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kydo

(2,679 posts)
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:13 AM Oct 2013

Why doesn't the gop just divorce the tea baggers or visa versa?

If republicans truly believe they are different then baggers why not just kick them out?

And the same applies to the baggers. If they hate the republicans so much then they should leave and start their own party.

Because right now republicans and baggers are the same, they are republicans.

I know why they don't split, its because what was once considered republican is really a Blue Dog Democrat. There aren't any real Republicans left. The republicans these days really are tea baggers. The people we call baggers are just more vocal.

But that's not the real reason, the real reason is because if they split, the Democrats would now be the Majority in not just the House but on the local levels in some cases.

Nancy would be the Speaker without even having to have an election. And if these republicans claiming the other is not a republican then Nancy is truly already the Speaker of the House. She is just be barred from doing her job.

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M.G.

(250 posts)
1. Pretty much.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:24 AM
Oct 2013

If the GOP dumps the Tea Party they consign themselves to permanent minority status for decades to come.

If they actually did dump the Tea Party, I would expect a de facto reunification within a few years, possibly under the official title of a new political party oh-so-coincidentally standing for the exact same things as today's Republicans.

Demographics may force the GOP to moderate a bit over the next few decades, but I doubt they would accelerate their own problems by deliberately abandoning a third of their base.

RDANGELO

(3,433 posts)
5. The thing is, I don't think they can win a national election with them.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:52 AM
Oct 2013

The Tea-Party is dominating the primaries, and with the changing demographics, that is where the insensitivity towards minorities is coming from. The real agenda of the Tea-Party is to punish the people that they view as not worthy. The espoused ideology is phoney. When the Republicans in the state houses gerry-mandered the districts to the extent that they did after the 2010 elections, they created a Frankenstein's monster.

kydo

(2,679 posts)
10. I didn't think they could either
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 12:08 PM
Oct 2013

The baggers if you ask me have always been there in the republican party. They were called the extreme religious right wing of the republican party. Then they were called the ring wing of the party. Then they were just conservative. Once the baggers started calling them selves baggers the so called republicans stared letting their racism and hate show more and more each year.

former9thward

(32,019 posts)
6. In the U.S. party I.D. is who you say you are.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:53 AM
Oct 2013

Nobody gives you a membership card. Nobody can kick anyone out of the R or D party. Nobody. Somebody on the internet can scream someone is a DINO or RINO but that is meaningless. They are who they say they are.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
7. Because they are not the target of voter purges, so they vote,
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:58 AM
Oct 2013

They will send their pennies, and they will pass along the wild email propaganda that is seeded on discussion boards...

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
8. Because splitting into two groups, each with 20% of the electorate
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:59 AM
Oct 2013

will result in never winning an election again.

AlinPA

(15,071 posts)
9. RE:"Because right now republicans and baggers are the same, they are republicans." Exactly.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 12:01 PM
Oct 2013

There is no difference.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
11. They can't survive without each other
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 12:10 PM
Oct 2013

Their numbers are shrinking.

And really I think the Tea Party is kind of the id of the Republican Party. They don't go that far but they're into it on some level.

Southside

(338 posts)
12. Would love to know how Cruz appeals to Latino voters
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 01:11 PM
Oct 2013

The Tea party has jumped from Rubio to Cruz. This new branded, supposedly more inclusive Republican Party needs more Latinos and women to be competitive. Still they trot out the same characters as leaders and now they are attacking Cruz. For good reason, but still they are isolating him.

Xolodno

(6,395 posts)
13. The GOP kept kicking the can down the road....
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 01:51 PM
Oct 2013

The Dixiecrats need GOP money....and the GOP needs their votes. So they have an alliance of circumstances, the GOP adopts their "conservative morals" and the Dixiecrats adopt the GOP business principals. Big business was fine with Washington not getting anything done as it meant Washington would not be interfering with them (their biggest fear after the financial meltdown).

The GOP has needed to moderate its stance for years and slowly wean off of the Dixiecrats...but they never did because they always voted Republican no matter what they did, proving themselves through thick and thin.

Now they attempted a coup on the GOP. If the GOP wants to survive, they have to sideline people like Crud...I mean Cruz and slowly start shoving them out the door when possible. At the same time, go after "Conservative Democrats". That means they will have to resign themselves to not winning major elections in the near future until they are completely rebuilt or Democrats get complacent...which ever comes first.

The Dixiecrats, need to find a way to take the party, they need to get huge donors on their side and massage their fears they wont do anything this stupid again and continue to let big business to be left alone (after they nearly derailed them with ideological purity). That remains to be seen, remember, these are bunker building, gun toting, apocalyptic wishers, etc. who have no fear of a world wide collapse and erroneously think they won't be affected because "they are prepared for it".

What's that Chinese curse? "May you live in interesting times".

kydo

(2,679 posts)
14. "May you live in interesting times".
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 01:57 PM
Oct 2013

Someone did course me with that.

But yeah baggers are this millennium's version of the good old Raygun Democrats/Dixiecrats which were just last millennium's version of the KKK.

The 1850's really needs to call the GOP and demand their Ideology back.

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