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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI keep hearing ...
that the fix to everything is to cut payments to the MIC.
{1StrongBlackMan steps into and zips up his anti-flame suit, in anticipation of this question not being met well.}
While I agree that the US spends way too much in its pursuit of war, I wonder (living in a town that has a dense contractor as the largest private sector employer and a University that receives significant defense industry research and development grant funding) ...
What would be the economic effect of cutting/eliminating the pentagon's budget?
A quick google indicates that the average defense contractor wage is about $80,000/yr (http://pogoblog.typepad.com/pogo/2012/03/pentagon-contractors-are-second-to-none-in-salary-aia-study-shows.html) and that there are more than 600,000 civilian defense contractor employees (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/05/us-usa-fiscal-pentagon-idUSBRE9940AU20131005).
That is a bunch of "good paying" jobs. And that does not include the down-stream jobs reliant on those jobs, such as the equally well paid University researchers and the supportive University infrastructure to the lesser paying service industry jobs that thrive in support of these good paying jobs.
Now, yes ... these workers can be tasked to working on stuff like alternate energy generation and storage r/d, or other non-defense r/d; but I would suggest that this would take significant ramp up time ... so isn't the take the pentagon budget and use it to pay for other stuff kind of naive?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)industry, aviation for putting an end to millions of steam ship related jobs, films for vandalizing vaudeville and the Salk vaccine for putting a crimp in wheelchair and child coffin manufacturing.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)your post is non-responsive to my question ... right?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)In my opinion the very idea that a great wrong should continue because it brings profit to a segment of society is morally vacant and ethically vapid. It's junkie thinking, junkie as in one addicted to heroin.
It is also utterly daft to delay the use of electric light out of concern for the wick maker's guild.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)building steam ships.
In other words, focusing on progress.
Arguments for status quo or regression are best met with optimism and forward-thinking, don't you think?
It can be scary when confronted with losing your job in defense industry. Not so scary when given opportunity to learn a new industry say something like solar power. Or wind turbines.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)but there was a post earlier this year in response to one of mine about re-purposing parts of the military to things like Search & Rescue, and rebuilding after disasters. There are some advocates out there for this idea, and it wouldn't take much "ramp up" to accomplish. We already have people trained in many of these activities within the military. All it would take is coordination in implementing them.
What we could ram up is to build more hospital ships, more equipment meant for helping people in need, and so forth. I'd get behind any spending on that versus more drones, bombers, and stealth subs.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)but that re-purposing of the military, does not respond to my question.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)Sorry about that
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)"vote for me and I'll do something about it" campaign tease. The DoD is the world's largest welfare system. It reaches into all 50 states and brings jobs and paychecks with it. Virtually every aspect of government at every level relies on those dollars of death to stay in the black or at least stem the flood of red.
Changing this reality would be an undertaking on a scale that would dwarf the WPA, and while in the end it would benefit the nation even more than those Depression Era programs did, the transition would be both a very painful adjustment to the economy and and an Armageddon for political campaign contributions.
Southside
(338 posts)I am against taking any jobs away, except for a few republicans Reps and two senators who wanted a default.
Nice post.
leftstreet
(36,108 posts)Defense contracting corporations make massive, MASSIVE profits. Those workers aren't seeing any of it
Cut out the profits, keep paying the employees regardless of what they labor at
Save billions and billions
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)is creating new technologies and fostering new industries.
Ptah
(33,032 posts)If the missile factory was to disappear, and 200,000 people left,
this city would be more sustainable and liveable.
Other cities have survived closing of bases and forts quite nicely.
The proportion of the federal budget that goes to the
military-industrial complex should be cut in half.
It's not the food stamp people that are sucking us dry,
it's the tools and toys of war.