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highplainsdem

(49,002 posts)
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:38 AM Oct 2013

Inside the Fox News lie machine: Salon contributor Eric Stern fact-checks Sean Hannity on Obamacare

Great article. Stern fact-checked Hannity by personally contacting three couples Hannity claimed had been harmed by Obamacare, and finding out how baseless those claims were.

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/18/inside_the_fox_news_lie_machine_i_fact_checked_sean_hannity_on_obamacare/

First I spoke with Paul Cox of Leicester, N.C. He and his wife Michelle had lamented to Hannity that because of Obamacare, they can’t grow their construction business and they have kept their employees below a certain number of hours, so that they are part-timers.

Obamacare has no effect on businesses with 49 employees or less. But in our brief conversation on the phone, Paul revealed that he has only four employees. Why the cutback on his workforce? “Well,” he said, “I haven’t been forced to do so, it’s just that I’ve chosen to do so. I have to deal with increased costs.” What costs? And how, I asked him, is any of it due to Obamacare? There was a long pause, after which he said he’d call me back. He never did.

-snip-

Next I called Allison Denijs. She’d told Hannity that she pays over $13,000 a year in premiums. Like the other guests, she said she had recently gotten a letter from Blue Cross saying that her policy was being terminated and a new, ACA-compliant policy would take its place. She says this shows that Obama lied when he promised Americans that we could keep our existing policies.

Allison’s husband left his job a few years ago, one with benefits at a big company, to start his own business. Since then they’ve been buying insurance on the open market, and are now paying around $1,100 a month for a policy with a $2,500 deductible per family member, with hefty annual premium hikes. One of their two children is not covered under the policy. She has a preexisting condition that would require purchasing additional coverage for $800 a month, which would bring the family’s grand total to $19,000 a year.

I asked Allison if she’d shopped on the exchange, to see what a plan might cost under the new law. She said she hadn’t done so because she’d heard the website was not working. Would she try it out when it’s up and running? Perhaps, she said. She told me she has long opposed Obamacare, and that the president should have focused on tort reform as a solution to bringing down the price of healthcare.

I tried an experiment and shopped on the exchange for Allison and Kurt. Assuming they don’t smoke and have a household income too high to be eligible for subsidies, I found that they would be able to get a plan for around $7,600, which would include coverage for their uninsured daughter. This would be about a 60 percent reduction from what they would have to pay on the pre-Obamacare market.

-snip-

Finally, I called Robbie and Tina Robison from Franklin, Tenn. Robbie is self-employed as a Christian youth motivational speaker. (You can see his work here.) On Hannity, the couple said that they, too, were recently notified that their Blue Cross policy would be expiring for lack of ACA compliance. They told Hannity that the replacement plans Blue Cross was offering would come with a rate increase of 50 percent or even 75 percent, and that the new offerings would contain all sorts of benefits they don’t need, like maternity care, pediatric care, prenatal care and so forth. Their kids are grown and moved out, so why should they be forced to pay extra for a health plan with superfluous features?

When I spoke to Robbie, he said he and Tina have been paying a little over $800 a month for their plan, about $10,000 a year. And the ACA-compliant policy will cost 50-75 percent more? They said this information was related to them by their insurance agent.

Had they shopped on the exchange yet, I asked? No, Tina said, nor would they. They oppose Obamacare and want nothing to do with it. Fair enough, but they should know that I found a plan for them for, at most, $3,700 a year, a 63 percent less than their current bill. It might cover things that they don’t need, but so does every insurance policy.

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Inside the Fox News lie machine: Salon contributor Eric Stern fact-checks Sean Hannity on Obamacare (Original Post) highplainsdem Oct 2013 OP
K & R. n/t FSogol Oct 2013 #1
Great article! I hope he tells the two families what he found on the exchanges, and then Squinch Oct 2013 #2
I hope he contacts the families, but I doubt they'll sign on. RVN VET Oct 2013 #15
I don't know. Save them hundreds a month, and I think they'll sign. They won't admit Squinch Oct 2013 #16
Possibly. But I never underestimate the self-sustaining power of ignorance. RVN VET Oct 2013 #18
True. But then I'm OK with the suffering. Squinch Oct 2013 #21
Agreed. RVN VET Oct 2013 #35
Snicker. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #44
True BLISS feels SO good Plucketeer Oct 2013 #28
Investigative journalism is not dead yet! randome Oct 2013 #3
Would be nice to see those folks go on the Ed Schultz show rurallib Oct 2013 #4
Fat chance. Jamaal510 Oct 2013 #37
If Hannity was to stop lying, what would he do on his show? LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #5
^^THIS^^ Lochloosa Oct 2013 #6
He would die form Terminal Smug. Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #33
How do you know when Hannity is lying? Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #45
How does FOX stay on the air! Seriously, the entire network should be an FCC violation. nt aaaaaa5a Oct 2013 #7
Supreme Court ruled Fox can make up their news lobodons Oct 2013 #22
OK do you know the name of that law or regulation that used to be on the books Maraya1969 Oct 2013 #42
I only know that the Supreme Court's decision was based on a suit kentauros Oct 2013 #51
They claim they are News/Entertainment.... kinda like the supermarket rags. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #46
Big surprise. Lying shit Hannity had three lying shits on his show. Hong Kong Cavalier Oct 2013 #8
The attitude of that last couple is simultaneously maddening and laughable. JBoy Oct 2013 #9
This one needs to be passed JustAnotherGen Oct 2013 #10
indeed - I just posted on Facebook - I hope everyone does Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #12
Yes! If I were on Facebook, I'd be all over that. Sadly, I'm just emailing it. Squinch Oct 2013 #17
I just emailed the article to friends and relatives. Elwood P Dowd Oct 2013 #29
the degree of conscious intentional lying that the lie machine does is breath taking Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #11
stupid is as stupid does SHRED Oct 2013 #13
They don't want to upset their unreal world view even if it costs them big bucks to maintain it. nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #20
The not bothering to shop on the exchanges SheilaT Oct 2013 #14
"Low-information people" Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #23
I've noticed that can happen NewJeffCT Oct 2013 #26
Bias Confirmation maxsolomon Oct 2013 #31
Purity of their ignorance. Ouch. It fits, but it's very sad when you think about it. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #47
+1 Can't rec and kick and bookmark this OP enough. Thank you! nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #19
Do Robbie & Tina know NewJeffCT Oct 2013 #24
This brand of willful, stubborn stupidity just amazes me rivegauche Oct 2013 #25
K&R with Text.. busterbrown Oct 2013 #27
LOL Scurrilous Oct 2013 #30
Were I a betting man, I would give 20 to 1 odds that Robbie and Tina Robison were fervent indepat Oct 2013 #32
K & R. Thanks. n/t Judi Lynn Oct 2013 #34
K&R n/t Martin Eden Oct 2013 #36
SOunds like some here at DU trumad Oct 2013 #38
k&r n/t RainDog Oct 2013 #39
That first guy is doing just what I suspected Curmudgeoness Oct 2013 #40
You know what is funny? Hannity couldn't find someone with more than 4 employees to lie on TV. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #48
So, I may have printed off multiple copies... TxDemChem Oct 2013 #41
Naughty Employee -- GOOD DEM Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #49
Yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed it TxDemChem Oct 2013 #52
For some reason that makes me think of that 70's cartoon The Thunderbirds Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #54
That would be me. TxDemChem Oct 2013 #60
LOL bad boy.... blue14u Oct 2013 #56
Fox News fact-checks to make sure none get through. JEFF9K Oct 2013 #43
Double Take.... yup that's what he said all right. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #50
The FOX version of "checking" facts is the same as "checking" in Hockey, it's a defensive move Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #55
Fantastic video!!! blue14u Oct 2013 #57
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #53
K&R regnaD kciN Oct 2013 #58
another k&r RainDog Oct 2013 #59
conservatives are mentally and morally bankrupt Doctor_J Oct 2013 #61

Squinch

(50,955 posts)
2. Great article! I hope he tells the two families what he found on the exchanges, and then
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:49 AM
Oct 2013

interviews them about what they think of Obamacare after they know.

And I think we should cling like barnacles to the name "Obamacare." In a few years, it will cost countless Republicans seats in government.

RVN VET

(492 posts)
15. I hope he contacts the families, but I doubt they'll sign on.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:59 AM
Oct 2013

These people hate ACA because, you know, Black President. I don't care how they phrase their opposition, it's pure and simple white racist hatred. And they'll sacrifice their own health -- and their children's health -- before they cave in to logic and compassion.

As for Hannity, he's made millions of dollars lying for hours each day. Pigs roll around in slop and excrement, so Hannity in lies. (Ah, but you can wash a pig.)

Squinch

(50,955 posts)
16. I don't know. Save them hundreds a month, and I think they'll sign. They won't admit
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 12:01 PM
Oct 2013

they're signing, but they'll sign.

RVN VET

(492 posts)
18. Possibly. But I never underestimate the self-sustaining power of ignorance.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 12:10 PM
Oct 2013

They might sign up if some white GOP politicians start suggesting that parts of ACA are OK because, after all, Mitt Romney!

But I totally agree that, if they do sign up, they'll never admit it.

Squinch

(50,955 posts)
21. True. But then I'm OK with the suffering.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 12:18 PM
Oct 2013

And you know that within a year or two, they will be Mitt Romneying all over this. Which is why I think we should stubbornly cling to the term "Obamacare."

RVN VET

(492 posts)
35. Agreed.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 04:21 PM
Oct 2013

The success of the program will be even more galling to the enemy if it is everywhere known as "Obamacare."

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
3. Investigative journalism is not dead yet!
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:51 AM
Oct 2013

[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

rurallib

(62,423 posts)
4. Would be nice to see those folks go on the Ed Schultz show
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:00 AM
Oct 2013

and have the ACA numbers presented to them on the air by the writer.
Then they could have a discussion concerning the costs and coverage.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
37. Fat chance.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:05 PM
Oct 2013

I remember Ed couldn't even get Bachmann to ever come on his show after calling out for somthing crazy she said. Republicans can certainly dish it out, but they're afraid of a challenge.

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
45. How do you know when Hannity is lying?
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 12:36 AM
Oct 2013

His lips are moving.



I know it's an oldie, but it's SO TRUE I could not resist.



 

lobodons

(1,290 posts)
22. Supreme Court ruled Fox can make up their news
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 12:19 PM
Oct 2013

The Supreme Court has ruled that Fox News can make up their own news not based on fact or reality.

Maraya1969

(22,483 posts)
42. OK do you know the name of that law or regulation that used to be on the books
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 12:03 AM
Oct 2013

that is now gone? It would be great if we got control of the house again to put that law back on the books. Imagine how much smarter our country would be.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
51. I only know that the Supreme Court's decision was based on a suit
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 12:54 AM
Oct 2013

that Fox started against two Florida reporters (at a Fox affiliate) because they had done an investigative report on Monsanto and GMOs or Round-Up. (sorry for the run-on sentence.)

Okay, I got that wrong about being from the Supreme Court, as Daily Kos points out in detail here. (It's a short read.)

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
46. They claim they are News/Entertainment.... kinda like the supermarket rags.
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 12:38 AM
Oct 2013

MIB Hot Sheets

Alien abductions and Obama's lost weekend.

JBoy

(8,021 posts)
9. The attitude of that last couple is simultaneously maddening and laughable.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:06 AM
Oct 2013
Had they shopped on the exchange yet, I asked? No, Tina said, nor would they. They oppose Obamacare and want nothing to do with it.


OK, fine. Have fun wasting your money.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
10. This one needs to be passed
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:06 AM
Oct 2013

Around on all of our social networks for those that do social networks. Kick and Rec

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
11. the degree of conscious intentional lying that the lie machine does is breath taking
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:30 AM
Oct 2013

no doubt it would be possible to write a rational and reality based critique of Obamacare from a conservative perspective. No doubt it would be possible to find some flaws in the ACA system. But that would be boring. They just have to make stuff up.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
14. The not bothering to shop on the exchanges
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:49 AM
Oct 2013

because they've been told it would be more expensive is so typical of so many people, especially low information people.

Over and over again someone will say to me, "They say . . ." something or another. Who is they? What was their source for the information?

I know a young man who is probably about 22 and he seems to get all of his information from you tube, of all places. I'm working on getting him to understand that as interesting and fun as you tube can be, it completely unmediated and anyone could put any information they want on there and so he needs to be very carefully about what he sees there.

I'm trying to figure out how to get him to more reliable sources and so far can't quite figure it out. I don't think he reads. At least he doesn't seem to watch or listen to the right-wing commentators. I have suggested a local radio station (in Santa Fe) where he can listen to Amy Goodman and the BBC, but the weird stuff is of course more appealing.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
26. I've noticed that can happen
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 12:29 PM
Oct 2013

I remember back when Al Franken was on Air America. He would have a Dittohead friend of his on the air every week and Al would debunk what the Dittohead friend heard on Rush over the past week. However, no matter how many times Franken debunked Rush, the guy still listened to Rush. Finally, Al said that he'd give his buddy a certain length of time (I think it was a month) to find anything true on Rush's show related to politics. The guy couldn't do it, and finally admitted to Al that he didn't listen to Rush for honesty, he listened because Rush said what he wanted to hear and he said it how he wanted it said.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
31. Bias Confirmation
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 01:12 PM
Oct 2013

is the Genius of FoxNews.

Decipimur Specie Recti - We are decieved by the semblance of truth.

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
47. Purity of their ignorance. Ouch. It fits, but it's very sad when you think about it.
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 12:39 AM
Oct 2013

Like white supremacists.

Under all that bluster, they are just plain ass afraid of black folk.


NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
24. Do Robbie & Tina know
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 12:23 PM
Oct 2013

that if they're paying $10,000/year, their old plan probably covered a lot of those same things. They might have glanced over that section of the coverage because their children are grown and have moved out, though.

rivegauche

(601 posts)
25. This brand of willful, stubborn stupidity just amazes me
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 12:28 PM
Oct 2013

WTF is wrong with these people?? It simply astounds me. Why is it so completely impossible for them to think past their bigotry? Why is is such a terrible shame to them to be proven wrong and find out that it's a good thing? I will NEVER understand repukes.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
27. K&R with Text..
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 12:31 PM
Oct 2013

Fucking Liars....We need this to stay on top of the page for 3 months..The roll out of Obamacare has epic implications for all of us...If I was a Progressive Koch type... I would fund this guy for a year to stay on top of the ACA lies..

Going to Salon right now to support him...

indepat

(20,899 posts)
32. Were I a betting man, I would give 20 to 1 odds that Robbie and Tina Robison were fervent
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 01:24 PM
Oct 2013

worshipers of and believers in Jesus and Rep. Masha Blackburn (R-TN). It's amazing how much the MSM media run with lies/help fabricate lies. Were the MSM both truthful and did not perpetuate right-wing lies, this non-betting man would bet Republicans would lose at least 25-35% of their seats in state house, state legislatures, and in both houses of Congress. Were this a just world, bet there would be a lot of hanging going on.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
40. That first guy is doing just what I suspected
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:15 PM
Oct 2013

that a lot of teabagger bosses are doing. They are either intentionally cutting employee hours just to make a point, or they are cutting hours because their business is not doing well and they are making Obamacare the excuse when it isn't.

I also believe that this is just a temper tantrum by these people, and that they will not do it for long if it will really hurt their businesses. They are like a self-fulfilling prophecy, undermining Obamacare with their actions in the hope that their actions will prove that the ACA will not work.

TxDemChem

(1,918 posts)
41. So, I may have printed off multiple copies...
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:36 PM
Oct 2013

And left them in various places around our lab and offices. I also may have sent a few extra non-descript print jobs to our area printer, so no one would know it was me. And I may have deleted my cookies and visited a bunch of extraneous websites before and after my printing to bury my web visit in a long list of innocuous websites to make it more difficult to catch me (they're under-staffed).

I may have helped eradicate some bullshit conversations that would have taken ace on Monday.

I may have been a naughty dem today.

TxDemChem

(1,918 posts)
52. Yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed it
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 12:59 AM
Oct 2013

Next week, I may print out more copies from another coworker's login. I've said for 5 years that they really ought to log out before they walk away from a PC. Oh well, what's a girl like me to do with such opportunities? (In my best British accent)

TxDemChem

(1,918 posts)
60. That would be me.
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 02:57 AM
Oct 2013

That look in her eye is the same look I gave hubby after I got home. He havee a disparaging look with a smirk. That tells me I've been bad, but he finds it so good.

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
50. Double Take.... yup that's what he said all right.
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 12:44 AM
Oct 2013
I watch Fox. Whaddya mean I'm spelling it wrong?


FAUX News NO FACTS are good enough for our audience, so we just skip them.



Uncle Joe

(58,365 posts)
55. The FOX version of "checking" facts is the same as "checking" in Hockey, it's a defensive move
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 01:21 AM
Oct 2013

against the facts.

blue14u

(575 posts)
57. Fantastic video!!!
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 01:48 AM
Oct 2013

Yes faux= all lies all the time..

I want to punch Hannity in the nose when I happen to see him...

Can't stand him!!!!

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
59. another k&r
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 02:48 AM
Oct 2013

this is an important story and people need to read this.

Republicans are lying to people and people are lying to themselves.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
61. conservatives are mentally and morally bankrupt
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 07:41 AM
Oct 2013

They are stupid brainwashed liars who have destroyed the greatest country ever

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