But if we break up into smaller nation states - I'm moving to Cascadia!

Cascadia forever!

It must be really sweet for our southern members to come to this haven and read they need to be kicked the fuck out of the country.

in case anyone needed the clue

ours.

But, this is daydreaming, as we our fates are joined to the Teabilly hordes of disaffected white racists in the South.

in Detroit, MI. Sorry to burst your bubble.

As bad as Snyder, Walker and Kasich are, they're downright moderate compared to the Teabaggers that come out of the slave states.

You need to do your research.

Edited to add: Michelle Bachmann and Palin are from the South now are they???????

People like Bachmann, and Palin are the exception in their region. In the south, politicians like Bachmann and Palin tend to be the rule. Besides, Michelle Bachmann has NEVER won statewide office in Minnesota. The south regularly elects people as bad (if not worse) than her to statewide office eg: Nikki Haley, Saxby Chambliss, Jim Demint, Lindsey Graham, Marco Rubio, Rick Perry, Ted Cruz, Mark Sanford, Pat McCrory, Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell, John Boozman, Bobby Jindhal, David Vitter, Nathan Deal... Should I go on?

Here's Randy Newman's "Rednecks". . .

and then put a glass dome over the barge, it would make the South more progressive.

You've certainly demonstrated a remarkable lack of progressivism on your part.

Jesus christ, it's like Democratic Underground has undergone a surgical removal of its sense of humor. Yes, I'm actually in favor of throwing all the teabaggers onto a barge in the Gulf of Mexico.

What kind of sick bastard are you?

Then, without the ability to trick morons into electing morons, the Republican Party would go out of business.

goes against our founding principles.

Born in the South and raised here, I might want to kick the South out of the Union, too. In fact, I wrote earlier today that if there were any South Carolina bashing going on, I might just join in, I'm so frustrated. There are a whole lot of fundamentalist fanatical Faux Christian right wing crazies down here. There are also idiots who just go with the flow and don't know what the hell they are talking about. It's right because the preacher told them it's right and they don't delve any further. But your Democratic brothers and sisters are here, too, trying to learn and trying to open minds and hearts. And we're voting and trying to get others to vote, even though we know that ultimately our votes may not count f or anything. My whole family votes Democratic, except for my crazy mother-in-law. And there are more people voting Democratic every election. So please let us stay. It's what Abraham Lincoln would do.

Madeline Anne Rogero (born July 26, 1952) is the mayor of Knoxville, Tennessee, elected in 2011. She is the first woman to hold the office and the first woman to be elected mayor in any of the Big Four cities (Nashville, Memphis, Knoxville and Chattanooga) in Tennessee. Before entering politics, Rogero worked as a community development director, non-profit executive, urban and regional planner, and community volunteer. She served on the Knox County Commission from 1990 to 1998, and first ran for mayor in 2003, losing to the current Governor of Tennessee, Bill Haslam.[1]

Early life

Rogero (the "g" is pronounced as an "h&quot was born in Jacksonville, Florida, one of three children of Gerald Rogero, a plumber, and Anita Ghioto, a former nun.[1] She spent her childhood in Eau Gallie, Florida, and later in Kettering, Ohio, where she attended Archbishop Alter High School.[1] Rogero attended Temple University and Ohio State University, before graduating with a degree in political science from Furman University in 1979.[1]

During the mid-1970s, Rogero and her first husband, Mark Pitt, worked as organizers for César Chávez's United Farm Workers, a labor union that sought better wages for migrant farm workers.[1][2][3][4] She and Pitt moved to Knoxville in 1980, where Pitt helped run the textile workers' union, Amalgamated Clothing & Textile Workers, now UNITE HERE.[1] Rogero obtained a master's degree from the University of Tennessee's Graduate School of Planning, having been inspired to enter the urban planning field while helping fight an attempt by a developer to install temporary trailers in her neighborhood in anticipation of the 1982 World's Fair.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeline_Rogero

But DU reminds me of a wonderful, funny song by Brenda Lee, "Everybody Loves Me But You."

My brother in Massachusetts, sister in Montana, and sister in Maryland don't want to get rid of everyone south of the Potomac. As a historian, I'm writing for and with publishers in Oregon, Florida and Denmark; editors in California, Colorado, and Kentucky. Subject matter involves a Missourian, a New Jerseyite, a Russian, and a family that stretches from the Atlantic to the Gulf and up to the Great Lakes. Nobody in my real life in a border state, and nobody in my entire social world as a writer has ever given me the slightest hint of having a problem with Virginians as a category, or rather members of another geographical category of people. BUT:

Every day at DU lately "get rid of them all" grows louder and louder, more and more voices.

.

I think today (specifically today and yesterday at DU) the outrage is because of the use of the Confederate Flag. . .

If you were educated in a small North Eastern town by teachers in their 70's (Grandchildren of Union Soldiers) - the Confederate flag has nothing 'intellectual' about it. . . It's a symbol of 'those people shot at us' and then later - it became the symbol du jour for Jim Crow, White Supremacy - and the violence these laws and ideology inflicted on those who were 'others'.


Love it or hate - the reality is - that flag - as it is flown and bandied about today - IS indeed a a symbol of the Confederacy. Now I have a Misssissippi Confederate flag in my possession - regardless of what regiment an ancestor of mine fought in - That flag as it is today has come to represent Confederate beliefs. On the other side of the line - I have German American ancestors rolling over in their graves that I even possess that . . . but I also have one of their Pennsylvania Union soldier hats in that same trunk.

That flag waved in front of the white house the other day - that HOUSES a black family with black children - was a DIRECT threat against that family.

It had nothing to do with
Freedom

Pride

States Rights

For those of us that walk with black skin and who have a history (though mixed) in the South - we know it's intent is to 'threaten us'. Nothing more and nothing less.


Those people at that RALLY had every intent of threatening those two girls that live in that house.

I have no doubt that Sister Sarah Alaskastan smirked and giggled about it later. I truly believe that is WHAT she is. At her heart. At her core. She's that evil.

But it was THOSE people. THOSE TEA PARTIERS.

It was not the entire South.

Not only did most of my southern ancestors of the Civil War era fight for the Union, they took a lot of hell for it from former Confederates for decades afterwards. I had an uncle who died a prisoner at Andersonville; 22 Union soldiers from their county went there and one came home alive-- this after being captured near their homes in eastern NC.

To see a Utahn, Lee stirring up this racist pseudo-revolutionary shit and Ms. Idahoan/Alaskan next to that god damned flag makes my blood boil. But partly because I know people from Utah, Idaho, and Alaska will never, ever be blamed for such shenanigans. Someone else always will.

And there's never a good defense for it.

Not all of those States are in the South, but all of the States in the South are among the States that do allow such discrimination.

I kinda figgure we done had that discussion afore and they lost

would have you believe.

BTW, I lived in west Los Angeles for a couple of years. Overpriced, overhyped, unbelievably materialistic and very racist. Every race hated every other race out there and the people were just plain hateful in general. If it wasn't for the amazing coastline, I would never have stayed more than a week out there. It was a lousy place to live compared to Tennessee. And the most racist people I've met here are all from Michigan.

Not the county, mind you, but he won the city.

We're supposed racist monsters...yet our Congresswoman is Terri Sewell, an African American woman, with degrees from Princeton, Harvard and Oxford. Yep, we're all backwards and all that!

could manage to get elected in a minority-majority district! Do you think Terri Sewell could get elected statewide, or in any other district in that god forsaken state?

Than to live with a "god forsaken" state of mind.

At least I don't have the embarrassment of living in a state that ranks last, or near the bottom when it comes to every category that measures quality of life...

Oh well, Roll Tide!

You're so limited in your thought processes. Obviously uneducated and all that.

...some bigotry is perfectly acceptable to some "progressives/liberals/what-have-you" types. In particular, regionalism, is extremely popular, well, when the South is the target. I remember way on back, when the attacks on Kerry and the "liberal, elite Northeast" and how those "stereotypes" were met with "screeching and spewing and sputtering of excuses." The South = bad, inbreed, uneducated, racist; rest of the country = OK, occasional racism, but not really serious, intelligent.

Off to find a cousin to hump!

Who is half Palestinian.

Grr...

and I've heard it on MSNBC and on Progressive Radio (WCPT, Chicagoland).

That seems to be a rather more common and acceptable form of bigotry among the ""progressives/liberals/what-have-you" types"

would realize the only way to get the country they want is to leave and start their own. The main strategic advantage of the colonialists over the English crown (accepting the Tea party's warped analogy for the moment) was that the colonies were so far away from England and the crown's power. Basically, the colonialists had their own geographically separate country. That's part of why they succeeded.

Trying to get what they want out of an already established and powerful government is like the Puritans staying in England and trying to impose their will on England.

Simple solution: The Teapublicans need to just leave. If they're so dissatisfied with the government they have, given our modern age and technology, it would be far easier and a far more peaceful endeavor to just build a man made chain of islands (whether it's abandoned oil platforms strung together or converted oil tankers, yea, I know, Water World) in international waters where they could govern themselves as poorly as they please without interference from anyone.

In this day and age, if you are a group that wants it's own country there's no reason to impose on, force or bother anyone else. Start a Kickstarter campaign detailing your woes and ask for funding for your own man-made offshore paradise. These days we are capable of transforming the environment on a large scale to suit our needs. Don't try to impose your will on others who don't agree with you. Just go your own way and leave innocent others out of it.