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warrior1

(12,325 posts)
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:05 AM Oct 2013

Is Reid just messing with cruz?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/reid-cruz-can-t-talk-down-to-anyone-anymore

Because it's brilliant.



Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) said Thursday that Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) should understand that he's dealing with intellectual equals in the upper chamber.

Reid told the Huffington Post that Cruz, whose effort to defund the Affordable Care Act led to the government shutdown and brought the United States close to default, could still learn a thing or two about legislating.

"Ted Cruz is smart," Reid said. "He has always been able to talk down to people. He is now in the Senate. People are as smart as he is. He can't talk down to anyone anymore. But he has still not accepted that in his own head. He still thinks he's smarter than everybody else. He might be able to work a calculus problem better than I can. But he can't legislate better than I can."

Cruz's intelligence has been widely acknowledged by both his colleagues on Capitol Hill and his former peers from his law school days. A profile on Cruz in a recent issue of GQ quoted a Harvard Law School roommate who said that the junior senator from Texas refused to study with anyone who hadn't been an undergraduate student at Harvard, Princeton or Yale.


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Who ever thought that this guy was smart?

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Is Reid just messing with cruz? (Original Post) warrior1 Oct 2013 OP
Being an academic snob doesn't make you smart. winter is coming Oct 2013 #1
+100 nt narnian60 Oct 2013 #33
+100 Taverner Oct 2013 #35
I think he's a well-educated dumbass. TwilightGardener Oct 2013 #2
Who ever thought this guy was smart? Faux pas Oct 2013 #3
Reid worked his ass off to end the shutdown. randome Oct 2013 #4
Psychopaths are often geniuses. Avalux Oct 2013 #5
Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner here folks! Cruz is indeed a Psychopath. berni_mccoy Oct 2013 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2013 #6
There's 'Book Smart' And 'Common Sense Smart'........ global1 Oct 2013 #7
Beware Cruz. He is an evil, two-faced ultra-manipulative narcissist. Everything is an act. stevenleser Oct 2013 #8
+100000. We ignore him at our peril. He is dangerous nt riderinthestorm Oct 2013 #12
You Nailed It. WaitWut Oct 2013 #15
First President of The Second Republic of Texas Stallion Oct 2013 #18
He's dangerous, but not to Democrats. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #32
I agree that we would have no problem beating him in 2016, but he is dangerous to the entire planet. stevenleser Oct 2013 #34
I think he's getting more credit than he's due for that. The House crazies wanted their 'Braveheart' geek tragedy Oct 2013 #42
The Snake Oil Salesman Had Found His Mark... KharmaTrain Oct 2013 #37
This schmoozing of stupid sociopaths and traitors makes me Doctor_J Oct 2013 #9
You must have read a different article than everyone else. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #31
It's the same bullshit spewed about Lyin' Ryan BumRushDaShow Oct 2013 #11
educated evil spanone Oct 2013 #13
Smart? Maybe a little. Con Artist? You betcha. kydo Oct 2013 #14
One can have unlimited intelect fredamae Oct 2013 #16
Harry is the master at cajoling Hutzpa Oct 2013 #17
"he can't legislate better than I can." Damn right he can't Reid! Kurska Oct 2013 #19
It takes more than duplicity to be smart. nt bemildred Oct 2013 #20
When you are the fastest, strongest kid playing high school football, the game is easy for you. Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #21
I just don't get that 'pointy headed intellectual' vibe when I look at Ted. Myrina Oct 2013 #22
Well he's got the asshole part down pretty good Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #23
A sure sign of intelligence is self-awareness... MrScorpio Oct 2013 #24
Lack of self-awareness an earmark of Right Wing Authoritarian followers voting against self-interest Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #26
That's because you and I and DUers see him for what he is. Even most GOPers at this point stevenleser Oct 2013 #38
Cruz is clever, and maybe even "smart", but definitely not wise or brilliant. nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #25
But with the emotional intelligence of a hyena. nolabear Oct 2013 #27
Reid is baiting him for a trap, Cruz must have considerable feeling of inferiority. gordianot Oct 2013 #28
Agree. Believe he is cynically going after the Tea Partiers for support kiranon Oct 2013 #43
sounds like Cruz is very narcissistic riverbendviewgal Oct 2013 #29
Reid's totally trolling him, nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #30
Harry is feeding the troll! Rex Oct 2013 #36
GWB went to Yale and Harvard... SidDithers Oct 2013 #39
Street smarts, emotional intelligence, common sense -- pnwmom Oct 2013 #40
he's really smart--except for that little "humans are valuable in themselves" gap librechik Oct 2013 #41

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
1. Being an academic snob doesn't make you smart.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:11 AM
Oct 2013

Just the opposite, if anything. The really smart people I know don't go around telling people they're smart or condescending to other people.

Faux pas

(14,681 posts)
3. Who ever thought this guy was smart?
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:15 AM
Oct 2013

The the few thousand followers of his who are barely literate I guess.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
4. Reid worked his ass off to end the shutdown.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:16 AM
Oct 2013

The entire government spun its wheels needlessly because of Cruz.

I imagine there is a substantial amount of resentment for the one who caused all that.
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Avalux

(35,015 posts)
5. Psychopaths are often geniuses.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:18 AM
Oct 2013

Of course he's smart, but intelligence has nothing to do with empathy or doing the right thing.

Response to warrior1 (Original post)

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
8. Beware Cruz. He is an evil, two-faced ultra-manipulative narcissist. Everything is an act.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:21 AM
Oct 2013

He is all about himself, particularly getting more power for himself.

He knows exactly the kind of persona and positions and strategy to sell himself as the conservative savior to the far right of his party and he is completely willing to throw the entire rest of his party, the economy of his country, the economy of the world, etc., under the bus to get there.

So, yes, unfortunately, he is a genius. The 21 hour pseudo-filibuster farce was him acting and playing a role he thought the tea party wing of the GOP would buy and he was right.

The shutdown was another gambit of his. And that also worked for his purposes.

The few somewhat normal members of the GOP right now are trying to figure out if there is a way they can put him down. They recognize what he is now, it just may be too late to do anything about it.

WaitWut

(71 posts)
15. You Nailed It.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:54 AM
Oct 2013

He honestly scares the beegeebers out of me.

I watched him campaign for Senate and he did not make a mistake. He dictated and diverted all conversations back to his platform and his beliefs. As I recall, Dewhurst was a lock for the seat then along came Cruz. He said all the right things and the right couldn't get enough.

He still has the base so fired up that they would crown him as king in the name of "freedom."

I still haven't figured out where his end game is. I don't think that President is it. There is not enough money in it. I am leaning toward Governor of Texas, (hear me out .) He wouldn't have to address any "natural born citizen" issues. He wouldn't have any term limits. And a couple of well placed, "Secede's" or "Build a Wall" comments and he could be governor for ever. Heck, we've had Slick Rick for 13 years and he is stepping down on his own.

I think he crosses his fingers and hopes for a strong democratic showing in Texas in 2014, then when his Senate Term is over he slides into the Governor's Mansion promising to Save Texas from the Democrats.

Or he get's convicted of ethics violations.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
32. He's dangerous, but not to Democrats.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 02:04 PM
Oct 2013

He's incapable of learning from his mistakes. Exactly the kind of opponent we'd love to see in 2016.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
34. I agree that we would have no problem beating him in 2016, but he is dangerous to the entire planet.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 02:10 PM
Oct 2013

He almost wrecked the US and global economy these last few weeks. If Cantor is the speaker instead of Boehner, we might be looking at Cruz pushing Cantor into causing a financial meltdown.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
42. I think he's getting more credit than he's due for that. The House crazies wanted their 'Braveheart'
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 04:00 PM
Oct 2013

moment and had been agitating for it all summer. He and Lee just got themselves in front of the camera.

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
37. The Snake Oil Salesman Had Found His Mark...
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 02:17 PM
Oct 2013

...the great unhinged are a "movement" in great need of an authoritarian figure. They've tried a whole bunch in the clown car demolition derby of '12...even Trump...and none fit. Cruz (along with Paulbot Jr.) saw the void and is playing up to the suckers and playing them like a fiddle. Whether he's "smart" or not doesn't matter...it's his ability to bullshit and bully that makes him the latest "great white hope".

One hope that he flames out from his own arrogance (like his idol Tailgunner Joe did) or gets shunned into irrelevance, but he has a constituency and a fulltime PR department in faux noise and hate radio that he can and will use to fleece the flock...

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
9. This schmoozing of stupid sociopaths and traitors makes me
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:23 AM
Oct 2013


It would be much more effective to say aloud that Cruz is an incompetent, not very bright, and completely clueless when it comes to the law and the way the government works. He should be humiliated, not coddled.

Get a spine, Harry
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
31. You must have read a different article than everyone else.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 02:02 PM
Oct 2013

Reid isn't coddling Cruz, he's openly mocking him and baiting him.

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
11. It's the same bullshit spewed about Lyin' Ryan
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:24 AM
Oct 2013

who's a complete idiot proclaimed to be some sort of genius "policy wonk", which is why Reid is doing the same to Crudz...

kydo

(2,679 posts)
14. Smart? Maybe a little. Con Artist? You betcha.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:37 AM
Oct 2013

Successful criminals are often smart but not necessarily book smart. Many could be real smart book smart if they chose to but they don't want that. They have this ability to read people and tell them what they want to hear and sound smart while doing it. It gets them what they want.

They know how to use people. Cruz is a genius at using people. Just like any con artist.

Cruz is a great con artist nothing more.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
16. One can have unlimited intelect
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:07 AM
Oct 2013

and a pile of "sheepskins" but if they "ain't got no Common Sense--they ain't got shit".

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
19. "he can't legislate better than I can." Damn right he can't Reid!
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:28 AM
Oct 2013

Reid is a damn fine politician and hate he gets here is so undeserved.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
21. When you are the fastest, strongest kid playing high school football, the game is easy for you.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 12:25 PM
Oct 2013

When you get recruited to play Division 1 football, all of a sudden it's like playing on an all-star team. The talent level of every player is significantly greater that what you were previously used to.

*Everyone* is huge, *everyone* is fast, *everyone* is strong.


If you get drafted into the NFL, the talent level of the players changes yet again...but exponentially so.

EVERYONE is better than you.

ALL the players are physically enormous, massively strong, stupendously fast. There are few playing at that level who are not the absolute best at what they do.




Cruz is finding out that Harry Reid, among others, has played Pro Ball longer than Cruz has been alive.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
22. I just don't get that 'pointy headed intellectual' vibe when I look at Ted.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 12:30 PM
Oct 2013

More like empty-headed narcissist.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
23. Well he's got the asshole part down pretty good
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 12:40 PM
Oct 2013

Doesn't this sh!t fer brains know you have to put on a "salt of the earth" facade to win as a Republican?

He may be intelligent, but he is clearly not smart.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
24. A sure sign of intelligence is self-awareness...
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 12:44 PM
Oct 2013

He's one of the LEAST self-aware people I've ever seen.

He absolutely has no idea how he comes off to other people and why that's such a bad thing.

I really have doubts about his intelligence.

He is, however, a schemer... But a very poor one at that.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,005 posts)
26. Lack of self-awareness an earmark of Right Wing Authoritarian followers voting against self-interest
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 01:02 PM
Oct 2013

They are suckers.

Their leaders may not be suckers and may be clever, but that doesn't make them thinkers or self-aware.

Lack of self-awareness correlates with lack of empathy.

Thanks for putting your finger on a key point.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
38. That's because you and I and DUers see him for what he is. Even most GOPers at this point
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 02:24 PM
Oct 2013

see him for what he is. But the Tea Party, i.e. the lowest common denominator in the GOP?

They are totally fooled and in thrall.

They are his intended audience. He is banking on them getting him the nomination in 2016 and he is willing to sacrifice anyone, anything, everything to get there.

Can he pull it off? Right now I put the odds at better than 50-50 of him getting the GOP nomination.

nolabear

(41,986 posts)
27. But with the emotional intelligence of a hyena.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 01:11 PM
Oct 2013

What he is, is cunning, and greedy, and opportunistic. But he's in a profession where that kind of thing will fail, ultimately. It might be a long road because he can use those qualities to hoodwink people. But the idea that people are sheep will get you butted in the end ( )

gordianot

(15,238 posts)
28. Reid is baiting him for a trap, Cruz must have considerable feeling of inferiority.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 01:18 PM
Oct 2013

I listened to his rambling speech it is a gold mine into who he really is and reveals much about his inferiority. I started to take notes but quit. Ted has a facade he is vulnerable and I suspect rather dangerous.

Ted is going it alone he is not smarter than the consultants and psychologist available to a major American political party.

kiranon

(1,727 posts)
43. Agree. Believe he is cynically going after the Tea Partiers for support
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 04:59 PM
Oct 2013

because he thinks he can manipulate them. Do not believe he has any core values other than self promotion and the need for power. I also suspect he is "rather dangerous" re the continuation of our democracy/republic. Many years ago they used to write of people who left communism and became very conservative Catholics. Once an authoritarian always an authoritarian. I see evangelicals falling on the authoritarian side of the scale in religion and politics. Cruz would be a natural candidate for them.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
36. Harry is feeding the troll!
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 02:13 PM
Oct 2013

So smart that he could not grasp the moral of the story from a children's book?

Humans are smart.

Rats are clever.

Cruz is neither, he is just an obvious troll.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
40. Street smarts, emotional intelligence, common sense --
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 02:28 PM
Oct 2013

all things Harry has in abundance and Cruz sorely lacks. All Cruz has in abundance is his sense of self-importance.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
41. he's really smart--except for that little "humans are valuable in themselves" gap
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 02:45 PM
Oct 2013

it really doesn't matter how smart a sociopath is--and they are often very smart. They still don't get it. They aren't gods, and it's not their right to reject and kill people they think are useless or sinful. They don't speak for God or Jesus. They just think they are so superior that He won't mind when they do.

Why do so many on the right share this belief? There's a whole lotta crazy there. And it's vicious as snakes.
They even say Jesus told them it was ok to abandon and hate those they judge to be lazy and undeserving.

gawd these people make me nauseous.

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