JFK Conference: Amazing Day of Information and Connecting with Good People
Thursday at "Passing the Torch: An International Symposium on the 50th Anniversary of the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy" concentrated on the evidence: medical and physical, including photograpic and acoustic information that matches up, despite what cable tee vee etc say. Speakers and their presentations included:
Larry J. Sabato: "Why the Study of the JFK Assassination Continues...and Should"
Josiah Thompson: "Last Second in Dallas: A Micro-Study of the Assassination"
Robert J. Groden: "Absolute Proof: A Photographic Analysis of the JFK Assassination"
Donald Thomas: "Double Talk: Synchronization of teh Acoustical Evidence and the JFK Assassination"
Cyril H. Wecht: "The President's Autopsy: A Forensice Pathological and Medical-Legal Critique"
Robert N. McClelland: "The View from Trauma Room One"
Two I was going to see at concercurrent times as some of the above, but a question from avaistheone reminded me of the importance of the acoustical evidence decided things for me.
Timothy A. Nicholson: "An Acoustic Analysis of Witness Reports in the JFK Assassination (A Gunman Near JFK?)"
Jeffrey Sundberg, "Imaging Properties of the Bell & Howell 414PD Camera and Impolications for Authenticity of the Zapruder Film"
The evening featured a special session at the Heinz History Center: "The JFK Assassination and the Media." Panelists included: Russ Baker, Jefferson Morley, Lisa Pease, Jerry Policoff, Oliver Stone, and David Talbot. Sally Wiggin was host.
I'll report in full when I can. Just want to say that Dr. McClelland spoke to us via computer linkup. He was one of the surgeons on duty at Parkland Memorial Hospital who treated President Kennedy.
Dr. McClelland walked into the ER a few moments after the ER physician had initially received the President. Dr. McClelland and several other surgeons and an anaesthesiologisgt tried to stabilize the President, but the head wounds were so severe -- the rear half of the right hemisphere of the cerebrum was missing. As he watched, part of the cerebullum fell out of the back of the President's skull.
The doctor was asked by a neurologist attending the conference if he had difficulty evaluating the president's wounds, seeing how the patient was facing up and the back of his head was where the worst wounds may have not been visible, or that he may have erred in his recollection based on his attention being elsewhere that day.
Dr. McClelland said: "I was about 18-inches over the President's head for about seven or eight minuts." I paid more attention to that than anything I've paid attention to in my life."
Sorry this is so bare bones. I've been going full-speed since 6 a.m. Thursday. Got to my room at 11:45 p.m. Will provide more details on this and Friday's agenda.
More than a few people I met -- panelists and attendees -- indicated the importance of DU as a Truth Machine.
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for the update as it is for now. I do hope your are gleaning info you have wanted to know. I am interested in hearing more! My father knew the Kennedy family, grew up down the road from the compound and delivered their mail and milk on Martha's Vineyard when they were all alive... Joe Jr, John, Bobby, Ted...
Just in case you hadn't heard, Caroline Kennedy was confirmed as our ambassador to Japan this week.
Can't wait to hear more.
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Of course the fact that most people recognized their greatness helps to explain why fascists like the Birchers and their ilk had to stop them. Which is also why today we're stuck with clowns like the Kochs.
More on the Kennedys (plus a poor quality video of a great speech)...
By TIMOTHY EGAN :: The New York Times
DUBLIN — Oscar Wilde still lounges, louche-like, on a boulder in Merrion Square. As always, the Liffey, a river crossed by bridges named for playwrights and patriots, lumbers its way to the sea. Grafton Street is packed with moneyed pedestrians. But Irish ayes are missing.
The Gathering, as they call this year, is a campaign backed by the government and the tourism industry to induce the clamorous clans of Erin to pay a visit here. Given that half the world is Irish and the other half wants to be, in Bill Clinton’s phrase, it’s an easy sell.
Yet, what should be a year of discovery, a diaspora of 70 million summoned to the home of their not-so-distant ancestors, is clouded by a bittersweet anniversary. Fifty years ago the last king of Ireland, President John Fitzgerald Kennedy, came to the land of his great-grandfather Patrick. A few months later, he was gone, shot by an assassin in Dallas...
Kennedy was mobbed. Over several days, he delighted a lyrical people with his wit and his one-liners. He charmed old ladies, nuns and schoolgirls. He lifted hearts by his very presence: here was the leader of the free world, the descendant of people who fled a famine that killed a million Irish. To see what time and good fortune had done to produce that youthful leader was to believe that anything was possible...
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20557
Famous Kennedy speech in New Ross in 1963 was only 300 words
Keep up the great work Octafish.
We miss you still, Jack. 
in what the Doctor who was actually there, has to say.
How exciting to be there. And how great for DU that you can report on this very important event.
Looking forward to when you have time to give us a full report. Meantime, have as much fun as you can.
...and when the jury comes back 0-6 to "leave it alone" you will have your answer.
I guess it it wasn't 0-6 then. 
before lecturing other DUers about what they should and shouldn't do.
Sid
I would keep your comments to yourself, Skippy.
Whatever, man...
So I guess you just can't decide those things.
Good college try though.
Really... you should not be so paranoid.
When I fuck up, I've admitted it (I don't like to, but, really, who does?)
When you fuck up and someone calls you out on it, you cry.
Don't cry about it.... Learn about it, BB... Unless you don't WANT to learn about it. 
... Learn?
... Where in the world does this poor individual's comment really belong ???
Goodness knows, conspiracy might be creative, but crying and insisting over and over, repeating the same thing over and over might better fall underneath something uncreative, and.... well... "special".
posting a conspiracy theory but simply an OP about a conference and who the speakers were.
It is so incredible that you are getting all this information firsthand from these experts. (I am familiar with and have read a lot about these folks and as well as their work over the years.)
I appreciate your efforts to provide us updates during the whirlwind of the symposium.
Looking forward to hearing all the details when you have a chance to unwind. Most important now is to pace yourself so you can gather as much info as possible.
for the DU Truth Machine.
K&R
It was a traumatic event & it's particularly disturbing to me that some people here believe it should be banished from general discussion. It's a part of our history, like it or not.
Thanks so much for sharing this with us, Octafish. I'm looking forward to reading more of your posts about the convention.
We're really through the looking glass now! 
Guess they forgot to pay this guy, eh?
are we to believe the entire hospital staff was part of the conspiracy with the exception of this "hero" whom the conspirators forgot to pay and somehow were unable to silence?
they can kill JFK but not this old man?
at 11:53am, exactly ten minutes before you made the remark above:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3880063
I'm not making any accusations and I accept that you had your reasons, but qu'est-ce que c'est? If this is how you feel, can you explain a bit more fully why you locked that thread?
Some would say it's because the hosts of GD are not doing a good job enforcing the SOP like they are tasked to do and instead follow their own personal biases while comparing DUers who alert on on thread that doesn't meet the SOP as "teabggers"...but who knows?
I never get anything write. Think I will go down to the local watering hole now and whet my whistle. No doubt this OP will be 600 posts long by the time I get back.
Sid
People cannot stand it that conspiracies are real and happen all the time! What tiny little worlds they must live in...and to watch so many try and deflect the JFK CT with stupid crap like the faking of the moon landing tells me they are incredibly desperate for you to shut up about JFK!
Keep swinging that big hammer Octafish...I love watching deniers foam at the mouth...it made my day and weekend!
themselves critical thinking skills. Lone gunman + planner + financier = conspiracy! It can be headache level inducing, I will admit.
EDIT - awww an Iggy just wrote to me...someone tell me what it says!
Rex has a belief. 
Oh what a world people with that viewpoint must live in...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreyfus_affair
The affair began in November 1894 with the conviction for treason of Captain Alfred Dreyfus, a young French artillery officer of Alsatian Jewish descent. Sentenced to life imprisonment for allegedly having communicated French military secrets to the German Embassy in Paris, Dreyfus was sent to the penal colony at Devil's Island in French Guiana, where he spent almost five years.
Two years later in 1896 evidence came to light identifying a French Army major named Ferdinand Walsin Esterhazy as the real culprit. After high-ranking military officials suppressed the new evidence a military court unanimously acquitted Esterhazy after the second day of his trial. The Army accused Dreyfus of additional charges based on false documents. Word of the military court's framing of Dreyfus and of an attendant cover-up began to spread, chiefly owing to J'accuse, a vehement open letter published in a Paris newspaper in January 1898 by the notable writer Émile Zola. Activists put pressure on the government to reopen the case.
In 1899, Dreyfus was returned to France for another trial. The intense political and judicial scandal that ensued divided French society between those who supported Dreyfus (now called "Dreyfusards"
, such as Anatole France, Henri Poincaré and Georges Clemenceau, and those who condemned him (the anti-Dreyfusards), such as Edouard Drumont, the director and publisher of the antisemitic newspaper La Libre Parole. The new trial resulted in another conviction and a 10-year sentence but Dreyfus was given a pardon and set free.
Eventually all the accusations against Alfred Dreyfus were demonstrated to be baseless. In 1906 Dreyfus was exonerated and reinstated as a major in the French Army. He served during the whole of World War I ending his service with the rank of Lieutenant-Colonel.
Big
She was one of the earliest, and IMHO, one of the best, investigators of the JFK assassination, and died under very mysterious circumstances on Oct. 3 of 1988.....25 years ago, the Thurs. before last. 
May she R.I.P. 
And lemme tell you, some rather mind-boggling info can indeed be found on there.
No shame in the "bare bones" delivery. There will be meat.
We look forward to your account of their accounts.
RIP JFK
Loved Brothers! When it came out I bought the hardback at an airport kiosk after visiting one brother, read it on the plane with jaw agape, then gave that copy to another brother, lol.
Now here's a funny thing: a book about the Dulles brothers named "The Brothers" is just out by Steven Kinzer of the NYT. Heard an NPR interview with him last week that tiptoed ever so gently around Bay of Pigs and didn't even mention JFK assassination. Good ol' NYT-NPR-Fresh Air. Jere's the link:
http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=234752747&m=235345305
Kinzer want us to think Dulles was suffering from "dementia" during Bay of Pigs. Gotta love that whitewash.
Anyway Octa keep up the great work!
Facts matter. History matters.
k&r
just like NIST won't release the data needed for independent scientists to submit NIST's supposed computer model of the WTC 7 free fall collapse to peer review and confirm its scientific validity. And it's all for "national security reasons" of course.
Here's another deadly conspiracy that they got away with for 25 years before it was finally outed in the 1990s. (And I would bet 99% of the US public has still never even heard about it.)
NATO’s Secret Armies published in 2004 by Swiss historian Daniele Ganser is arguably the most shocking book ever to be ignored by the mainstream consensus.
It describes in meticulously footnoted detail the existence of the so-called Gladio stay-behind networks which had been NATO’s best kept secret for forty or more years, and which briefly emerged into the daylight through a series of scandalous disclosures in Italy.
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Not only were these armies kept secret from the official governmental structures of the host countries – falling instead under the auspices of the CIA and MI6 – but compelling evidence emerged in the 90s to show that they went a long way beyond this original remit and participated in anti-democratic agitation and even terrorist atrocities.
The name Gladio, (or ‘Sword’ in Italian) was technically the name given to their operations in Italy, but has since come by extension to stand for the phenomenon as a whole. Evidence of such arrangements, which had been kept secret from both public and politicians democratically elected governments in the host countries for a quarter of a century was revealed through a series of scandalous revelations in Italy and other NATO countries during the 90s, and meticulously documented by Ganser.
The evidence contained in Ganser’s book, of terrorism directed against the people by secret armies funded and organised by NATO and answerable to NATO, MI6 and the CIA rather than the respective governments is so shocking that the initial reaction of most people would be to reject it. And yet the claims have been substantiated by juridical inquiries in Italy, Switzerland and Belgium and have been debated (and condemned) in the European Parliament.
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Operation_Gladio
I should PM you on this...
The only reason I found out you were there was when thanking Lisa Pease and mentioning DU, so apparently she saw you there.
So, at least one fine historian, author visits here, eh? 
I also asked a question near the end of Saturday, mentioning "The Fifth Estate" film that was just released.
I was able to bump gums for a LONG time with my favorite radio host - Len Osanic (Black Op Radio). Man, what a great but short time. Next year, I'm gonna be able to attend the full conference.
My take home message from Lisa was that other forms of social media (whereas DU is a little like singing to the choir) should be considered. I've really never used facebook much and definitely not Twitter... but, perhaps that format should become part of my network.
Hey, I'm gonna take you up on that, Octafish... 
Michael Kelley, provided by
Published 10:35 am, Wednesday, October 23, 2013
It's not just crackpots who question the conventional wisdom that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone when he killed President John F. Kennedy on Nov. 22, 1963.
University of Virginia professor Larry Sabato, author of "The Kennedy Half-Century: The Presidency, Assassination, and Lasting Legacy of John F. Kennedy" argues that "the chance of some sort of conspiracy involving Oswald is not insubstantial."
Sabato reached this conclusion after considering 50 years of evidence, even while also debunking a conspiracy theory put forth by a House committee in 1979.
"For all attempts to close the case as 'just Oswald,' fair-minded observers continue to be troubled by many aspects of eyewitness testimony and paper trails," he writes...
http://www.sfgate.com/technology/businessinsider/article/UVA-PROFESSOR-We-Cannot-Rule-Out-A-Conspiracy-To-4920614.php
