and enable afaschist takeeover of our government. I would be open to our DoJ monitoring the financial money movements of our polticians who could legislate based on personal financial gain. i'd. Arrest those scumbags and try them on such criminal activities.