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Atman

(31,464 posts)
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:46 AM Oct 2013

How is it difficult to "find time to pray?"

Who is this guy on Morning Shmoe? Father O'Brien, saying we need more prayer in government, in schools, in our businesses, because it's so difficult to "find time to pray." Hey, father...if you're driving to work, alone in you car...PRAY. If you're sitting at your desk at work, PRAY. Why do you have to bring everyone else into it? Pray, or don't pray. I'm not a prayer guy, why do I need to deal with your prayer circle at my place of work or at a basketball game, etc? If you want to pray, PRAY. Do you need a group to validate it for you?






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How is it difficult to "find time to pray?" (Original Post) Atman Oct 2013 OP
Such a cop-out get the red out Oct 2013 #1
Exactly. Atman Oct 2013 #2
You won the thread with the first reply. Scuba Oct 2013 #15
Matthew 6:6 Father O'Brien. Read it. Learn it. MineralMan Oct 2013 #3
I love tossing that at them:) Squinch Oct 2013 #5
Ask the question - Who's prayer? liberal N proud Oct 2013 #4
I always ask them if "I" can pick the prayer. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #10
It might be that "two or more gathered" annabanana Oct 2013 #6
That's what I don't get. Atman Oct 2013 #7
Don't ever pray and drive. randome Oct 2013 #8
Breathing is praying antiquie Oct 2013 #9
yep . . .n/t annabanana Oct 2013 #13
That's when I feel most in need of prayer. winter is coming Oct 2013 #16
The only way his church gets paid is if people do it together. Barack_America Oct 2013 #11
He needs to make a picture of himself and his kids wearing halos and angel wings... Silent3 Oct 2013 #12
It EXTREMELY difficult to find time to pray TlalocW Oct 2013 #14
Actually, the Bible says it's preferred to pray in private, not in public woodsprite Oct 2013 #17
+6:1-34 Atman Oct 2013 #18
Replace "pray" with "masturbate" in the OP and his idea actually makes MORE sense. JBoy Oct 2013 #19
I can always find time time to masturbate. Atman Oct 2013 #20
Praying is a worthless exercise, akin to talking to oneself scheming daemons Oct 2013 #21
But Congress starts with prayers, sports start with prayers... Atman Oct 2013 #24
He means pray so others can see him. It doesn't count to them unless others see them. Lex Oct 2013 #22
"Do you need a group to validate it for you?" Of course they do. Kurska Oct 2013 #23
Validation - exactly what he needs fadedrose Oct 2013 #25

get the red out

(13,466 posts)
1. Such a cop-out
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:50 AM
Oct 2013

People love to use the "we need prayer in schools etc.." as a cop out on improving society because that might involve money or actual effort.

They also fully expect those prayers be done in a way their particular faith would see fit, in other words, indoctrination.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
2. Exactly.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:51 AM
Oct 2013

Try giving a Muslim prayer in your elementary school classroom...see how long you'd last in the PTA.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
10. I always ask them if "I" can pick the prayer.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:07 AM
Oct 2013

And if not me, who picks?

"I don't want some liberal atheist union school teacher leading my kids in prayer. I want to pick so I can make sure that the only prayers my kids hear are the right ones. I don't want them upsetting their God Zeus."

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
6. It might be that "two or more gathered"
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:56 AM
Oct 2013

thingy . .

I think, If he's listening at all he can pretty much hear anything . .out loud or to yourself

Atman

(31,464 posts)
7. That's what I don't get.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:58 AM
Oct 2013

"If he's listening at all..."

It's like when a town is ripped apart by a tornado and someone survives..."IT'S A MIRACLE!" Actually, no...it's not a miracle. Seems to me a loving God wouldn't have ripped your town apart with a tornado in the first place. Maybe if you'd been praying at the school basketball game...

I just don't get it.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
8. Don't ever pray and drive.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:03 AM
Oct 2013

When under the influence of prayer, do not operate heavy machinery.

Do not attempt to pray and chew gum at the same time.
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winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
16. That's when I feel most in need of prayer.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:36 AM
Oct 2013

Although maybe telling God to smite the asshole who just cut me off isn't exactly prayer...

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
11. The only way his church gets paid is if people do it together.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:09 AM
Oct 2013

Encouraging people to go it alone is bad for business.

Silent3

(15,220 posts)
12. He needs to make a picture of himself and his kids wearing halos and angel wings...
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:10 AM
Oct 2013

...blissfully floating in Heaven, captioned "What's your excuse?"

TlalocW

(15,384 posts)
14. It EXTREMELY difficult to find time to pray
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:47 AM
Oct 2013

You have to go and get a bunch more people, get a news crew (hopefully TV but print media will do in a pinch), dress up in your nicest suit, find a photogenic place to pray in front of, practice your solemn, pious face, warm up your speaking voice, etc.

IT'S HARD WORK!

TlalocW

woodsprite

(11,916 posts)
17. Actually, the Bible says it's preferred to pray in private, not in public
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:46 AM
Oct 2013

I tend to think about this when we're doing congregational prayers in church.
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Matthew 6:1-34 ESV
“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. ...

Matthew 6:6 ESV
But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

Matthew 6:5 ESV
“And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.

Matthew 6 ESV
“And when you pray, do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do, for they think that they will be heard for their many words.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
20. I can always find time time to masturbate.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:32 AM
Oct 2013

Except in the car. That's more dangerous than texting.

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
21. Praying is a worthless exercise, akin to talking to oneself
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:33 AM
Oct 2013

And has no value or impact on the world around us.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
24. But Congress starts with prayers, sports start with prayers...
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:37 AM
Oct 2013

I don't get it at all. God is not watching over wars and killing and death...but he's checking out basketball games and morning rituals in elementary school. How does this make sense to otherwise intelligent people, many of them even here on DU?

Lex

(34,108 posts)
22. He means pray so others can see him. It doesn't count to them unless others see them.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:35 AM
Oct 2013

Which is kind of the opposite of what Jesus said to do.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
23. "Do you need a group to validate it for you?" Of course they do.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:35 AM
Oct 2013

My lord, what is the point of praying if everyone can't see you do it and know how holy and righteous you are?

It isn't like jesus told people to pray in their own home or that showing off your prayer is the opposite of being a good christian.



fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
25. Validation - exactly what he needs
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:40 AM
Oct 2013

and the need to be "in charge" to some degree...

He's free to pray his head off. Prayer is between a prayer and his god, not for show or bragging rights.

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