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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsInside the Fox News lie machine: Salon contributor Eric Stern fact-checks Sean Hannity on Obamacare
Great article. Stern fact-checked Hannity by personally contacting three couples Hannity claimed had been harmed by Obamacare, and finding out how baseless those claims were.
http://www.salon.com/2013/10/18/inside_the_fox_news_lie_machine_i_fact_checked_sean_hannity_on_obamacare/
First I spoke with Paul Cox of Leicester, N.C. He and his wife Michelle had lamented to Hannity that because of Obamacare, they cant grow their construction business and they have kept their employees below a certain number of hours, so that they are part-timers.
Obamacare has no effect on businesses with 49 employees or less. But in our brief conversation on the phone, Paul revealed that he has only four employees. Why the cutback on his workforce? Well, he said, I havent been forced to do so, its just that Ive chosen to do so. I have to deal with increased costs. What costs? And how, I asked him, is any of it due to Obamacare? There was a long pause, after which he said hed call me back. He never did.
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Next I called Allison Denijs. Shed told Hannity that she pays over $13,000 a year in premiums. Like the other guests, she said she had recently gotten a letter from Blue Cross saying that her policy was being terminated and a new, ACA-compliant policy would take its place. She says this shows that Obama lied when he promised Americans that we could keep our existing policies.
Allisons husband left his job a few years ago, one with benefits at a big company, to start his own business. Since then theyve been buying insurance on the open market, and are now paying around $1,100 a month for a policy with a $2,500 deductible per family member, with hefty annual premium hikes. One of their two children is not covered under the policy. She has a preexisting condition that would require purchasing additional coverage for $800 a month, which would bring the familys grand total to $19,000 a year.
I asked Allison if shed shopped on the exchange, to see what a plan might cost under the new law. She said she hadnt done so because shed heard the website was not working. Would she try it out when its up and running? Perhaps, she said. She told me she has long opposed Obamacare, and that the president should have focused on tort reform as a solution to bringing down the price of healthcare.
I tried an experiment and shopped on the exchange for Allison and Kurt. Assuming they dont smoke and have a household income too high to be eligible for subsidies, I found that they would be able to get a plan for around $7,600, which would include coverage for their uninsured daughter. This would be about a 60 percent reduction from what they would have to pay on the pre-Obamacare market.
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Finally, I called Robbie and Tina Robison from Franklin, Tenn. Robbie is self-employed as a Christian youth motivational speaker. (You can see his work here.) On Hannity, the couple said that they, too, were recently notified that their Blue Cross policy would be expiring for lack of ACA compliance. They told Hannity that the replacement plans Blue Cross was offering would come with a rate increase of 50 percent or even 75 percent, and that the new offerings would contain all sorts of benefits they dont need, like maternity care, pediatric care, prenatal care and so forth. Their kids are grown and moved out, so why should they be forced to pay extra for a health plan with superfluous features?
When I spoke to Robbie, he said he and Tina have been paying a little over $800 a month for their plan, about $10,000 a year. And the ACA-compliant policy will cost 50-75 percent more? They said this information was related to them by their insurance agent.
Had they shopped on the exchange yet, I asked? No, Tina said, nor would they. They oppose Obamacare and want nothing to do with it. Fair enough, but they should know that I found a plan for them for, at most, $3,700 a year, a 63 percent less than their current bill. It might cover things that they dont need, but so does every insurance policy.
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FSogol
(45,488 posts)Squinch
(50,955 posts)interviews them about what they think of Obamacare after they know.
And I think we should cling like barnacles to the name "Obamacare." In a few years, it will cost countless Republicans seats in government.
RVN VET
(492 posts)These people hate ACA because, you know, Black President. I don't care how they phrase their opposition, it's pure and simple white racist hatred. And they'll sacrifice their own health -- and their children's health -- before they cave in to logic and compassion.
As for Hannity, he's made millions of dollars lying for hours each day. Pigs roll around in slop and excrement, so Hannity in lies. (Ah, but you can wash a pig.)
Squinch
(50,955 posts)they're signing, but they'll sign.
RVN VET
(492 posts)They might sign up if some white GOP politicians start suggesting that parts of ACA are OK because, after all, Mitt Romney!
But I totally agree that, if they do sign up, they'll never admit it.
Squinch
(50,955 posts)And you know that within a year or two, they will be Mitt Romneying all over this. Which is why I think we should stubbornly cling to the term "Obamacare."
The success of the program will be even more galling to the enemy if it is everywhere known as "Obamacare."
Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)Hopefully.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)and these rubes probably feel great
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randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]
rurallib
(62,423 posts)and have the ACA numbers presented to them on the air by the writer.
Then they could have a discussion concerning the costs and coverage.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)I remember Ed couldn't even get Bachmann to ever come on his show after calling out for somthing crazy she said. Republicans can certainly dish it out, but they're afraid of a challenge.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)It would simply be dead air.
Lochloosa
(16,066 posts)Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)The only way to avoid dying from Smug is to lie your ass off.
Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)His lips are moving.
I know it's an oldie, but it's SO TRUE I could not resist.
aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)lobodons
(1,290 posts)The Supreme Court has ruled that Fox News can make up their own news not based on fact or reality.
Maraya1969
(22,483 posts)that is now gone? It would be great if we got control of the house again to put that law back on the books. Imagine how much smarter our country would be.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)that Fox started against two Florida reporters (at a Fox affiliate) because they had done an investigative report on Monsanto and GMOs or Round-Up. (sorry for the run-on sentence.)
Okay, I got that wrong about being from the Supreme Court, as Daily Kos points out in detail here. (It's a short read.)
Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)MIB Hot Sheets
Alien abductions and Obama's lost weekend.
Hong Kong Cavalier
(4,573 posts)Sad, pathetic maggots, all of them.
JBoy
(8,021 posts)OK, fine. Have fun wasting your money.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Around on all of our social networks for those that do social networks. Kick and Rec
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)Squinch
(50,955 posts)Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)Hope this story goes viral.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)no doubt it would be possible to write a rational and reality based critique of Obamacare from a conservative perspective. No doubt it would be possible to find some flaws in the ACA system. But that would be boring. They just have to make stuff up.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)These people are dumber than a bag of hammers.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,005 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)because they've been told it would be more expensive is so typical of so many people, especially low information people.
Over and over again someone will say to me, "They say . . ." something or another. Who is they? What was their source for the information?
I know a young man who is probably about 22 and he seems to get all of his information from you tube, of all places. I'm working on getting him to understand that as interesting and fun as you tube can be, it completely unmediated and anyone could put any information they want on there and so he needs to be very carefully about what he sees there.
I'm trying to figure out how to get him to more reliable sources and so far can't quite figure it out. I don't think he reads. At least he doesn't seem to watch or listen to the right-wing commentators. I have suggested a local radio station (in Santa Fe) where he can listen to Amy Goodman and the BBC, but the weird stuff is of course more appealing.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)will go to great lengths to maintain the purity of their ignorance.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I remember back when Al Franken was on Air America. He would have a Dittohead friend of his on the air every week and Al would debunk what the Dittohead friend heard on Rush over the past week. However, no matter how many times Franken debunked Rush, the guy still listened to Rush. Finally, Al said that he'd give his buddy a certain length of time (I think it was a month) to find anything true on Rush's show related to politics. The guy couldn't do it, and finally admitted to Al that he didn't listen to Rush for honesty, he listened because Rush said what he wanted to hear and he said it how he wanted it said.
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)is the Genius of FoxNews.
Decipimur Specie Recti - We are decieved by the semblance of truth.
Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)Like white supremacists.
Under all that bluster, they are just plain ass afraid of black folk.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,005 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)that if they're paying $10,000/year, their old plan probably covered a lot of those same things. They might have glanced over that section of the coverage because their children are grown and have moved out, though.
rivegauche
(601 posts)WTF is wrong with these people?? It simply astounds me. Why is it so completely impossible for them to think past their bigotry? Why is is such a terrible shame to them to be proven wrong and find out that it's a good thing? I will NEVER understand repukes.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)Fucking Liars....We need this to stay on top of the page for 3 months..The roll out of Obamacare has epic implications for all of us...If I was a Progressive Koch type... I would fund this guy for a year to stay on top of the ACA lies..
Going to Salon right now to support him...
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)indepat
(20,899 posts)worshipers of and believers in Jesus and Rep. Masha Blackburn (R-TN). It's amazing how much the MSM media run with lies/help fabricate lies. Were the MSM both truthful and did not perpetuate right-wing lies, this non-betting man would bet Republicans would lose at least 25-35% of their seats in state house, state legislatures, and in both houses of Congress. Were this a just world, bet there would be a lot of hanging going on.
Judi Lynn
(160,545 posts)Martin Eden
(12,870 posts)trumad
(41,692 posts)RainDog
(28,784 posts)Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)that a lot of teabagger bosses are doing. They are either intentionally cutting employee hours just to make a point, or they are cutting hours because their business is not doing well and they are making Obamacare the excuse when it isn't.
I also believe that this is just a temper tantrum by these people, and that they will not do it for long if it will really hurt their businesses. They are like a self-fulfilling prophecy, undermining Obamacare with their actions in the hope that their actions will prove that the ACA will not work.
Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)TxDemChem
(1,918 posts)And left them in various places around our lab and offices. I also may have sent a few extra non-descript print jobs to our area printer, so no one would know it was me. And I may have deleted my cookies and visited a bunch of extraneous websites before and after my printing to bury my web visit in a long list of innocuous websites to make it more difficult to catch me (they're under-staffed).
I may have helped eradicate some bullshit conversations that would have taken ace on Monday.
I may have been a naughty dem today.
Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)TxDemChem
(1,918 posts)Next week, I may print out more copies from another coworker's login. I've said for 5 years that they really ought to log out before they walk away from a PC. Oh well, what's a girl like me to do with such opportunities? (In my best British accent)
Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)LADY P their British contact/spy.
http://www.tv.com/shows/thunderbirds/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057790/
TxDemChem
(1,918 posts)That look in her eye is the same look I gave hubby after I got home. He havee a disparaging look with a smirk. That tells me I've been bad, but he finds it so good.
blue14u
(575 posts)love it!!!
JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)FAUX News NO FACTS are good enough for our audience, so we just skip them.
Uncle Joe
(58,365 posts)against the facts.
blue14u
(575 posts)Yes faux= all lies all the time..
I want to punch Hannity in the nose when I happen to see him...
Can't stand him!!!!
Uncle Joe
(58,365 posts)Thanks for the thread, highplainsdem.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)RainDog
(28,784 posts)this is an important story and people need to read this.
Republicans are lying to people and people are lying to themselves.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)They are stupid brainwashed liars who have destroyed the greatest country ever