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applegrove

(118,696 posts) Thu Oct 17, 2013, 11:16 PM Oct 2013

IT'S ON! The GOP is taking on Heritage

Orrin Hatch: Heritage 'In Danger Of Losing Its Clout And Its Power' (UPDATE)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/17/orrin-hatch-heritage_n_4115347.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

"SNIP...............................

One day after Heritage Action warned legislators not to vote for the Senate budget compromise, Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) warned that the group could become irrelevant if it continues on its radical path.

"The right is a multiplicity of various groups, some of which aren't even Republicans but who think they can control the Republican Party, and some of which have been good think tanks in the past but now are losing their reputation for some of this radicalness," said Hatch on MSNBC's "The Daily Rundown" on Thursday.

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UPDATE: 2:14 p.m. -- Matthew Streit, a Heritage spokesman, responded to Sen. Hatch in a general statement to The Huffington Post attacking Obamacare:

Heritage is fully dedicated to policy research of the utmost intellectual integrity. Everything our analysts warned would happen as a result of Obamacare is happening. Every day brings new reports of Americans losing jobs, losing work hours, losing the coverage they want to keep -- all because of this unworkable, unaffordable program that most Americans don’t want. The Heritage Foundation wants to stop Obamacare from doing even more damage. We continue to seek policy solutions that will benefit all Americans, not political deals that would appease one political party or another.

.............................SNIP"

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IT'S ON! The GOP is taking on Heritage (Original Post) applegrove Oct 2013 OP

I don't know which is funnier: winter is coming Oct 2013 #1

Very nice Southside Oct 2013 #2

I know - right? Marie Marie Oct 2013 #10

In other news - Orrin Hatch is still a Senator! jberryhill Oct 2013 #3

There was an heritage guy earlier on Chris Hayes explaining that nearly all the GOPers understood Mass Oct 2013 #4

At least Hatch realizes the TP is not GOP's friend and speaking out, surely there are some Thinkingabout Oct 2013 #5

So it is a clown on clown fight? Rex Oct 2013 #6

Heritage has given Boehner a time out. I kid you not. Here: NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #7

WTF? Wasn't ObamaCare invented by Heritage? MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #8

Yep: jsr Oct 2013 #14

Yes, the ACA was completely an invention by the Heritage Foundation area51 Oct 2013 #15

Is Matthew Streit an ex-Onion writer? nyquil_man Oct 2013 #9

I know. It is like a psychopath feining applegrove Oct 2013 #11

The Obamalocalypse is coming! bhikkhu Oct 2013 #12

I so remember how depressed I was on Tuesday when I Cha Oct 2013 #13

The GOP is trying to take back their party, but B Calm Oct 2013 #16

The Heritage Foundation is the sleeper agent designed to break up the Republicans muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #17

+1 safeinOhio Oct 2013 #18

Heritage is full of RW nut jobs malaise Oct 2013 #19

Heritage Action is different from Heritage Foundation, n'est-ce pas? stillwaiting Oct 2013 #20

Sister group - for tax and secrecy purposes muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #21

Thanks for that! I had no idea! nt stillwaiting Oct 2013 #22

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)

1. I don't know which is funnier:

Reply to applegrove (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 11:19 PM

Oct 2013

Heritage claiming they have intellectual integrity, or Hatch, behaving as if he has relevance.

Southside

(338 posts)

2. Very nice

Reply to winter is coming (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 11:24 PM

Oct 2013

I always thought conservative think tanks were deposits for politician wannabes , if that is the case Hatch and Heritage are a match made in heaven.

Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)

10. I know - right?

Reply to winter is coming (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 18, 2013, 12:28 AM

Oct 2013

Intellectual integrity...

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)

3. In other news - Orrin Hatch is still a Senator!

Reply to applegrove (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 11:28 PM

Oct 2013

Honestly, if you'd have put the question to me, I probably would have guessed he retired.

Has he been lost under his desk for the last couple of years?

Mass

(27,315 posts)

4. There was an heritage guy earlier on Chris Hayes explaining that nearly all the GOPers understood

Reply to applegrove (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 11:31 PM

Oct 2013

default was not an option, then he added, not Ted Yoho may be. I guess a few of these Tea Party people may have burned their bridges even with the far right groups.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)

5. At least Hatch realizes the TP is not GOP's friend and speaking out, surely there are some

Reply to applegrove (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 11:32 PM

Oct 2013

GOP who is seeing the harm. Don't get me wrong, there are very few GOP I agree with and very few issues in their platform I agree with but we need to get rid of this crazy radical TP bunch.

Rex

(65,616 posts)

6. So it is a clown on clown fight?

Reply to applegrove (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 11:33 PM

Oct 2013

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)

7. Heritage has given Boehner a time out. I kid you not. Here:

Reply to applegrove (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2013, 11:35 PM

Oct 2013

On their "Scorecard", Boehner went yesterday from a favorite to "N/A".

On the big list, he's one above Barbara Boxer! Scroll down to the zero scores: http://heritageactionscorecard.com/

http://heritageactionscorecard.com/members/member/B000589

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)

8. WTF? Wasn't ObamaCare invented by Heritage?

Reply to applegrove (Original post)

Fri Oct 18, 2013, 12:03 AM

Oct 2013

I give up. Too weird.

jsr

(7,712 posts)

14. Yep:

Reply to MannyGoldstein (Reply #8)

Fri Oct 18, 2013, 03:45 AM

Oct 2013

10/18/2011 Republican Leadership Conference debate

ROMNEY: Actually, Newt, we got the idea of an individual mandate from you.

GINGRICH: That’s not true. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.

ROMNEY: Yes, we got it from you, and you got it from the Heritage Foundation and from you.

GINGRICH: Wait a second. What you just said is not true. You did not get that from me. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.

ROMNEY: And you never supported them?

GINGRICH: I agree with them, but I’m just saying, what you said to this audience just now plain wasn’t true.

(CROSSTALK)

ROMNEY: OK. Let me ask, have you supported in the past an individual mandate?

GINGRICH: I absolutely did with the Heritage Foundation against Hillarycare.

ROMNEY: You did support an individual mandate?

ROMNEY: Oh, OK. That’s what I’m saying. We got the idea from you and the Heritage Foundation.

GINGRICH: OK. A little broader.

ROMNEY: OK.

area51

(11,911 posts)

15. Yes, the ACA was completely an invention by the Heritage Foundation

Reply to MannyGoldstein (Reply #8)

Fri Oct 18, 2013, 04:24 AM

Oct 2013

and supported wholeheartedly by Gingrich. Now the republinazi party is pretending to hate what they created.

nyquil_man

(1,443 posts)

9. Is Matthew Streit an ex-Onion writer?

Reply to applegrove (Original post)

Fri Oct 18, 2013, 12:05 AM

Oct 2013

"Heritage is fully dedicated to policy research of the utmost intellectual integrity."

applegrove

(118,696 posts)

11. I know. It is like a psychopath feining

Reply to nyquil_man (Reply #9)

Fri Oct 18, 2013, 01:03 AM

Oct 2013

outrage at some mildly bad behaviour of somebody else, all the while they do truly evil things. The better to get followers to assume the psychopath has very high limits for integrity.

bhikkhu

(10,718 posts)

12. The Obamalocalypse is coming!

Reply to nyquil_man (Reply #9)

Fri Oct 18, 2013, 01:56 AM

Oct 2013

Our utmost intellectual integrity assures you!

Cha

(297,323 posts)

13. I so remember how depressed I was on Tuesday when I

Reply to applegrove (Original post)

Fri Oct 18, 2013, 02:25 AM

Oct 2013

read the Vote was cancelled because of Heritage House sending a letter over to Boner.. I had my doubts they would raise the debt ceiling or open the Gov. Glad I was Wrong!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023858031

thanks for the update article on this, applegrove.

B Calm

(28,762 posts)

16. The GOP is trying to take back their party, but

Reply to applegrove (Original post)

Fri Oct 18, 2013, 04:29 AM

Oct 2013

it's too late. The republican party is destroyed!

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)

17. The Heritage Foundation is the sleeper agent designed to break up the Republicans

Reply to applegrove (Original post)

Fri Oct 18, 2013, 06:26 AM

Oct 2013

First, they formulate a private-health-insurance-with-mandate policy. Then they persuade a moderate Republican governor to back it. Then the Democrats take it up, and Heritage persuades the Republicans it's an awful policy, so that the one sane presidential candidate the Republicans have has to denounce his own policy, ruining his chances of getting elected president. Then, when it's been confirmed as constitutional by the Supreme Court, they persuade the Republicans to launch a suicidal "kill healthcare or the world economy gets it" ransom demand.

Few think-tanks have worked harder at bringing down the Republican party.

safeinOhio

(32,688 posts)

18. +1

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #17)

Fri Oct 18, 2013, 07:04 AM

Oct 2013

That's it in a nut shell, really nutty shell.

malaise

(269,054 posts)

19. Heritage is full of RW nut jobs

Reply to applegrove (Original post)

Fri Oct 18, 2013, 07:20 AM

Oct 2013

The lunatics are running the ReTHUG asylum led by the racist ignoramus Jim diMoron

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)

20. Heritage Action is different from Heritage Foundation, n'est-ce pas?

Reply to applegrove (Original post)

Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:28 AM

Oct 2013

Heritage Action = http://heritageaction.com

Heritage Foundation = http://www.heritage.org

I am POSITIVE the Heritage Action people named their organization to purposefully muddy and confuse the waters (it's simply what conservative think tanks love to do and do so very well), and to attempt to gain more clout faster than they might have otherwise.

I also believe that Heritage Action is a rag-tag group of individuals that is much less distinguished with the intellectual capital they have behind their doors. The intellectual heft behind the Heritage Foundation is much greater. Heritage Foundation is a well-financed, formidable enemy. I don't currently feel the same about Heritage Action.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)

21. Sister group - for tax and secrecy purposes

Reply to stillwaiting (Reply #20)

Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:47 AM

Oct 2013

Heritage Action for America, a Washington-based 501(c)(4) organization, has opened its first state operations in North Carolina and Pennsylvania to engage in grass-roots lobbying.

It has hired Jessica Anderson, the outreach coordinator for the Civitas Institute, to be its first state director.

The new group is a sister organization of the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank that has been around for decades. Heritage Action is designed to be the advocacy arm of the foundation.
...
Needham praised Anderson's "deep roots" in North Carolina politics. She has worked for the Civitas Institute since 2009 and with the Koch Associates Program at the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation for a year.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/01/11/912355/heritage-foundation-sinks-its.html

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)

22. Thanks for that! I had no idea! nt

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #21)

Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:48 AM

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