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Cleita

(75,480 posts)
1. I think the search function hasn't been operating probably due
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 10:05 PM
Oct 2013

to high traffic. I haven't been able to get much that's newer than a couple of weeks ago. Although it's true I haven't seen any mention of that for awhile.

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
3. As always, when the President needed the left wing, we came to his aid.
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 10:07 PM
Oct 2013

Will he come to ours now, or will he call us extremists and offer to cut Social Security and Medicare in another grand bargain?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
5. Oh come now...
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 10:12 PM
Oct 2013

He's way behind schedule on going to war in Iran or Syria or someplace.

Give the man a breather, and I'm sure he'll get right back to cutting Medicare and Social Security. He jus keeps getting interrupted.

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
10. There's likely more truth to your comment than sarcasm.
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 10:16 PM
Oct 2013

I very much hope I'm wrong but time will tell...

One thing that didn't take long was for the same old clique to start back up with the hippie-bashing.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
14. So he immediately after he was reelected he clearly stated a 'no negotiation' policy on the
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 10:28 PM
Oct 2013

debt ceiling, and repeated it constantly and you take credit for it. Talk about delusional.

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
16. Please point out where I said or even hinted what you just claimed.
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 10:35 PM
Oct 2013

If you want to hippie-bash just do it. You don't need to find excuses.

But it's so nice to see the same old clique come rushing in to beat up on us 'leftist loonies.'

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
17. hippie bashing that is rich
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 12:53 AM
Oct 2013

No this is bashing of the self absorbed conceited patronizing out touch, and I have yet to meet a single 'hippie' that wasn't gentle considerate and humble.

This is what YOU said:



3. As always, when the President needed the left wing, we came to his aid.



The issue of non negotiation by the President on the debt ceiling was something that he has repeatedly articulated immediately after the election, He did it numerous times. He did in public. He did it private. Even when McConnell was caught speaking to Rand Paul in a hot mike McConnell he admitted that the President was saying exactly the same thing he was saying in private.

When the Senate was trying to negotiate a face saving compromise, he killed it:



But Obama stood his ground, beating back GOP efforts to extract concessions such as major changes to his health care law.

Over the summer, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid met with Obama, and the two men agreed to split up responsibility for the fall talks, according to senior administration officials. Reid would negotiate with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell on federal funding and Obama would handle the debt limit.

The president reassured Reid that he meant what he had said about not negotiating back on New Year’s Day when the previous debt ceiling deal was reached. “While I will negotiate over many things, I will not have another debate with this Congress over whether or not they should pay the bills that they’ve already racked up through the laws

. . .

The strategy was simple, but the plan for executing it wasn’t.

To start with, staking out a no-negotiating position doesn’t sound good to voters. The Washington establishment always craves big displays of bipartisanship, and the White House feared they would get hammered by the pundit class.

. . .


Obama’s response: If I give them something this time, they’ll back in a few weeks or months asking for more.

At one point, the president re-framed his rhetoric, emphasizing that he was happy to talk with congressional Republicans on any issue so long as they first voted to open the government and raise the debt ceiling. It was a softer tone, but the bottom line remained the same.

. . .

Even when Reid and McConnell began negotiating a debt-limit deal that would have given organized labor — a key constituency in Reid’s 2016 re-election race — the sweetener of a delay in the Affordable Care Act’s reinsurance fee in exchange for a more stringent verification of income levels for health-exchange consumers, the White House viewed it as a one-for-one sidebar, according to one of the senior administration officials

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/barack-obama-government-shutdown-debt-ceiling-98440.html#ixzz2i2u6R5w0



For the last two years this has been Obama's strategy and he has personally articulated and stage managed it. It has been well documented and recorded in detail. He was the anchor while others tried to thread the needle and now to suggest that he "needed the left wing" is just as fictional as your complete invention that I was "hippie bashing". It sounds like something kind of familiar and you think you can get away with it but it is simply pure invention.

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
18. That's what I said, so how does my comment "take credit?"
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 12:57 AM
Oct 2013

Through this entire crisis, we have stood by the president. That is indisputable. The moment the crisis is over, posters like yourself return to your favorite sport, bashing hippies.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
8. That's what happens when anyone mentioning it gets swarmed with derogatory comments. No one will
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 10:15 PM
Oct 2013

mention it any more.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
11. If only it was that simple
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 10:17 PM
Oct 2013

there are plenty of people here that survive on those derogatory comments. I swear, it's like mothers milk.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
15. That's the beauty of Nth dimensional chess, Nye Bevan....
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 10:32 PM
Oct 2013

...It cannot be seen, and that's by design.

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