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mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 05:32 AM Oct 2013

MoveOn.org Petition Calls For Arrest Of Republican Leaders For Sedition

The 16-day shutdown of the federal government has finally come to an end, but many Americans are still furious about what they perceive as a GOP-sponsored gambit to defund the Affordable Care Act.

One outlet for that fury is a petition from the progressive MoveOn.org that calls for the U.S. Department of Justice to arrest and try Republican leaders, including House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (Va.) and House Speaker John Boehner (Ohio), for "the crime of seditious conspiracy against the United States of America."

The petition argues that "the House GOP leadership's use of the Hastert Rule and H. Res 368 to shut down the government and threaten the US economy with default is an attempt to extort the United States government into altering or abolishing the Affordable Care Act, and thus, is self-evidently a seditious conspiracy." (The U.S. Code defines "seditious conspiracy" in part as any conspiracy "to oppose by force the authority [of the U.S. government], or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States.&quot

With more than 21,000 signatures to date, the petition reflects a wider revulsion over the government's costly political meltdown -- which, among other consequences, resulted in furloughs for 800,000 federal workers, the shuttering of some Head Start programs, the suspension of federal health and safety inspections, and the loss of $24 billion in economic activity.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/17/moveon-petition-arrest-republicans_n_4116820.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

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MoveOn.org Petition Calls For Arrest Of Republican Leaders For Sedition (Original Post) mfcorey1 Oct 2013 OP
Signed the petition! K&R B Calm Oct 2013 #1
They didn't conspire to do it "by force", just by lies and propaganda CJCRANE Oct 2013 #2
Exactly! ColesCountyDem Oct 2013 #6
If we had actually gone over the Default Cliff, it would be open and shut Demeter Oct 2013 #8
There still would have been no 'force'. ColesCountyDem Oct 2013 #16
Define "Force". RC Oct 2013 #18
Things like this vdogg Oct 2013 #3
By giving them a pass (again) meanit Oct 2013 #15
Good start. Let's wipe out the Anti-America Tea Party! blkmusclmachine Oct 2013 #4
Not even MoveOn is supporting this petition pinboy3niner Oct 2013 #5
Welp, if they won't take it beyond ether frenzy, they're just stuck in an activity box, yet again. ancianita Oct 2013 #7
Pass. Earth_First Oct 2013 #9
we need to fight strategically daybranch Oct 2013 #14
MoveOn thanks you for adding your name to their contributions mailing list... brooklynite Oct 2013 #10
Now this is something yuiyoshida Oct 2013 #11
IMO, A.G. Holder dotymed Oct 2013 #12
I signed it. ananda Oct 2013 #13
I signed too. n/t Greybnk48 Oct 2013 #17
K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #19

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
2. They didn't conspire to do it "by force", just by lies and propaganda
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 05:43 AM
Oct 2013

so the law doesn't apply in this case IMO.

ColesCountyDem

(6,943 posts)
6. Exactly!
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 07:01 AM
Oct 2013

Sedition is even more difficult to prove than is treason. As satisfying and enjoyable as the spectacle might be, it's a virtual certainty that the judge would enter a judgment of acquittal at the end of the government's case.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
8. If we had actually gone over the Default Cliff, it would be open and shut
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 07:38 AM
Oct 2013

which I'm sure the Administration pointed out, frequently. (Hell, I would have!)

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
18. Define "Force".
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:04 AM
Oct 2013

Just because they did not poke holes in people or make separate body parts of anyone, does not mean no force was used.

vdogg

(1,384 posts)
3. Things like this
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 06:31 AM
Oct 2013

Are unhelpful IMO. It makes our side seem extreme and I would rather the public stay focused on the extremism of the right. If nobody went to jail for lying us into Iraq you know damn well nothing will come of this.

meanit

(455 posts)
15. By giving them a pass (again)
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:39 AM
Oct 2013

it also makes the GOP / Tea Party action look less extreme and more like "business as usual."

Of course it will most likely go nowhere, but who cares? It reinforces the correct perception that TP is criminally unfit to govern.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
5. Not even MoveOn is supporting this petition
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 06:39 AM
Oct 2013

The disclaimer posted there:

MoveOn volunteers reviewed this petition and determined that it may not reflect MoveOn members' progressive values. MoveOn will not promote the petition beyond hosting it on our site.


ancianita

(36,091 posts)
7. Welp, if they won't take it beyond ether frenzy, they're just stuck in an activity box, yet again.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 07:26 AM
Oct 2013

Not hating; just questioning why some legal team shouldn't file charges. Do politicians enjoy immunity from public sedition suits?

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
9. Pass.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 07:44 AM
Oct 2013

I will instead work steadily forward to ensure that those responsible are removed from office in a method that has proven much more effective in an effort that espouses democratic and progressive foundations: at the polls.

daybranch

(1,309 posts)
14. we need to fight strategically
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:32 AM
Oct 2013

Everyday I get something from a well respected and motivated civic organization to take part in some march, gather for a protest, write a letter, sign petitions, collect signatures, make phone calls to voters, call my representatives etc. , But this is often futile. A famous poet wrote that evil grows many branches and to destroy it , we must not just hack at the branches but attack the root.
Today we can argue that there are numerous roots supporting he evil,. Is it Gerrymandering, by the parties? Is it voters suppression by limiting access to the polls? Is it voter disenfranchisement by requiring the old , the poor, and the handicapped to take steps such as getting voter identification? Is it not allowing easy access to the polls for the working poor? Is it the lack of Journalistic integrity which contributes to an unaware or mislead electorate? Is it corporate money and the money of millionaires and billionaires bribing hated plutocracy which runs our government and our economy and many more around the world, our politiicans to ignore the needs of the people whether it be by direct contribution, idea selling, or promises to oppose them. It is all of these things and they have synergistically led to an antidemocratic plutocracy which runs our government, our economy and many other government and economies around the world.
But we can beat this evil if we cut off its roots. The cutting of just one root weakens the foundation because it weakens the other roots too. For example if we get rid of Gerrymandering , we weaken the ability of money to bribe our officials and make them accountable for other issues. Of the roots, fighting Gerrymandering is the best first step and we must fight it in order to use the polls.

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
10. MoveOn thanks you for adding your name to their contributions mailing list...
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 07:48 AM
Oct 2013

...and you realize that this "petition" won't have any impact at all, right?

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
12. IMO, A.G. Holder
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 07:55 AM
Oct 2013

could have and still should arrest and prosecute those responsible for harming America. Of course it won't happen.

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