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Flo Mingo

(492 posts) Thu Oct 17, 2013, 08:31 AM Oct 2013

NOW can we talk about Citizens United?

There are now Republicans in the House who openly admit the damage the T-bagger extremists are doing to the party. Those anarchists came to power as a direct result of the Citizen's United decision. And that same big money gravy train promises to primary any R who supported restarting the government and raising the debt ceiling.

Will those Rs who broke ranks to reopen the government dare to work with Democrats to begin dismantling this toxic decision? Perhaps that's a bit too optimistic but until we undo the Corporate Supreme Court's anti-democratic decision, we have no hope of returning sanity to Washington and no hope of a Repubican party that isn't completely submissive to corporate interests.

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NOW can we talk about Citizens United? (Original Post) Flo Mingo Oct 2013 OP

That would be good. LWolf Oct 2013 #1

They won't go that far Flo Mingo Oct 2013 #3

Unfortunately, you're probably right. nt LWolf Oct 2013 #7

ANY chance that this makes the supremes think twice with their next ruling ebbie15644 Oct 2013 #2

A girl can dream, can't she? Flo Mingo Oct 2013 #4

That's my hope! ebbie15644 Oct 2013 #9

No edhopper Oct 2013 #13

Until Scalia rules that the First amendment does not permit corporate fee-fees to be hurt. n/t Orsino Oct 2013 #5

He won't have to Flo Mingo Oct 2013 #8

Nah. We're Liberals. Dunkirks are our greatest victories... Junkdrawer Oct 2013 #6

The Amendment: Loudly Oct 2013 #10

At this point in time, we would have to amend the Constitution joeglow3 Oct 2013 #11

What you have posted Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #12

Arkansas has a group trying to get it going. Cannikin Oct 2013 #14

Thanks for the heads up, Cannikin Flo Mingo Oct 2013 #15

Yeap, if we start with unmitigated filibusters and unmitigated Gerrymandering first uponit7771 Oct 2013 #16

LWolf

(46,179 posts)

1. That would be good.

Reply to Flo Mingo (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 08:48 AM

Oct 2013

We could also talk about the TPP.

About Sequestration.

About the corporate war on public education, and how politicians on all sides are promoting it.

Flo Mingo

(492 posts)

3. They won't go that far

Reply to LWolf (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 09:00 AM

Oct 2013

I don't think they've evolved or learned enough to support anything that isn't in their political interests. I'm just hoping they see the T-bags for what they are; a scab on the ass of democracy and more importantly to R's, a huge threat to their power structure.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)

7. Unfortunately, you're probably right. nt

Reply to Flo Mingo (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 09:14 AM

Oct 2013

ebbie15644

(1,216 posts)

2. ANY chance that this makes the supremes think twice with their next ruling

Reply to Flo Mingo (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 08:51 AM

Oct 2013

on individual donations?

Flo Mingo

(492 posts)

4. A girl can dream, can't she?

Reply to ebbie15644 (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 09:02 AM

Oct 2013

ebbie15644

(1,216 posts)

9. That's my hope!

Reply to Flo Mingo (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 09:47 AM

Oct 2013

edhopper

(33,604 posts)

13. No

Reply to ebbie15644 (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 10:06 AM

Oct 2013

they refuse to accept the consequences of their rulings.
They still agree they did right with CU and even though States started discriminating right after their Voting Rights ruling, they wouldn't change their minds.
I think they will remove the donation limit this year.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)

5. Until Scalia rules that the First amendment does not permit corporate fee-fees to be hurt. n/t

Reply to Flo Mingo (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 09:04 AM

Oct 2013

Flo Mingo

(492 posts)

8. He won't have to

Reply to Orsino (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 09:18 AM

Oct 2013

TPP will take care of that.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)

6. Nah. We're Liberals. Dunkirks are our greatest victories...

Reply to Flo Mingo (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 09:10 AM

Oct 2013

Last edited Thu Oct 17, 2013, 01:41 PM - Edit history (1)

Defense...Defense....

Loudly

(2,436 posts)

10. The Amendment:

Reply to Flo Mingo (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 09:56 AM

Oct 2013

It shall not be an infringement upon the rights of the People for Congress to limit by law the raising and expenditure of money in public elections.

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)

11. At this point in time, we would have to amend the Constitution

Reply to Flo Mingo (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 09:58 AM

Oct 2013

Would be neat to see that (hasn't happened in my lifetime), but I doubt it would succeed.

Bunnahabhain

(857 posts)

12. What you have posted

Reply to Flo Mingo (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 10:03 AM

Oct 2013

shows one of the direct positives of the CU case. I know this will make heads explode here but the power of incumbency is huge. Go check how often incumbents get re-elected if they run. As you noted the CU case allows incumbents to be powerfully challenged, not only by the other party, but by challengers in their own party. While we certainly do not like the fact this has allowed Baggers to oust more moderate Repubs I think the bigger picture is worth examining.

Alright, everyone pounce on me now.

Cannikin

(8,359 posts)

14. Arkansas has a group trying to get it going.

Reply to Flo Mingo (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 10:41 AM

Oct 2013

And quite frankly, Arkansas needs outside help from everyone here at DU. We just don't have enough boots on the ground to battle ALEC, Club for Growth and AFP's propaganda here. I hope we'll have everyone's support if this comes to pass.

Group seeks to make Arkansas first Southern state to reject Citizens United
http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2013/09/06/group-seeks-to-make-arkansas-first-southern-state-to-reject-citizens-united

Flo Mingo

(492 posts)

15. Thanks for the heads up, Cannikin

Reply to Cannikin (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 10:46 AM

Oct 2013

Definitely will be keeping an eye on that one with all my fingers and toes crossed.

uponit7771

(90,348 posts)

16. Yeap, if we start with unmitigated filibusters and unmitigated Gerrymandering first

Reply to Flo Mingo (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 11:05 AM

Oct 2013

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