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Justice

(7,188 posts)
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:20 PM Oct 2013

We need a mandatory retirement age for members of Congress

I am not sure about term limits, but we definitely need a mandatory retirement age - I am fine with allowing people to finish a term if they hit the retirement age after election. So if you are elected at 69 and the retirement age is 70, you can finish your term. I am also fine with 70 as age.

82 year olds should not be in Congress.

I would also like that age limit to apply to Supreme Court as well as to president.

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We need a mandatory retirement age for members of Congress (Original Post) Justice Oct 2013 OP
More ageism on DU pintobean Oct 2013 #1
You better believe it. duffyduff Oct 2013 #31
how about a mandatory minimum IQ level....seems most of the Tea gang revel in their ignorance.... NRaleighLiberal Oct 2013 #2
I think that would be far more useful. nt valerief Oct 2013 #4
Maybe some psychological/personality testing Siwsan Oct 2013 #5
Definitely! Well, and I think there should be some type of mental stability qualification, I really RKP5637 Oct 2013 #6
Or at least an 8th grade civics test! arcane1 Oct 2013 #33
Didn't IQ testing get debunked a while ago? nt Jamaal510 Oct 2013 #40
I'd like to see them be able to solve a simple logic problem. hobbit709 Oct 2013 #49
word. mahina Oct 2013 #52
Agree. I have an old fart who is 82 also. DURHAM D Oct 2013 #3
How about we ask voters every two years, eh? jberryhill Oct 2013 #7
Works great IF all/most of the voters have more than 5 working brain cells SoCalDem Oct 2013 #10
I don't see how age limits will solve gerrymandering and groups Incitatus Oct 2013 #11
term limits would help SoCalDem Oct 2013 #15
There are some very good politicians serve several terms Incitatus Oct 2013 #23
The system is hopelessly rigged and I don;t see it changing in MY lifetime SoCalDem Oct 2013 #26
Term limits exist, it is called voting. Maybe you should keep some people from voting, but bluestate10 Oct 2013 #28
GOP is perfecting that as we type.. no worries SoCalDem Oct 2013 #30
term limits have been a disaster for California, Legislatures can be complicated JI7 Oct 2013 #29
Term limits will not end lobbying. Gormy Cuss Oct 2013 #32
+ struggle4progress Oct 2013 #35
Terms limits has turned the MO state legislature into lobbyists training ground loyalsister Oct 2013 #39
Because it's worked so well in California Hekate Oct 2013 #44
We need to be able to recall the bastards emsimon33 Oct 2013 #8
Older people who did great things: The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2013 #9
true, but they were also from an era that appreciated age=wisdom thinking SoCalDem Oct 2013 #13
McCain hasn't gotten worse with age; he's always been like that. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2013 #16
People can be useful and NOT be a seantor/congressperson/supreme court justice SoCalDem Oct 2013 #21
Considering the current quality of our educational system The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2013 #27
Rachel Carson died at age 56. FarCenter Oct 2013 #19
Accomplishments of the elderly: The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2013 #24
Reminds me of Bill Maher's "Weekend At Bernie's government" arcane1 Oct 2013 #12
That's just silly blogslut Oct 2013 #14
that's discrimination Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #17
Bernie Sanders is 72 Samantha Oct 2013 #18
You stated an opinion, but gave no justification for your position. bluestate10 Oct 2013 #20
I Don't agree. mia Oct 2013 #22
Maybe what we need is a minimum age Turbineguy Oct 2013 #25
Constitution, Article I, Section 2, Paragraph ii: "No Person shall be a Representative who shall not struggle4progress Oct 2013 #41
Hmmm.... Thanks. Obviously.... Turbineguy Oct 2013 #46
Well, I was grumpy about these age limits as a kid: "I can't be President until I'm 35 !?!!? WTF !!! struggle4progress Oct 2013 #55
Robert C. Byrd was in the Senate at 93 and was sharp as tack. If others doc03 Oct 2013 #34
"There is always a well-known solution to every human problem -- neat, plausible, and wrong" struggle4progress Oct 2013 #36
Hear, hear, struggle4progress! CBHagman Oct 2013 #37
Yeesh MFrohike Oct 2013 #38
A certain method to disempower minorities and get rid of our most powerful and experienced members. Coyotl Oct 2013 #42
It's called an "election", and the term limits are 2 years, 4 years, and 6 years at a time Hekate Oct 2013 #43
Like Dan Inouye was? Nope. My senior senators were the best. dkf Oct 2013 #45
Cruz just proved how regressive and how much damage Skidmore Oct 2013 #47
I don't think you can necessarily do an age limit davidpdx Oct 2013 #48
Hastert went from a school teacher's salary to millionaire... HereSince1628 Oct 2013 #50
We do not. mahina Oct 2013 #51
This would change nothing whatsoever. JackRiddler Oct 2013 #53
Why? You've proposed a solution without laying out the problem. nt Codeine Oct 2013 #54
 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
31. You better believe it.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:05 PM
Oct 2013

Young was 82, but his death was a result of injuries suffered some 43 years ago (a small plane crash).

There was no evidence he had anything wrong with him mentally.

I know lots and lots of older people who have it a lot more together than the young.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
6. Definitely! Well, and I think there should be some type of mental stability qualification, I really
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:27 PM
Oct 2013

think we have a number in congress running with more than a few misfiring cylinders.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
49. I'd like to see them be able to solve a simple logic problem.
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 08:35 AM
Oct 2013

Of course logic does not apply on Planet Bozo where most of the teabaggers live.

DURHAM D

(32,610 posts)
3. Agree. I have an old fart who is 82 also.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:24 PM
Oct 2013

He was an early member of the Teaparty. However, he voted Yes the other night after his office told me he was a NO earlier in the day. Perhaps he had a Senior Moment and flipped the wrong switch or perhaps his bosses gave him a call.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
10. Works great IF all/most of the voters have more than 5 working brain cells
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:38 PM
Oct 2013

Gerrymandering the "red" states has led to a LOT of pretty idiotic know-nothings being "elected" and those from OTHER states HAVE a great amount of influence on the rest of us, and can gum up the works for all of us.

I know both parties like to "improve their odds"...and that's why a computer generated grid slapped on every state (for apportionment purposes) would solve a LOT of problems.. We did something similar here and we FINALLY got rid of mary Bono..

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)
11. I don't see how age limits will solve gerrymandering and groups
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:44 PM
Oct 2013

donating unlimited amounts from electing a complaint politician. Something need to be done about the outside influence but I don't see how an age limit solves that problem.

Age limits would have lost us Ted Kennedy.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
15. term limits would help
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:48 PM
Oct 2013

It would also make lobbying pretty much moot as well..

Presidents are term limited and they have less power than most people think..

If 2 terms are enough for the president, 2 terms should be plenty for the others as well../ I would even like to see a 15 year limit for SCOTUS..and a MINIMUM age for them..of 60..

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)
23. There are some very good politicians serve several terms
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:55 PM
Oct 2013

I think campaign finance rules are a much bigger problem than term limits, and maybe prevent former members of congress from financially benefitting from their work by working as lobbyists or for firms their legislation supported. I doubt that will ever happen, though.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
26. The system is hopelessly rigged and I don;t see it changing in MY lifetime
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:56 PM
Oct 2013

And it;s why we never progress.. we just keep re-wrapping the same old stuff we have been fighting about for 40+ years...pretty depressing

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
28. Term limits exist, it is called voting. Maybe you should keep some people from voting, but
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:58 PM
Oct 2013

that will be discrimination of the grossest kind.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
30. GOP is perfecting that as we type.. no worries
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:59 PM
Oct 2013

they will only provide the bestest candidates evahhhh..enjoy their work

JI7

(89,252 posts)
29. term limits have been a disaster for California, Legislatures can be complicated
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:59 PM
Oct 2013

with many rules but long time members often are able to build up relationships and understand others to try to come together to get things done.

with term limits it is only seen as a stepping stone for something else by most without much intention to learn and do much.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
32. Term limits will not end lobbying.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:07 PM
Oct 2013

Limits can in fact make lobbying more influential. Without the threat of being voted out of office term limited pols have little to lose by voting the interests of the lobbyists rather than in the best interests of their constituency. They in fact have a lot to gain, like cushy seats on corporate boards or other post-politics paychecks.

In CA term limits have had the effect of pols playing musical chairs, switching to a new elected position as soon as they term out of their current one. It's SSDD.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
39. Terms limits has turned the MO state legislature into lobbyists training ground
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:37 PM
Oct 2013

They serve for a couple of years then get a golden parachute into a cushy lobbyist position.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
44. Because it's worked so well in California
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 04:45 AM
Oct 2013


The only ones in Sacramento who don't have term limits are the lobbyists.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
9. Older people who did great things:
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:36 PM
Oct 2013

Benjamin Franklin, Mohandas Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, Jessica Tandy, Rachel Carson, Grandma Moses, Claude Monet, Winston Churchill, Golda Meir, Bertrand Russell, George Bernard Shaw, Eamon de Valera, Pablo Picasso, Artur Rubinstein, Albert Schweitzer, Pablo Casals, Michelangelo, Konrad Adenauer, Leo Tolstoy, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, George Bums - almost all in their 80s or 90s when they accomplished some of their most important achievements.

Just because you're old doesn't mean you're washed up.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
13. true, but they were also from an era that appreciated age=wisdom thinking
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:45 PM
Oct 2013

and most died well before the computer/ social-networking era.

I think back to the days when Jesse Helms' ancient thinking created a good bit of havoc..and when Strom Thurmond was taken down from his shelf at a local hospital and dragged in to "vote" against some worthwhile bill.. and when so many 80+ somethings kept insisting on running for that senate seat yet again, thus freezing out other younger people from having their chance.

There is something to be said for showing up, doing your best, and then moving on so someone else can try their hands at it.. Does anyone think that McCain has gotten better with age? and before I am accused of ageism...I am OLD

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
16. McCain hasn't gotten worse with age; he's always been like that.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:49 PM
Oct 2013

I'm old, too, and I hate the idea that I am no longer considered useful or capable because of it.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
21. People can be useful and NOT be a seantor/congressperson/supreme court justice
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:53 PM
Oct 2013

We have 300+ million people, and the quality of people we have governing is seriously lacking.. Surely there are others who would do a better job, and perhaps a mandatory retirement age or term limits would nudge the ones we have back into their former lives so others could take on the challenge.. Our founders wanted people to serve and then GO HOME..

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
27. Considering the current quality of our educational system
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:57 PM
Oct 2013

I would not expect any improvement from younger people. Ted Cruz, for example, is relatively young, graduated from Princeton and Harvard, and he's an idiot.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
19. Rachel Carson died at age 56.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:52 PM
Oct 2013

Most of these people attained their most notable achievements earlier in life and coasted into their 70s and 80s.

Churchill, for example, was made wartime prime minister at age 65. His second stint as prime minster in the '50s was unremarkable and he had suffered a stroke in '49 and a more severe one in '53 at age 78. These were kept from the public. He died in '65 at age 90.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
24. Accomplishments of the elderly:
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:55 PM
Oct 2013

1. At 100, Grandma Moses was painting.
2. At 94, Bertrand Russell was active in international peace drives.
3. At 93, George Bernard Shaw wrote the play Farfetched Fables.
4. At 91, Eamon de Valera served as president of Ireland.
5. At 91, Adolph Zukon was chairman of Paramount Pictures.
6. At 90, Pablo Picasso was producing drawings and engravings.
7. At 89, Mary Baker Eddy was directing the Christian Science Church.
8. At 89, Arthur Rubinstein gave one of his greatest recitals in New York's Carnegie Hall.
9. At 89, Albert Schweitzer headed a hospital in Africa.
10. At 88, Pablo Casals was giving cello concerts.
11. At 88, Michaelangelo did architectural plans for the church of Santa Maria degli Angeli.
12. At 88, Konrad Adenauer was chancellor of Germany.
13. At 85, Coco Chanel was the head of a fashion design firm.
14. At 84, Somerset Maugham wrote Points of View.
15. At 83, Aleksandr Kerensky wrote Russia and History's Turning Point.
16. At 82, Winston Churchill wrote a History of English Speaking People.
17. At 82, Leo Tolstoy wrote I Cannot Be Silent.
18. At 81, Benjamin Franklin effected the compromise that led to the adoption of the U.S. Constitution.
19. At 81, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe finished Faust.
20. At 80, George Bums won an Academy Award for his performance in The Sunshine Boys.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
20. You stated an opinion, but gave no justification for your position.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:53 PM
Oct 2013

My position is that if voters continue to elect a person, that is either who those voters want OR there is no other choice that is more appealing to them. In addition, why do you assume that an alert 82 year old will be any weaker than a distracted 45 year old as a Congressperson?

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
41. Constitution, Article I, Section 2, Paragraph ii: "No Person shall be a Representative who shall not
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 01:37 AM
Oct 2013

have attained to the Age of twenty five Years ..."

Constitution, Article I, Section 3, Paragraph iii: "No Person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years ..."

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
55. Well, I was grumpy about these age limits as a kid: "I can't be President until I'm 35 !?!!? WTF !!!
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 02:31 PM
Oct 2013

I'll be practically dead by then !!!"

doc03

(35,348 posts)
34. Robert C. Byrd was in the Senate at 93 and was sharp as tack. If others
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:03 PM
Oct 2013

would have listened to him back in 2003 we would not have gotten into a war in Iraq.

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
36. "There is always a well-known solution to every human problem -- neat, plausible, and wrong"
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:24 PM
Oct 2013

Henry Louis Mencken, 1920

CBHagman

(16,986 posts)
37. Hear, hear, struggle4progress!
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:29 PM
Oct 2013

The proposal by the OP is to get rid of Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders! Like progressives want that.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
42. A certain method to disempower minorities and get rid of our most powerful and experienced members.
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 01:58 AM
Oct 2013

Look at who the Committee chairs are. They are members who have been re-elected for 40 years. Some are from minority communities and have powerful positions because they are so popular with their constituency. You want to overrulew the Peolpe and take their power away from them. That's a ludicrous idea.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
43. It's called an "election", and the term limits are 2 years, 4 years, and 6 years at a time
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 04:42 AM
Oct 2013

You'd need a Constitutional Amendment for ousting US Congresspersons, and good luck getting that through.

At the state and local level, as a Californian I can tell you it was a really, really dimwitted idea. Every couple of years the entire State legislature and local officers are "the freshman class" because of term limits. Just when they learn how things work and where the restrooms are, they have to leave, because two terms and they're done.

You know who in our state capitol doesn't have term limits? Lobbyists. They know how things work, they know everything, and they are only too happy to help out the poor bewildered new legislators.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
47. Cruz just proved how regressive and how much damage
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 08:27 AM
Oct 2013

a one term representative can do. Don't like the person in office then find others to help vote that person ou.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
48. I don't think you can necessarily do an age limit
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 08:29 AM
Oct 2013

but as I've pointed out multiple times on DU one problem our party has had lately is senators who stay in office until they die. At some point if their health is declining they need to step aside. After Kennedy's death we ended up with a sub-par candidate and lost the seat for almost three years. That's the price we paid. Thankfully in most other cases we've been able to hold the seats.

If we could ever find a way to do term limits that would be nice. I'd say 12 years in the Senate and 10 in the House.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
50. Hastert went from a school teacher's salary to millionaire...
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 08:47 AM
Oct 2013

The problem isn't really age. Corruption by money is the problem.

Once the Money gets control of a congress critter, the Money will run that horse until it drops.

mahina

(17,668 posts)
51. We do not.
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 09:12 AM
Oct 2013

Dan Inouye and Dan Akaka, both in their 80's, were among the very few to vote against going to war with Iraq.
Think for a moment about the men and women lost and injured in that pointles war and their families, the Iraqi people, and least of all the debt we added there.

Is it your intention to argue that older people arent sharp enough to serve? Which counterexample should I offer? Cruz, Bachmann, Rubio?


Akaka
Inouye
Lautenberg
Byrd
Kennedy
Sanders

You would have removed them when they were still willing to serve, because of their age? Ridiculous.

Your assertion is absurd, but your argument is even worse.

Cheers.

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