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jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 09:48 PM Oct 2013

Some days I wonder where people got the arrogance to talk about American Exceptionalism...


Especially when I come across stuff like the paragraph below. I do a little computer work here and there, and have always been self-taught. I've spent thousands of dollars (and more) on my own hardware and software over the years, tests when I think it will help my skill set or marketability, etc. I have worked for big companies, a couple of contractors to the Feds, a few other places, and I can't hardly remember a place where they offered much more than a token attempt at training, sometimes reimbursement, sometimes not even that, (which is fine for me, but I have absolutely no problem with leaving them behind for more money to recover my personal investment - they had their chance).

So in an IT forum I came across this:


...
And I'm going to do it from my desk here in France, where my right to go to training courses (paid for by the company) is protected by law. All employees working in France are entitled by law to a certain (useful) amount of job-related training each year - it is called the DIF, "droit individuel de formation" / "individual right to training".
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WHAT!? The richest country in the world and all we can do is make up names like "Freedom Fries" while running up student loan debt that now surpasses the amount of personal credit in our entire economy?

We give lip-service to "lifelong learning" which in public schools now means you have the right to run up 40 or 80 thousand bucks or more in debt for a job that you may never have or that may never give you an adequate rate of return, (and now, of course, we have made it possible to hound you all the way through Social Security and to the grave, while private vocational schools rake in the profits - good job, elected fuckers). And if you are at a job that wants you to be all skilled, they expect you to pay out of pocket and come to them trained, (you really didn't attend ITT tech and pay them $40,000 plus future interest on your loans for what you could do at home for perhaps 12% of that, did you?) and, I guess, pick up new stuff by some universal osmosis or something.

I can't help thinking about how something like "An American Right to Training and Education" that might alleviate some of the problem with "dumb voters" and "bad economy" that I hear people complain about.
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Some days I wonder where people got the arrogance to talk about American Exceptionalism... (Original Post) jtuck004 Oct 2013 OP
The GOP got it from Reagan after Nixon resigned in shame and it made them feel better TeamPooka Oct 2013 #1
We are exceptional - Nobody else does it quite like US Xipe Totec Oct 2013 #2
We sure have changed a lot of things in my lifetime. n/t jtuck004 Oct 2013 #5
John Winthrop (Puritan leader a minister) and Alexis de Tocqueville Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #3
American exceptionalism Tx4obama Oct 2013 #4

TeamPooka

(24,229 posts)
1. The GOP got it from Reagan after Nixon resigned in shame and it made them feel better
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 09:51 PM
Oct 2013

about supporting crooks all the time.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
3. John Winthrop (Puritan leader a minister) and Alexis de Tocqueville
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 10:00 PM
Oct 2013

as well old Andy Jackson were primary, though not the only, sources for the concept of American Exceptionalism. It is a concept steeped in Religion.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
4. American exceptionalism
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 10:57 PM
Oct 2013

American exceptionalism

American exceptionalism is the theory that the United States is "qualitatively different" from other states.[2] In this view, U.S. exceptionalism stems from its emergence from a revolution, becoming what political scientist Seymour Martin Lipset called "the first new nation"[2] and developing a uniquely American ideology, "Americanism", based on liberty, egalitarianism, individualism, republicanism, populism and laissez-faire.[3] This ideology itself is often referred to as "American exceptionalism."

Although the term does not necessarily imply superiority, many neoconservative and American conservative writers have promoted its use in that sense.[3][4] To them, the United States is like the biblical shining "City upon a Hill", and exempt from historical forces that have affected other countries.[5]

The theory of exceptionalism can be traced to Alexis de Tocqueville, the first writer to describe the United States as "exceptional" in 1831 and 1840.[6] The term "American exceptionalism" has been in use since at least the 1920s and saw more common use after Soviet leader Joseph Stalin chastised members of the Jay Lovestone-led faction of the American Communist Party for their heretical belief that America was independent of the Marxist laws of history "thanks to its natural resources, industrial capacity, and absence of rigid class distinctions". American Communists started using the English term "American exceptionalism" in factional fights. It then moved into general use among intellectuals.[7][8] In 1989 Scottish political scientist Richard Rose noted that most American historians endorse exceptionalism. He suggests that these historians reason as follows:

"America marches to a different drummer. Its uniqueness is explained by any or all of a variety of reasons: history, size, geography, political institutions, and culture. Explanations of the growth of government in Europe are not expected to fit American experience, and vice versa."[9]


However, postnationalist scholars have rejected American exceptionalism, arguing that the United States had not broken from European history, and accordingly, the United States has retained class inequities, race-based inequalities, imperialism and war. Furthermore, they see most nations as subscribing to some form of exceptionalism.[10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism

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