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Jimmy CarterJames Earl "Jimmy" Carter, Jr. (born October 1, 1924) is an American politician who served as the 39th President of the United States (1977–1981) and was awarded the 2002 Nobel Peace Prize, the only U.S. President to have received the Prize after leaving office. Before he became President, Carter, a Democrat, served as a U.S. Naval officer, was a peanut farmer, served two terms as a Georgia State Senator and one as Governor of Georgia (1971–1975).[2]
During Carter's term as President, he created two new cabinet-level departments: the Department of Energy and the Department of Education. He established a national energy policy that included conservation, price control, and new technology. In foreign affairs, Carter pursued the Camp David Accords, the Panama Canal Treaties, the second round of Strategic Arms Limitation Talks (SALT II), and returned the Panama Canal Zone to Panama.
Max Cleland
Joseph Maxwell "Max" Cleland (born August 24, 1942) is an American politician from Georgia. Cleland, a Democrat, is a disabled US Army veteran of the Vietnam War, a recipient of the Silver Star and the Bronze Star for valorous actions in combat, and a former U.S. Senator. From 2003 to 2007 he served on the Board of Directors of the Export-Import Bank of the United States, a presidentially-appointed position.[1][2] He has served as Secretary of the American Battle Monuments Commission since May, 2009.
Jefferson Franklin Long (1836-1901)
His heart pounding, Jefferson Franklin Long recites the Congressional Oath of Office on January 9, 1871. As Georgia's first African-American congressman, he will hold his office in the House of Representatives for 23 years. During his time as a slave, Long taught himself to read and write by setting copy for a Macon newspaper. By the end of the Civil War, he had distinguished himself among society, as a proprietor and public speaker, becoming a key member of the Republican Party in 1867.
Alonzo Herndon (1858-1927)
Rising from enslavement to stake his claim in the financial world, barber Alonzo Herndon opens Atlanta Life Insurance Company in 1905. Thanks to his entrepreneurial talents, Herndon was Atlanta's wealthiest African-American by the late 1920s. In 1922, the company's capital stock reached $100,000, giving it legal reserve status – an achievement shared only by four other black establishments at the time. Taking inspiration from Booker T. Washington, he collaborated with other Southern insurance companies, helping to solidify the link between mutual aid and capitalism.
Joseph E. Lowery (1924-present)
Beginning an unprecedented 30-year tenure, the Methodist minister Joseph E. Lowery is named president of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC) in 1977. Lowery's political activism extends far beyond the Civil Rights Movement. Not only was he a key figure in desegregating the nation, he also campaigned for AIDS education, affirmative action, workers' rights and black voter registration. Proceeding his SCLC presidency, Lowery championed the building of 240 low-income housing units and served as a MARTA board member for over 20 years. Responsible for gathering fundamental funds for the 1996 Olympics, Lowery's presence is felt throughout the city. He also co-chaired Nelson Mandela's 1990 visit to Atlanta, and was instrumental in changing the state flag design. Joseph Lowery has gathered numerous accolades, including the NAACP National Lifetime Achievement Award as well as being named Atlanta's Citizen of the Year twice. His alma mater of Clark Atlanta University established the Joseph E. Lowery Institute for Justice and Human Rights in his honor.
Hosea Williams (1926-2000)
Leading what would become Georgia's largest civil rights demonstration, Hosea Williams and 20,000 marchers descended on Forsyth County to confront the Ku Klux Klan in January of 1987. A close friend of Dr. Martin Luther King and a poignant activist, Williams was arrested over 125 times. His astounding ability to mobilize protesters is also seen in the organization of the Bloody Sunday March from Selma, Alabama to the state capital of Montgomery, Alabama. Prior to his activist career, Hosea Williams served in an all-black unit of General Patton's Third Army during WWII, earning a Purple Heart. He also earned a Bachelor's degree in Chemistry from Morris Brown College, and a Master's degree from Clark Atlanta University. In the later years of his life, Williams founded the Hosea Feed The Hungry foundation in 1971, and the Sweet Auburn Heritage Festival in efforts to revitalize the district in 1984.
Ralph David Abernathy (1926-1990)
Immediately proceeding the death of his dear friend Dr. Martin Luther King, Ralph David Abernathy becomes president of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC) in April of 1968. Having served as MLK's confidant and chief partner during the Civil Rights movement, Abernathy helped organize the Montgomery Bus Boycott, as well as the establishment of the SCLC, and led the Poor People's Campaign March on Washington, D.C. Though his 10-year tenure as SCLC president was marked with internal tension, the profound effects of Abernathy's activism are evident. After becoming an ordained Baptist minister in 1948, he earned his Master's degree in sociology in 1951 from Clark Atlanta University.
Coretta Scott King (1927-2006)
Honoring her lifetime of civil rights activism, Coretta Scott King becomes the first woman and first African-American to have a gravesite on the Georgia State Capitol rotunda. The wife of Martin Luther King, Jr., Coretta was at the forefront of the Civil Rights Movement. Although she stayed behind the scenes for most of her husband's activist career, after his death she took up King's legendary efforts for nonviolent protest, becoming an icon of strength. It is through her efforts that so much of MLK's efforts survive today. She is responsible for the collecting and preservation of the reverend's papers, as well as the establishment of The King Center for Nonviolent Social Change. She is buried beside her husband in an enlarged tomb in the center of the reflecting pool at the King Center.
Martin Luther King, Jr. (1929-1968)
Born on January 15, 1929 as Michael King, he would become one of the nation's leading Civil Rights activists. Son of the devout Ebenezer Baptist Church preacher, Michael's father (Michael Luther King, Sr.) changes both his and his son's name to honor the German religious reformist, Martin Luther. With family, church and education at the core of his convictions, MLK, Jr. graduated an ordained minister from Morehouse College in 1948. Pursuing his Ph.D. in Boston, King meets his future wife, Coretta Scott. After initial hesitation, King joined the Civil Rights Movement, educating black activists and white pacifists in nonviolent protest tactics. Surrounded by fear, loathing and constant FBI surveillance, King remained dedicated to his cause. Under his influence, organizations sprang up over the Deep South, practicing nonviolent direct action such as sit-ins, freedom rides and boycotts. The pinnacle of King's career came between 1963 and 1965 when the March on Washington, his "I Have A Dream" speech, and Nobel Peace Prize resulted in 1964 Civil Rights Act which outlawed segregation. On April 4, 1968 Dr. King was assassinated in Memphis, TN. At the loss of her husband, Coretta Scott King became another pivotal activist, helping solidify the King legacy.
Andrew Jackson Young, Jr. (1932-present)
On November 7, 1972 Andrew Jackson Young, Jr. became one of the first black Southerners elected to Congress in the 20th century. Elected to represent the 5th District of Atlanta in the House of Representatives, the pastor and close friend of Martin Luther King, Jr. championed causes for the poor and working-class Americans. A lifelong civil rights activist, Young worked closely with Georgia president Jimmy Carter to transform U.S. foreign policy, focusing on human rights and economic development in third-world countries. He served three terms in Congress before returning to Atlanta, where he was elected mayor from 1981-1989.
Maynard Holbrook Jackson, Jr. (1938-2003)
In 1973, at age 35, Maynard Holbrook Jackson, Jr. was inaugurated as the first black mayor of a Southern metropolis. The prodigious attorney and political activist also served as the city's first African-American Vice Mayor in 1969. Using affirmative action, Jackson made strides in all facets of city business. Transforming the police department, he helped promote African-American officers into higher ranks. After acquiring an abandoned downtown building, Jackson ended a two-week standoff with the city's indigent citizens by transforming it into 3,500 housing units for the poor. He also worked to repair the rift between the city's political officials and the white business community. The largest achievement of his tenure came with the construction of the massive new airport terminal using a large minority work force. Maynard Jackson, Jr. suffered a fatal heart attack on June 23, 2003. He was interred at Oakland Cemetery after his memorial service at the Atlanta Civic Center, which drew more than 5,000 mourners.
John Lewis (1940-present)
Elected president of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee in 1963, John Lewis became the face of the idealistic generation of students. He held this position for three years, during which time he suffered enormous amounts of physical brutality as punishment for his civil rights endeavors. During his presidency, he helped organize the Mississippi Freedom Summer as well as the Bloody Sunday March on Montgomery from Selma, Alabama. Lewis was close with Martin Luther King, Jr. and spoke at the March on Washington For Jobs and Freedom, during which MLK gave his famous "I Have a Dream" speech. Later, John Lewis moved into the political arena and has represented Atlanta and the 5th Congressional District of Georgia in the U.S. House of Representatives since 1987.
Julian Bond (1940-present)
Dedicated to reporting all aspects of the Civil Rights Movement, Julian Bond becomes editor for the first edition of the Atlanta Inquirer. An activist from his college years on, Bond helped organize Morehouse College's Committee on Appeal for Human Rights, which helped desegregate Atlanta's parks, diners and theatres. After serving as Communications Director of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, Bond was elected to the House of Representatives in 1967 and the Senate in 1974. This began his unprecedented 20 year tenure, at the end of which he became Georgia's most-elected black man. He earned a Bachelor's degree in English from Morehouse College and has since received 21 honorary degrees. Bond is a highly-acclaimed writer, and is now a professor at the University of Virginia.
Hamilton Holmes (1941-1995)
In January of 1961, Hamilton Holmes became the first African-American man to enroll at the University of Georgia (UGA). A distinguished student and athlete, Holmes graduated cum laude with a Bachelor of Science degree in 1963. Later that year he became the first black man to attend the Emory University School of Medicine. After serving as an army major in Germany during WWII, Hamilton Holmes returned to Atlanta to become Chief of Orthopedics at the Veterans Administration hospital. After opening a private practice, he was named Medical Director of Grady Memorial Hospital and assistant dean of Emory University. In 1983 Holmes became the first black man to be inducted to UGA's Board of Trustees. In 1992, three years before his death, he helped create a scholarship for African-American students wishing to attend the University of Georgia.
Shirley Clarke Franklin (1945-present)
Shirley Clarke Franklin becomes the first African American female mayor of a major Southern city on November 4, 2001. A member of the Democratic Party, Atlanta's 58th mayor worked as the Commissioner of Cultural Affairs under mayor Maynard Jackson, and as Chief Administrative Officer and City Manager under Andrew Young. Within her first seven years, Franklin has implemented one of the country's strongest ethics reformations. She is lauded for her "green" efforts – improving the city's sewer system and making the city have one of the highest percentages of LEED-Certified skyscrapers in the nation. Her human rights initiatives have also garnered attention. After commissioning the "Blueprint to End Homelessness in Atlanta in 10 Years", the flagship project 24/7 Gateway Center opened in 2005 and serves over 500 indigent citizens daily. Also included in this initiative, the "Mayor's Youth Plan" which has awarded over 1,700 Atlanta public school graduates with financial and technological aid. Shirley Franklin is a member of the Mayors Against Illegal Guns Commission, and in October 2005, was named one of the "Best Leaders of 2005" by U.S. News and World Report. She was also awarded the 2005 Profile in Courage award by the John F. Kennedy Library Foundation for her unprecedented success in solving Atlanta's budget deficit.
Leah Ward Sears (1955-present)
Leah Ward Sears was elected chief justice of the Georgia Supreme Court on June 28, 2005. A member of the Democratic Party, Sears is the first African-American woman to sit on the state's Supreme Court. Appointed in 1992 by then-Governor Zell Miller, she became, at age 36, the youngest justice and first woman to serve the Supreme Court. Notable opinions include Sear's affirmation to overturn a state sodomy law and denouncement of the electrical chair as a human execution form. She is the founder of the Georgia Association of Black Women Attorneys, as well as the Columbus, GA branch of the Battered Women's Project. Leah Ward Sears left the Supreme Court in June of 2009, and has now joined the Atlanta law firm of Schiff Hardin.
Kenny Leon (1956-present)
In 1990, beginning what would be an unprecedented 11-year tenure, Kenny Leon becomes the first African-American Artistic Director of the Alliance Theatre Company. Leon sought not only to diversify the productions, but also the cast, staff and audience. He increased African-American attendance from less than 5% in 1990 to 25% by 2003. Raising the theatre's national and international profile, the Alliance was awarded extensive funding under his leadership. As the Southeast's largest regional theatre, the Alliance has an annual attendance of over 250,000. In celebration of their 30th anniversary, Leon directed the world premiere of Elaborate Lives: The Legend of Aida, an Elton John and Tim Rice musical. It moved to Broadway in the Spring of 2000, under the name Aida, where it won 4 Tonys. He resigned his position in 2001, and cofounded his own company – True Colors Theatre – in 2003. Kenny Leon is a graduate of Clark Atlanta University and mentors for the Theatre Development Fund's Open Doors program.
Tyler Perry (1969-present)
Becoming the first black producer to own a major television and film studio, Tyler Perry opened his 200,000 square foot studios in 2008. As of 2009, his films have grossed over $400 million worldwide. Earning around $75 million in 2008, Perry is just short of Hollywood's five highest paid men. A renown actor, director and producer, he is also an acclaimed screenwriter and author. In 2006, Perry's first book Don't Make A Black Woman Take Off Her Earrings: Madea's Unhibited Commentaries on Love and Life shot to the top of the New York Times' nonfiction bestseller list and remained for eight weeks. In 2009 alone, Perry has received five awards, including a NAACP Image Award for "Outstanding Comedy Series." This film screen mogul hasn't forgotten his roots. Highly involved with local and national charities, Tyler Perry built a 20-home community for Hurricane Katrina survivors in his hometown of New Orleans, Louisianna.
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roguevalley
(40,656 posts)the other ass hats. I was bashed along with all the rest when Sarah Palin crawled out of Alaska. No one gave a damn for the rest of us who hated her. We still get the ax for her. Your region has a lot of ass hats. So does everyone else but right now they are the ones ruling the roost in this country with their special brand of stupid. Vote them out. It will help. Until then, we in the region of the stupid one get it too. Life ain't fair. Its up to us to make it better. Right now, this is your burden. I feel your pain.
PS I also feel that we are all still fighting the civil war to some extent. I don't think that was ever truly resolved in our country. I feel the hackles rise when something comes out of the south that smacks of that debacle. My mother's family was from Missouri, Kentucky, Virginia and 'Carolina' before it was divided. My great grandpa rode with Shelby's Cavalry. We owned slaves at some point too. That sticks sideways in my craw as a person raised in the northwest and who had yankees on every other side of the tree. I am ashamed of my portion of the problem that caused the civil war as was my mom. Even though it was before I was born, it is part of what we were and the idea of owning someone makes me want to hurl. I will NEVER feel good about that ever.
I think it really bothers people that for some the war didn't end. The south was defeated but they still have their pride items ... the flag, etc and they talk about the 'Cause' as if it were a honorable thing which for the participants it might have been. But to honor that now with all that happened and still happens, I don't know. I don't feel any pride in that even though my family was in it. I had one great grandpa in one of the battles shooting at the other
great grandpa. There but for the grace of God, they say.
That the war hasn't ended completely for some segments still astonishes some but then they were defeated. That is hard to take. Ask about Viet Nam and you get the same sense of anger and fuck that. I don't know. It is real the offense felt on both sides, the southerners who feel offended about the northern-western attitudes toward them and the north-west feeling the burn of southern attitudes. The war still rages. Until we all agree on a national unity then it will. The pugs are good at division and feeding off the southern angst over the war and all the changes it brought as well as the sense of angst over being defeated doesn't help. I don't know if this is explained the way I feel but that is what I feel as a descendent of winners (northern yankees) and losers (southern rebels)
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Deriving False Pride based on an accident of birth is just plain stupid.
"My state is better than YOUR state" is just plain stupid and adolescent.
Pointing fingers at the splinter in someone else's eye while ignoring the log imbedded in one's own eye is just plain....
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)is from Idaho. We got it square in the face from everyone for that. Also, our state shares its resource wealth with our citizens even though no one else does. We get slagged for that too. People do what they do. The onus for me is not to let it bother me. I live in a glorious place having been raised in a glorious place. I don't care what others say about it. These things are cyclic. Someone always gets slagged. It doesn't make it right. It doesn't make it less stupid. It is what it is.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Not individuals, and especially not progressive individuals.
cordelia
(2,174 posts)went back and pulled the old Rush Limbaugh type ploy of "oh, I wasn't really serious...."
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Cali_Democrat
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B Calm
(28,762 posts)Glitterati
(3,182 posts)I hope other southern DUers will add to this list with the notables from their southern states.
One has to wonder how someone like President Carter or Congressman John Lewis would feel if they dropped by DU lately. No wonder Rham Emanuel called the left "fucking retards."
The bigots around here certainly make me sick with how many times they beseech the great names and legacies of southern people who have lived and died just because they were liberals.
I'll bet the liberal list from Texas would put us all to shame. Come on Texas DUers, make your list!
PBass
(1,537 posts)The difference between the North and the South is incremental... just shades of grey.
Just compare the states where Romney won with the states where Obama won... You wanna dismiss the big percentage of voters who went for Romney, in the North? You wanna dismiss the big percentage of Obama voters in the South?
Look at all the "swing states" in the North like PA and OH... lets not get too cocky about how enlightened we are.
I wish Molly Ivins was still here, because she did a good job at discussing this topic.
iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)Don't you know boarders in the form of imaginary lines always keep the riffraff out?
how could racism and nut-jobbery possibly exist above the Mason Dixon !?!?!
unfortunately ignorance and racism don't respect made up lines.. and they certainly don't discriminate when it comes to whom they infect.
racism is definitely not racist! it infects any and all human beings who have a willingness to accept hate and anger as a response to their inability to deal with jealousy and accept responsibility for the problems in their own lives (its an easy scape goat).
antiquie
(4,299 posts)• I believe all Southern liberals come from the same starting point -- race. Once you figure out they are lying to you about race, you start to question everything.
• If you grew up white before the civil rights movement anywhere in the South, all grown-ups lied. They'd tell you stuff like, "Don't drink out of the colored fountain, dear, it's dirty." In the white part of town, the white fountain was always covered with chewing gum and the marks of grubby kids' paws, and the colored fountain was always clean. Children can be horribly logical.
• In Texas, we do not hold high expectations for the [governor's] office; it's mostly been occupied by crooks, dorks and the comatose.
• Good thing we've still got politics in Texas -- finest form of free entertainment ever invented.
• [on Texas politics] Better than the zoo. Better than the circus.
• I dearly love the state of Texas, but I consider that a harmless perversion on my part, and discuss it only with consenting adults.
• Naturally, when it comes to voting, we in Texas are accustomed to discerning that fine hair's-breadth worth of difference that makes one hopeless dipstick slightly less awful than the other. But it does raise the question: Why bother?
Oh, it's just that your life is at stake.
• It's a low-tax, low-service state--so shoot us. The only depressing part is that, unlike Mississippi, we can afford to do better. We just don't.
• Texas' performance, or lack of it, on Medicaid is already the subject of one federal court order and is likely to attract another as we continue to lag in providing health insurance for poor kids.
• As they say around the Texas Legislature, if you can't drink their whiskey, screw their women, take their money, and vote against 'em anyway, you don't belong in office.
http://womenshistory.about.com/od/quotes/a/molly_ivins_2.htm
ancianita
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PADemD
(4,482 posts)Just visit PA. We have all of those.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)This OP is a big ol' shit stirrin' strawman....
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)You included.
I'm betting Jimmy Carter would beg to differ with you.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Hey, Nelson Mandela was there, so you must have been painting him with that brush.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I suppose there were no good people under Nazi Germany either...but we still went to war there....to save some others
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)During the actual Civil War...there were SOME abolitionists in the South. I guess Lincoln shouldn't have sent Sherman into the south because SOME there didn't mind ending slavery!
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Therefore, by applying that consistently, we may safely blame all members of a particular gender which contains more rapists of, well... rape?
(Insert distinction without a difference here)
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)should Lincoln have not broad brushed the South...because some people DIDN'T own slaves..
this analogy is ridiculous...
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)As the vast majority of rapists (both internationally and nationally) are men, I may then safely broad-brush in that instance too?
Or (and I find this more likely) broad-brushes, besides being a logical fallacy, are indicative of a simple mind.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)and I think not understanding WHY someone brushes you broadly...is an indication of an even simpler mind. This whole premise is "simple" if you ask me..
johnp3907
(3,732 posts)Broad brush, you say?
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Trashing this op
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)that a simple list of great southern liberals upsets people.
cordelia
(2,174 posts)Thank you for your effort in compiling that list.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)is the hypocrisy of accusing ME of using a broad brush while allowing the broad brush attacks against people from the south to stand without a call out.
Evidently, broad brush attacks are perfectly fine as long as they agree with them.
stlsaxman
(9,236 posts)They are incredible, wonderful Americans worth our celebrating, every one.
I would add that not a single one of these great southern liberals would stoop so low as to get on a website and post a lurid, trolling straw-man "argument" like you just did, y'think?
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)broad brush.
No fun being on the other end of that broad brush southern Democrats are subjected to daily on DU is it?
Just in case it went *woosh* right over your head.
stlsaxman
(9,236 posts)They are your betters.
Try to live up to their ideal- not exploit their names just to prove a point.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)I'm quite certain they are as proud as our southern liberals as I am.
stlsaxman
(9,236 posts)that others have placed upon them for their actions and achievements.
yours is the pride the nationalist exploits so easily when their peoples feelings have been hurt.
If you're sick and tired of people bashing you- stop perpetuating it by bashing them back!
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)well, that strategy seems not to have worked at all.
stlsaxman
(9,236 posts)like 2014.
We NEED each other to take back The House. North and South alike.
Choose your battles wisely, my dog!
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)walk away.
Not until the south bashing on DU stops.
I'm from the south - I can certainly fight more than one battle at a time.
stlsaxman
(9,236 posts)Spock can put it better...
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)That is the title to this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x122258
More:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1853103
Those are just a couple and only the ones about Jimmy Carter. I'm not going to waste any more time digging up the rest that I have seen on DU through the years. They are there, if you want to open your eyes and go look instead of making a false statement as if it as fact.
Of course, I just wasted my time, because you are going to trivialize these OPs I posted links to and dismiss them with some excuse. 
You just keep on believing none of those people have ever been bashed here on DU. That is what you are going to do anyhow.
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)Bash my home state of Montana, there are a whole bunch of teabaggers there, the Unabomber was there, some crazy guy from Montana tried to harm Congress once and got killed trying.
Give the south a break, because I care about and honor our liberal DUers from the south and other red areas like the mountain west, who are trying so hard to change things for the better and are literally living in a combat zone politically and they come here and get insulted.
Please leave it be now. We are angry at the hate media and the billionaires that have lied to people, let's not take it out on whole regions of the nation because there is too much collateral damage when we do that.
Peace. Please????
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)It is people like you who can see that liberals do exist in the south and on DU and agree on the same issues here, that keep me from leaving this site. How can we win elections if we spend all this time hating each other? We can't. We can do a much better job of winning elections if we work together regardless of what area of the country we are from. The Civil War is over. We are all in this country together. It is time to work together to fight the Republicans tooth and nail.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Last edited Sat Oct 19, 2013, 04:07 PM - Edit history (1)
They serve no decent purpose. Those determined to "bash" the South will do so regardless, and the rest of DU will
judge the denizens of the South appropriately.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)so those of us PROUD of our southern liberals should just shut the hell up?
No, as long as you allow people to come here and paint with broad bigoted brushes, I'll continue to call them out.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Glitterati
(3,182 posts)is to call it out, name it, point and laugh at it.
Silence in the face of it allows it to continue.
Cannikin
(8,359 posts)I'd like to see how many times it takes a redneck pummeling you into the ground before you realize that isn't an effective strategy.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)Wow, such FEAR on display!
Cannikin
(8,359 posts)Mouthing off to a racist redneck is a good way to end up in a hospital.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)when I encounter bigotry and racism, I am NEVER silent.
I mouth off every time. I call them out. I tell them they are bigots and racists.
We only DEFEAT bigotry and racism by calling it out, giving it the light of day.
And these bigoted bullies turn away red faced every time.
Cannikin
(8,359 posts)I'd like to see your courage demonstrated here. As a matter of fact, a lot of the racists are gathering today for an "open carry" gun rally. A good time to confront them as a group and tell them they have to conform to your views. The people here don't like being told how to think and speak. Mouth off all you want from your computer, but if you've got the guts to do it in person, I hope you're prepared to use your fists.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)I'm very busy in Georgia.
Cannikin
(8,359 posts)Please post some videos of your courageous engagements with racists sometime. I'd like to be inspired them. Good luck!
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)In a derogatory manner is just as bad. I wish it would go out of fashion here.
Cannikin
(8,359 posts)Its a culture. It would be like telling the LGBT community to stop calling themselves queer. I don't like the word. I find it offensive if someone calls me that, but who am I to tell others they can't use it?
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)The EXACT behavior of a bigot called out.......run, run, I didn't make up the word, THEY did!
You used it, you own it.
And you just got called out for it.
Cannikin
(8,359 posts)Again, who am I to tell them they can't wear redneck apparel and put "Redneck as Hell" on the backs of their trucks? Telling them to conform to someone elses standards is exactly what I'm fighting against.
Still waiting to see you courageously call out a racist to his face.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)I guess:
Politicub
(12,165 posts)And I'm from the south.
It rings as confederate to me, and I just don't like it.
I'm as progressive as they come and live in the liberal oasis of Atlanta, but the surrounding counties are where I would expect to someone to wax poetic about their precious southern pride.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)It is an inconvenient truth that many on DU would like to pretend doesn't exist.
What you say about those who hate southerns on DU will always hate southerners on DU is true, but the problem with giving these threads a "rest" is that it kicks the can down the road. Liberals in the south could use a lot of help when elections come around. We are faced with some of the worst gerrymandering, vote rigging, voter list scrubbing, and other law breaking by Republicans every single election down here. We try to raise hell about it down here, but until y'all look into it too and start spreading the news nationwide, nothing gets done. What happens in the south, that is wrong, stays in the south, unless and until the entire nation hears about it. Otherwise, it gets swept under the rug and the "good ol' boys" club gets to stay in charge in the worst red areas down here.
The problem is that when we do try to spread the word or ask for help in how to deal with the severe Republican problem we have down here, we get told we are less than and basically are expected to wave a magic want to make the extreme right wing go away. It doesn't work that way. The entire south would be a liberal mecca if I had that magic wand. I'm sure if many other southern DUers had that magic wand, it would be too.
Kicking the can down the road and looking down on us for not being able to move mountains in the midst of all the bullshit gerrymandering and other crap we have to deal with is not helping one bit. Telling us to just move is not going to solve the problem either.
You want more Democratic presidents and congressmen and congresswomen? Great! We do too. Help us fight the damn gerrymandering for a start you will see a marked difference in how elections come out down here. Solving that issue, alone, would make a big difference. I think you would be surprised.
Telling us to STFU, basically, is not going to solve the problems that the country has with Republicans holding the country hostage with their backassward crap.
Liberals in the south have to put up with an insurmountable amount of bullshit down here. We don't need bullshit when we come to DU too.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)
demmiblue
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Glitterati
(3,182 posts)from multiple sources, and wikipedia.
demmiblue
(36,865 posts)Glitterati
(3,182 posts)OK, keep trying.
I would be impressed if you worked so hard to hide the bigotry displayed on DU of late.
demmiblue
(36,865 posts)No alert from me, so there goes your theory.
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)If you do not source, you have committed plagiarism. That is not allowed.
That you broad brush DU by saying that the whole site broad brushes the south is allowed. It is stupid, illogical, and embarrassing, but it is allowed.
That you compare someone saying that southern whites are racially biased with jim crow, desegregation, and denial of voting rights is just dumb.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)Proud and loud of my southern heritage.
Too bad that makes you so uncomfortable.
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)Just what part of southern heritage do want to be so loud about?
woolldog
(8,791 posts)Because that's a big part of your southern heritage right? State's rights, right?
Warpy
(111,274 posts)Doesn't deserve a response.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)Because there is simply NO EXCUSE to allow the broad brush bigotry so prevalent on DU of late.
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)Do you know what broad brush means?
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)Like I said, using a broad brush isn't productive just like broad brush bashing of the south.
Evidently, the south bashers can broad brush, but the defenders are denied the ability.
Just in case the example went *woosh* right over your head.
Not fun being on the other end of that brush is it?
Logical
(22,457 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Look, I don't go in for regional bashing, but criticizing southern republicans in the House and Senate as well as Southern guvs and legislatures is not analogous to bashing Jimmy carter.
So you think Congressman John Lewis would feel comfortable on DU lately?
A broad brush stroke covers people you don't intend to.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)And neither do YOU. I don't play that game, because I, unlike you, actually realize that I can't mind read, gilt.
I will point this out: I have never seen anything but praise, respect and love for Lewis here at DU
As someone who is careful to work on not making broad brush aspersions (except regarding tea partiers and fundamentalist wingnuts in power), I see very clearly that YOU are doing just what you decry. You are making broad brush accusations.
and they're bullshit.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)no broad brush accusations from me, just FACT.
It's easy to see unless you are willfully blinded to it.
I find it amazing that a simple list of great southern liberals from the State of Georgia is so upsetting to people.
How sad for DU.
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)And yes. You are doing exactly what you condemn. You condemn all of DU. But your anger has made you willfully blind.
OMG. Did you just call yourself out? You are a DU member. How sad for you.
cali
(114,904 posts)and it's almost impossible to have anything remotely resembling a rational discussion with folks like that. Your opinion is not fact. It may be your truth or whatever but that is NOT fact. ack. I wish people would learn that.
the simple list of great southern liberals upsets no one, dear. It's op title that claims that people bash such people that is drawing ire and fire.
Anything you say........
Can't defend the behavior so attack the person.
Not. gonna. work.
cali
(114,904 posts)here attack Southern liberals everyday. It's a flat out, er, prevarication. You provide not an iota of evidence for the claim.
From where I stand, making a a false claim that casts aspersions on your fellow duers is not a good thing to do.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)you don't like being on the other end of that broad brush you so deftly use against Southern Democrats?
Make you uncomfortable?
GOOD!
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)unsupported manner. You should offer citations of your assertions, but you won't because you can't.
Intellectually dishonest.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)a simple search proves your supposed anger misplaced.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)If you could, you would but you can't so instead you make personal comments against DUers.
If you could prove your claims you would. But you don't because you can't.
cordelia
(2,174 posts)When they swing that broad brush, they're bashing those people. And me.
And that bigotry is condoned here, if not celebrated by some.
Courtesy Flush
(4,558 posts)Every time there's a right wing victory of any kind, the same old predictable South bashing threads pop up.
tavernier
(12,392 posts)Usually it's justified, but sometimes the senile label gets old.
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)Stop whining.
Everyone gets bashed.
The alternative is for you to argue that the South and southern culture are bastions of liberal thought and action, the the south more than the north or west or east is more tolerant and forgiving and progressive. You can't do that with a straight face. You do the same thing your are accusing others of when you broad brush DU members.
Like I said, stop whining. I live here. The south has a lot to answer for. You got bigots everywhere, but in the south it is often expected. I can't tell you how many times I have been at some function, business or social, where I have to stop some asshole and ask him or her why he or she thinks it is okay to talk that way as if I would agree with their drivel.
The premise of you post is ludicrous. You name the exceptions the prove the opposite of your point. I understand that you are upset, but your pique has defeated your sense of logic.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)what is illogical about posting a list of great southern liberals?
Really? How sad.
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)to you why you are being illogical and embarrassing.
Why would I think that I could get through to you when you have ignored and snarked on all those who tried before. You show no signs of wanting to understand.
Enjoy your huff. You only make the point for those who disagree with you.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)So now a list of great southern liberals is embarassing.
Got it.
cali
(114,904 posts)bashing southern liberals.
Oh, you can find people who bash Jimmy Carter over Israel, but that sure as hell doesn't count.
No one here bashes southern liberals.
Your op title is a blatant falsehood and that's what people are attacking. this isn't rocket science. It's almost mind numbingly simple, and yet you seem wholly incapable of grasping the obvious.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)broad-brush (brôdbrsh)
adj.
Sweepingly general in scope or thrust: an unfair, broad-brush indictment of all public officials.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/broad-brush
So, in your world, *I* am not allowed to broad brush a group of people, yet you defend the broad brush bashing of the south.
Oooookay!
Don't like the tables turned on you, I guess?
cali
(114,904 posts)it's just something I abjure and have little patience for.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)gotcha!
Broad brushes are no fun when they're turned on you are they?
steve2470
(37,457 posts)
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)Things will not settle down if we keep up the tit for tat stuff.
Everyone here knows all about those Liberals, and many more from the southern states. Everyone knows there is always going to be some here that bash the south no matter what. Yes, there are one or two, i think, that pick a subject of the moment and continue to beat it in the ground to keep us stirred up. I've just started loling! at them..
You and I know there is still terrible racism in the south, but it is getting better day by day. Don't let anything said here, on a message board, keep you from working towards the goal.
I do my part every day and I'm sure you to do. Let's keep doing that, okay?
Not just no, but HELL NO.
As long as you allow these people to bash the south, it will continue tit for tat.
And the fact that you think southerners should sit down and shut up is telling all by itself.
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)I'm born and raised in the south. I know the south. We still have a lot of work to do.
I didn't tell anyone to sit down and shut up. Matter of fact, I politely said "Get off your ass and get out in the real world (south) and try to made it better. One step at a time.
If all you want to do is keep up the anger, the whining, and the bashing of the bashers, that's fine too. I'll just add you to my lol! list.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)broad brushes mean those southern "rules" go out the window.
I'll NOT stand by and let anyone call these people names. Nor my southern born and raised children. Nor ANYONE from the south who busts ass everyday to effect change.
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)Not sure how you plan to stop them, though. I can almost see you stomping your feet with hands on hip just from reading you. That always does a bunch of good.
My southern born and raised children seem to be doing just fine, and have been raised to not let words on a message board get them all fired up.
Yes, that may sound hypocritical because I too was angry over the past week with all the nonsense. But then I realized it's a couple trolls doing their very best to stir shit up here. ANd, only a few others that constantly bash the south. So, I said "Chill, Sissyk." And, I did. Might be good for your health if you did too.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)I do the same in real life.
Racism and bigotry can't stand the light of day and the only way to defeat it is to call it out.
Whenever one encounters it. Everywhere one encounters it.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)and deservedly so. You might also want to check on President Carter's early Georgia politics. I think the world of Carter, especially nowadays, but he's come a long way from his record in the 1960s and what he felt he had to do to get elected in the South.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)This list is just killing you isn't it Hoyt?
I did it just for you.
bonniebgood
(943 posts)referring to this exceptional list you compiled or Individuals. It's POLITICS. The rot is coming from the Top, people who make the law, wheel power in these southern states. Did YOU see the list of 18 senators who voted to keep the government shut down and let the country go in default? Most are from The south. Southern Governor will not accept ACA/Obamacare in their STates where most poor people live.
If you understood politics and political culture in the South you would self delete this post.
Mike Malloy lives in GA. Randi Rhodes FL. I suppose you have never listen to or
heard of them. tune in sometimes he/she can educate you about GA and FL politics.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)of southern greats?
Wow, amazing how much this list of great people simply destroys the arguments of bigots.
Honey, I live in the south. I own a home in Georgia in the reddest of red counties, where bigots and racists THRIVE daily. Where according to the voting machines, they vote 90% republican every election. Where there wasn't even a DEM party organization for most of my life here.
Don't EVEN try to teach me about southern politics.
You seem to be missing a great deal of southern politics yourself - evidently Mike Malloy needs to refresh his commentary if THAT'S what you take from Mike.
cordelia
(2,174 posts)Why don't you start at thread about that?
City Lights
(25,171 posts)I don't bash Southerners.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)THAT'S the point.
Just in case, it went *woosh* right over your head.
City Lights
(25,171 posts) That'll really get your point across.
Two wrongs make a right, don'cha know.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)so a simple list of great Georgia liberals is a "wrong" somehow.
OK.
Botany
(70,516 posts)BillyRibs
(787 posts)Then bash Jersey....Oh Yeah, you already do that.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)
"He believed that the First Amendment erected a metaphorical wall of separation between church and state. During his career Black wrote several important opinions relating to church-state separation. He delivered the opinion of the court in Everson v. Board of Education (1947), which held that the establishment clause was applicable not only to the federal government, but also to the states.
"Black's majority opinion in McCollum v. Board of Education (1948) held that the government could not provide religious instruction in public schools. In Torcaso v. Watkins (1961), he delivered an opinion which affirmed that the states could not use religious tests as qualifications for public office. Similarly, he authored the majority opinion in Engel v. Vitale (1962), which declared it unconstitutional for states to require the recitation of official prayers in public schools.
"Justice Black is often regarded as a leading defender of First Amendment rights such as the freedom of speech and of the press. He refused to accept the doctrine that the freedom of speech could be curtailed on national security grounds. Thus, in New York Times Co. v. United States (1971), he voted to allow newspapers to publish the Pentagon Papers despite the Nixon Administration's contention that publication would have security implications. In his concurring opinion, Black stated,
"In the First Amendment the Founding Fathers gave the free press the protection it must have to fulfill its essential role in our democracy. The press was to serve the governed, not the governors. The Government's power to censor the press was abolished so that the press would remain forever free to censure the Government. The press was protected so that it could bare the secrets of government and inform the people. Only a free and unrestrained press can effectively expose deception in government. [...] The word 'security' is a broad, vague generality whose contours should not be invoked to abrogate the fundamental law embodied in the First Amendment. —New York Times Co. v. United States, 403 U.S. 713, 714 (1971)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Black
He was from Alabama. Without him, governmental forces would have been able to squash free speech faster.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)Another great man!
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)A Catholic hater, and a segregationist, "great man" indeed. 
woolldog
(8,791 posts)
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)How gracious of you. I'm glad you are not blaming us for the other 21. By the way, who is to blame for the other 21?
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)The absurd denial that the heart of republican lunacy is "Dixie" is not helping your side's argument.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)I guess she is our fault too...somehow. I guess her kind of extreme right wing lunacy is acceptable because she came from above the Mason Dixon line and has lived most of her life completely outside of the south. How is her crap any better than a southern teabagger's crap? Because she is not from the south, she is somehow better?
And she is not the only one. You still haven't explained to me who is at fault for the rest of the teabaggers in Congress. How is "Dixie" still at fault for the ones from the rest of the country. Please explain to me how southern DUers are at fault for any of the ones from anywhere, because we vote for Democrats, not fucking knuckledragging teabaggers. I know Michelle Bachmann is somehow our fault too?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Bachmann
My bad. I see it now. She went to a college in Oklahoma for a while. She must have gotten southern "cooties" while she was there, because she was perfect before she decided to attend Oral Roberts University of her own free will, right?
Moses2SandyKoufax
(1,290 posts)He clearly said 55%. In no language, or translation does 55%=100%!
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)but that would be wrong.
Moses2SandyKoufax
(1,290 posts)that liberals from the north (non-south) will actually admit to, and acknowledge their region's shortcomings. Southern liberals tend to think that their problems are private, or not as bad as the ones that exist elsewhere. What they don't seem to understand, is that when their friends, neighbors, family members, and co-workers send their "problems" to Washington, it negatively affects everyone else in the country. As you pointed out, most of the "problems" seems to originate from the south.
cordelia
(2,174 posts)much.
Moses2SandyKoufax
(1,290 posts)I understand that it doesn't bode well for progress, and progressive causes when 55% of the tea party caucus is returned to the house every two years, and when folks like Saxby Chambliss, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, David Vitter, Lindsey Graham, Jeff Sessions, Ted Cruz, John Bozeman ect. are sent back to Washington every six years.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Looking for a pissing match are you?
Congrats, looks like you've found several.
Sorry I wasted my time opening this flamebait thread.
Have a nice day.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)Suddenly a list of great southern liberals is flamebait!
How telling.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)It's your snotty fucking attitude.
Welcome to the Trash.
Go ahead and have the last word, I'm done with your juvenile pity party.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)isn't a snotty fucking attitude. I see.
OK, just in case you missed it, using a broad bush attack against folks who are your allies isn't terribly productive.
Pointing it out because, evidently, it went *woosh* right over your head.
drynberg
(1,648 posts)BLUENESS & self interest based progressiveness. Let's go.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)I will say I love all of my liberal friends no matter where you live. It is human nature to want to be a part of a group, to the exclusion of others, I say fight that! I get angry when I see someone saying Texas should secede, whether it is Gov Dumbass Perry or a fellow DU'er. I think that is the point here. There are good & bad in every state, though I will be the 1st to admit that my state has way more than its fair share. I am working to fix this and will say that we need all the help we can get! Let's stop doing the things that divide us and work together.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)We fight the good fight every day.
And we southern Democrats shouldn't have to come to DU and have to fight in a place that should be our sanctuary from the madness.
Yet, we do.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)
spanone
(135,844 posts)Another GREAT southern Democrat.
Thank you, spanone.
Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)"cuz Gore was too lib'rul, and, by gawd, I could see myself sitting down for a beer with Boosh!"
spanone
(135,844 posts)
madokie
(51,076 posts)and damn sure no bashing any of our greats from there.
Conium
(119 posts)Even in redder-than-red Oklahoma (the name itself means "red people" in Choctaw), President Obama received 442,647 votes in 2012.
Supporting our President may not mean someone is a wild-eyed liberal, but realize we aren't all knuckle-draggers.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)In fact, these very same people effectively "bash" Southern political culture in their own work. You don't own them, the South doesn't own them, nobody owns them for use as a strawman in an argument. This is a right wing and neoliberal/capitalist political culture all around the country, and the South happens to be the bastion of the worst. So? Saying so isn't "bashing" the South as such. Why do you feel bashed when the obvious is pointed out? Provincialism and false identification is a big part of the problem.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)when one uses a broad brush attack on ANYone they tarnish folks they don't intend to.
You don't like the example? Oh, well, then, perhaps it would behoove you to call out ALL broad brush attacks on anyone on DU.
Including. The. South. Bashers.
You've got a lot of work to do, better get busy.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Of "bashing" the South per se. So you're the one who needs to do the work of locating these imaginary broad-brush attacks. And if you find one, it won't be from me, so whatever. The work you really need to do, it seems, is work on changing this deplorable state of affairs wherein the South so consistently votes the worst of the worst into office (while other regions vote in many of the worst as well, of course).
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)Just take a gander at the LATEST thread on DU.
There's even a special page for that in case you didn't know.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)You really need to quit sounding like a "strict constructionist" when someone says something about the South. No one is bashing the people you listed above, it's those that worked to make their life miserable who are being criticized.
According to you, someone saying this would be "bashing" Georgia -- "I own a home in Georgia in the reddest of red counties, where bigots and racists THRIVE daily."
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)You don't like being on the butt end of that broad brush you use so often?
It makes you uncomfortable? GOOD!
THAT WAS THE POINT.
Just in case you missed it.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)They deserve it, and probably worse.
You almost sound like you are apologizing for them as some poor misunderstood American Patriots.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)thank you for making DU a miserable place for those of us who find it more productive to fight for Democrats in our neighborhoods, on our streets and in our polling places.
ancianita
(36,080 posts)the South. But when the visibility of their oppressive leaders' politics affects millions, it's hard not to foreground that.
On the one hand, there are the great leaders who headed the civil rights movement. But remember, it was the South's nullification laws -- laws established by huge numbers of Southerners -- they were leading the rest of Southern liberals against. Southerners hosed, beat, shot and lynched them all along the way.
Then there are the rest of the list above. Notice that half of them had to be great by their own initiative and not through vote support by large numbers of people.
Overall, Democrats in the South are struggling (I lived in North Florida many years) and I've noticed lots of shout out threads on DU in support of their efforts, especially during election time. So, if you direct your OP just to a couple of people, you shouldn't be surprised that very few on DU are willing to help you backpedal or legitimize it with additional 'greats,' though I appreciated reading more on Hugo Black.
If you need to try the "success by association" tack, you just can't ignore the institutionalization and voting habits of millions of Southern states' people to get right wing Republicans in leadership positions that solidify the rights oppressions of people just born into this rigged race game. We have to also remember who rigged the race game.
If you realize the intergenerational culture of racism and ignorance that pervades the South, you can see how others would also do the opposite of what you're doing -- try the "failure by association" tack. So, realizing that this is a BIG political party and that you'll never 'purify' it to your satisfaction, let's promote the South's strengths while at the same time pointing out its weaknesses. That would be a discussion worth having.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)Until 2002 the State of Georgia was DEMOCRATICALLY controlled for 130 years.
But, none of that matters to these assholes who bash the south.
Not one fact alters their racism. And, that's what it is plain and simple - RACISM.
Yes, what you see on DU is what the Democratic party has become - because those "Republicans" controlling Georgia now? Yeah, they WERE Democrats once - until the Republicans gained control of this state and they switched parties. AFTER THEY BANKRUPTED THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY running for office on Democratic money, and then switching parties.
On Tuesday, it all paid off: Mr. Perdue became the state's first elected Republican governor in 130 years. Mr. Chambliss unseated Senator Max Cleland, a decorated Vietnam war hero. The nation's longest-serving State House speaker, Tom Murphy, was sent packing after 28 years. The Democratic State Senate majority leader was also defeated, as was his son, who lost a Congressional race in a district that had been redrawn just for him.
The victories did not stop on Election Day, either. On Friday, three Democratic state senators switched parties, giving Republicans control of a legislative chamber for the first time since Reconstruction.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/10/us/2002-election-georgia-bush-s-push-eager-volunteers-big-turnout-led-georgia-sweep.html
But these racist, bigoted south bashers care not one whit for FACTS. They just enjoy bashing the hell out of us instead of getting up off their lazy asses and helping DO something about it.
ancianita
(36,080 posts)it happened. But that's something you don't seem to want to explain, and it's not their fault that they don't know it.
But it turned because the Democrats eventually took the 'Republican' side to be anti-racist and to de-institutionalize racism, which Southern whites, who had intergenerationally enculturated racisim, just couldn't abide. And so came the yellow dog Democrats for at least twenty years, who have turned Southern Republican since the 70's. But the leadership infrastructure and voter suppression mechanisms were always there.
If you have hard feelings toward Democrats here, just know that there are lots and lots of Democrats all throughout the South who are building voting blocks in tough places. Also, remember that it's hard for a region to live down any of its systematic oppressions. But immigrants are moving there, anyway, and blue states will likely emerge eventually.
On a personal level, I live in a pretty safe blue state, so my hub and I are registering ourselves in a red district in Florida -- Vern Buchanan's district -- just so I can fact sheet like hell on street corners, and make a dent in the culture of stupidity that that chamber of commerce panderer to old folks' ignorance has built -- and try like hell to get his ass out of there.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)Until 2002 the State of Georgia was DEMOCRATICALLY controlled for 130 years.
But, none of that matters to these assholes who bash the south.
Not one fact alters their racism. And, that's what it is plain and simple - RACISM.
Yes, what you see on DU is what the Democratic party has become - because those "Republicans" controlling Georgia now? Yeah, they WERE Democrats once - until the Republicans gained control of this state and they switched parties. AFTER THEY BANKRUPTED THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY running for office on Democratic money, and then switching parties.
On Tuesday, it all paid off: Mr. Perdue became the state's first elected Republican governor in 130 years. Mr. Chambliss unseated Senator Max Cleland, a decorated Vietnam war hero. The nation's longest-serving State House speaker, Tom Murphy, was sent packing after 28 years. The Democratic State Senate majority leader was also defeated, as was his son, who lost a Congressional race in a district that had been redrawn just for him.
The victories did not stop on Election Day, either. On Friday, three Democratic state senators switched parties, giving Republicans control of a legislative chamber for the first time since Reconstruction.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/10/us/2002-election-georgia-bush-s-push-eager-volunteers-big-turnout-led-georgia-sweep.html
But these racist, bigoted south bashers care not one whit for FACTS. They just enjoy bashing the hell out of us instead of getting up off their lazy asses and helping DO something about it.
These people COULD HAVE made a difference just by asking the national Democratic party to get involved in Georgia and just BILL these Democrats for the DEM money they used to get elected and then switch parties.
Instead, these Democrats turned republicans just bankrupted the Georgia Democratic party.
And the national Democratic party just walked away.
ancianita
(36,080 posts)that I knew about. White liberals came from all over the country to help during the Civil Rights movement.
Liberals right here on DU actually send money to Texas' Wendy Davis (the most visible example I can think of), Alany Grayson and to candidates in Virginia's, Kentucky's and other Southern state races. I've been among them.
DU can't just rah-rah a South that has Republican state control. It has to name, shame and game that system until its struggling Democrats can gain more influence, if not outright power.
You yourself sound as if you need to give more history lessons to bolster liberal urges to help Democrats in minority struggles there. Maybe then you'd feel better.
Right now, your dukes are up and this partisan party's big enough for other punchers to play with you. Point out DU flaws with less anger, more information. That would make a good thread.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)Just today's ability to bash the south.
Enjoy.
ancianita
(36,080 posts)Glitterati
(3,182 posts)yet the south bashing continues daily.
In the single place that should be a SANCTUARY for those of us fighting the good fight.
Right here on DU.
Yet, we come here to find we're just not good enough. Not. Ever. On a daily basis.
ancianita
(36,080 posts)a tough reality of life. But I do believe that if you really are not a regionalist in your identity, you will find more comfort here in likeminded political chat.
You can't be a Democrat in the South's house and not feel pitied by the rest of the national neighborhood.
We know you and everyone else here were born into a rigged game. None of us made the bad old rules, and some of us just aren't supportive enough of the folks in the Southern house. But we're here to help its members refurbish that house's culture and politics.
You have made people here rethink their sensitivity toward those who struggle in that house, so your thread has done some good, I daresay.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)against this community. It is also by the way insipid to claim there should be no criticism of current cultural figures and entertainers if they come from your region. When you add to your list people I freaking know and have to deal with, and you claim they are somehow superior and protected when they say and do things I do not care for you are being a supremacist. Tyler? Seriously? For every compliment I could offer for Kenny Leon I could add 2 criticisms of Tyler's work, of Tyler's bigoted attitudes, sure he makes bank but when one has no ethics and is willing to pander to the lowest minds it is easy to crack jokes and cash checks. Tyler supported Obama, other than that he's a conservative.
Spike Lee, American genius of the cinema, has many very harsh words for Perry, he is far more critical of him than I am. Is Spike 'Bashing the South' when he as a filmmaker takes issue with his peer filmmaker's sexism and racist modalities?
Tyler Perry's films are filled with anti gay material as well as misogyny and what the kids on DU call 'slut shaming'. He is a greedy, nasty, mean, bigoted purveyor of lies and insults to others. He is a homophobe.
If you claim criticism of Tyler is 'bashing the South' I have to assume that you are claiming that you and the entire South agree with Tyler's homophobia and that people get HIV for being sinners. That's what you are demanding that others respect.
Like a Tyler Perry drama, this OP is about as bigoted and shameful as a product can get.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)that one can't even express pride in their fellow citizens who work their asses off every day to affect change.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Tyler works to make money for Tyler, not to affect change. His films are retrograde and lean heavily on stereotypes and prejudice. I note you do not seem to mind any of that, you still demand Tyler be praised. Because of where he is from, not for what he does, which is make anti gay jokes and blame women for having a sexuality of any kind.
I understand that Tyler is right in step with the people of his State and of the South because all of those States allow open discrimination against LGBT people in housing, in employment and in rendering services. Tyler's work helps rationalize those bigoted laws just as you do by insisting that bigots deserve our praise if they come from the South. Insipid.
Spike Lee on Tyler Perry's films: "I know it's making a lot of money and breaking records, but we can do better. ... I am a huge basketball fan, and when I watch the games on TNT, I see these two ads for these two shows (Tyler Perry's 'Meet the Browns' and 'House of Payne'), and I am scratching my head. We got a black president, and we going back to Mantan Moreland and Sleep 'n' Eat?"
Tyler's intellectual response: "I'm so sick of hearing about damn Spike Lee. Spike can go straight to hell! You can print that."
Oddly it is Tyler who claims to be a Big Christian.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)you stay stuck on the negative.
The rest of us will pick up your slack.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)your State.
I'll praise and celebrate some Georgia artists you somehow forgot about, who are not bigoted.
How's Michael Stipe in your view? He's the singer from REM, a Georgia band that is one of my favorites. Heard of him? He sure is not on your list...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Stipe
From the 1900's I'd mention Monroe 'Pink' Morton who built the Morton Theater in Athens Georgia and in doing so opened Athens to the world and kick stared one of America's great arts scenes.
I will not praise some homophobic hack 'cause he came from Georgia. Plenty of good genius is Georgia to celebrate. B-52's. First time I heard them the song was on a cassette they sent to a radio station in LA. I listened to the song for about 6 hours in a row. Kate, Fred, Cindy, Ricky and Keith all have my fanboy love and crazy admiration.
So you have your tripping to do, go do it.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)you go on. Stay with the negative.
We'll pick up your slack.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)of where I am from or because of who I am and the things I advocate?
Why no praise from you for the Georgians I mentioned as being great artists and historic boosters of our culture?
I don't approve of Tyler Perry's sexism and homophobia. You seem to be fine with that stuff, in fact you are saying clearly that to criticize Perry's homophobia is 'negative'. You seek to shield the man and his work from the sort of criticism that is part and parcel of being an artist today, you demand that he alone is permitted opinion. Others have no rights to speak in our own defense against some trash talking millionaire out to pad his own closet with more cash.
Whatever. When I think of Georgia I think of Jimmy and B 52s and Mike Stipe. I think of Ray Charles. I think of that Midnight Train.
I bet you could not name anyone or any thing about or from my State, good or bad. Bet you have never been here.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)To ASS U ME is terribly unproductive.
Honey, I live in Georgia. I own a home in Georgia. I fight and stand in Georgia against the VERY homophobia you try to paint this thread with every single day.
I've raised my kids to be proud Georgians, to stand against bigotry of all kinds every single day.
And, I do it in the reddest of red counties in this state, unafraid of the daily threats and and nastiness I put up with because of my LIBERALISM.
Have you ever had your kids attacked on the school bus because you DARED to put an Obama sign in your front yard?
Been asked to carry someone's gun to a meeting to work with Cynthia McKinney so you could shoot her for the racist?
Ever had your house set on fire because you DARED to be a proud liberal?
I have. EVERY SINGLE ON OF THOSE THINGS.
I stand against these people every day. Proudly. And at great risk.
Only to come to DU, which should be a HAVEN to rest from the fight and replenish, only to be called all kinds of names, to be bashed, to be told I'm not WORTHY.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)The South, as a whole, is a bastion of christofascist tea party nutjobs.
40% of the South are not... but 60% are.
Just as there are teabag nutjobs in NY, there are sane liberals in Dallas.
But they are the exceptions. As a whole, meaning the majority, the South is fucked up.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)Until 2002 the State of Georgia was DEMOCRATICALLY controlled for 130 years.
But, none of that matters to these assholes who bash the south.
Not one fact alters their racism. And, that's what it is plain and simple - RACISM.
Yes, what you see on DU is what the Democratic party has become - because those "Republicans" controlling Georgia now? Yeah, they WERE Democrats once - until the Republicans gained control of this state and they switched parties. AFTER THEY BANKRUPTED THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY running for office on Democratic money, and then switching parties.
On Tuesday, it all paid off: Mr. Perdue became the state's first elected Republican governor in 130 years. Mr. Chambliss unseated Senator Max Cleland, a decorated Vietnam war hero. The nation's longest-serving State House speaker, Tom Murphy, was sent packing after 28 years. The Democratic State Senate majority leader was also defeated, as was his son, who lost a Congressional race in a district that had been redrawn just for him.
The victories did not stop on Election Day, either. On Friday, three Democratic state senators switched parties, giving Republicans control of a legislative chamber for the first time since Reconstruction.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/10/us/2002-election-georgia-bush-s-push-eager-volunteers-big-turnout-led-georgia-sweep.html
But these racist, bigoted south bashers care not one whit for FACTS. They just enjoy bashing the hell out of us instead of getting up off their lazy asses and helping DO something about it.
cordelia
(2,174 posts)They won't even try.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)Because the sanctuary DU is supposed to be for those of us in the south, fighting our asses off every day, turns into yet another battle.
Evidently, for these people, it's not enough for us to fight like hell on our streets and in our neighborhoods, DU has to be another fight scene daily.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)Continually pointing out that there are exceptions to the predominant culture of the south does NOT diminish the fact that the MAJORITY in the south have fucked up attitudes.
Congrats for not being part of the majority.... but that doesn't mean it isn't a majority.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)The thing you just don't seem to understand is that brush stroke touches us all, not just those you intend.
Just in case the point of this thread went *woosh* right over your head.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)By definition, that doesn't include the MINORITY.
The predominant culture of most of your neighbors is fucked up.
You are living in enemy territory. Good luck in converting your neighbors and helping them see the light. I'm rooting for you.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)For most of those 130 years that was a conservative, states rights, racist, party.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)Why, my goodness, I bet John Lewis would be surprised at being called a racist!
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)the history of the Democratic Party? Remember, Abe was a Republican and those who supported slavery had the name 'Democrat'. This is simple fact.
About the Georgia State Legislature:
"n September 1868 the legislature, dominated by Republicans, expelled its African American members. Energized, the black legislators, led by Turner, successfully lobbied the federal government to reseat them. They continued to concentrate on political and civil rights. For many of them, education had been their highest priority since 1865. With their solid support, Georgia adopted public education.
Conservatives used terror, intimidation, and the Ku Klux Klan to "redeem" the state. One quarter of the black legislators were killed, threatened, beaten, or jailed. In the December 1870 elections the Democrats won an overwhelming victory. In 1906 W. H. Rogers from McIntosh County was the last black legislator to be elected before blacks were legally disenfranchised in 1908."
http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/history-archaeology/black-legislators-during-reconstruction
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)I'm talking about people like Georgia Governor Richard Russell Jr a Democrat who was a member of the conservative coalition and someone who fought the civil rights movement tooth and nail (and opposed lynching laws)
Apparently you aren't ready to have a grown up debate about politics if you think I was calling John Lewis a racist or if you don't know the history of the Democratic party in the south up until Nixon and the Southern Strategy.
When Georgia was ruled by Democrats those Democrats were more like Tea Partiers. Zell Miller ring a bell?
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)You'll find a few just to make yourself feel better when you brush with broad strokes.
Because, by GAWD, you'll never admit you are wrong.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)This isn't about bigotry, these are facts!
The Declaration of Constitutional Principles (known informally as the Southern Manifesto) was a document written in February and March 1956, in the United States Congress, in opposition to racial integration of public places. The manifesto was signed by 99 politicians (97 Democrats) from Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia.
Signatories from Georgia:
Iris F. Blitch (D)
Paul Brown (D)
James C. Davis (D)
John James Flynt, Jr. (D)
Tic Forrester (D)
Phil M. Landrum (D)
Henderson Lanham (D)
J. L. Pilcher (D)
Prince H. Preston (D)
Carl Vinson (D)
(notice a trend among those politicians)
Only on DemocraticUnderground can you be called a "bigot" for knowing history and bringing up politicians who supported lynching and segregation. I guess it's easier to throw out insults than learn a little history.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)Boy, you had to go waaaaaaaaaaay back to use that broad brush!
Congratulations!
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)YOU'RE the one who's proud of 130 years of Democratic rule as if the Democratic party in the south was progressive.
By all means be proud of Lester Maddox, it's a free country. Just don't expect people to take you seriously.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)I have no intention of having a conversation with you.
Adult or otherwise.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)Accusing me of bigotry would be closer to accurate, but racism it is not.
I am white. The people that I am bashing are almost all white. Race has literally, absolutely nothing to do with anything.
I am bashing the predominant attitude, and the predominant culture.
The fact that you label this "racism" shows a stunning lack of education on your part.
You diminish the meaning of words when you use them incorrectly.
I am an anti-southern culture bigot, at most.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)Now, I can proudly call you a bigot every day on DU.
OK?
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)The majority of your neighbors in the south are christofascist idiots.
Congrats for not being one of them.
Does not diminish the FACT that the predominant culture in the south led to the creation of the tea party.
When you go to the store, the majority of the people around you are racist teabag dumbfucks.
Pointing out all the exceptions to the rule just reinforces my point. They are called "exceptions" for a reason.
I spend 3 months of every year living in the south. I see them every day.
You and I and our attitudes are the distinct minority.
When one of these states finally turns blue, I will stop hammering them:
Georgia, SC, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Texas, Kentucky.
Rebellious Republican
(5,029 posts)
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)But in the south, it is the majority.
Elsewhere, it is the minority.
russspeakeasy
(6,539 posts)
Sancho
(9,070 posts)Richard Riley (two term Governor of SC and Sec. of Ed. under Clinton)
LBJ
Jessie Jackson
Claude Pepper (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Pepper)
Bryan Dorn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Jennings_Bryan_Dorn)
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)They had Nelson Mandela, Desmond Tutu, and a whole bunch of oppressed folks.
But liberals kept complaining about South Africa.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)And bashed Nelson Mandela, Desmond Tutu and all the oppressed?
In the single bastion where they went to gather their wits about them when the fight got tough?
Because, you see, that's exactly what DU has become for southern Democrats........YOUR podium to attack us.
Enjoy your hypocrisy!
TomClash
(11,344 posts)You're kidding, right?
When was the last time a Representative from Minnesota or New York or Massachusetts spoke about "the War of Yankee Aggression" on the House floor?
No one here is bashing John Lewis or Jimmy Carter or anyone else on your list. We're bashing a region that elects Dominionists and elected 81 out of the 144 Representatives who voted to force the United States to default on its obligations. The same United States that gives that region more than it returns in taxes to these United States.
So who are the fuckin' retards, eh?
Logical
(22,457 posts)Glitterati
(3,182 posts)doesn't understand broad brush attacks.
Dictionary.com is a good place to help you find it.
Logical
(22,457 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)than actual south bashing threads. And no one here bashes southern liberals. Thats just silly.
Also... you havent been here for a primary season. You want to see some North bashing? Stick around. No state is spared from ridicule. You need a thick skin. Sugar-coating doesnt happen here.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Southerners need to get their own house in order before they start criticizing others.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)John Lewis isn't still in office?
My! What a surprise!
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Or is that massive chip on your shoulder blocking your view of reality?
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)The Wizard
(12,545 posts)the good old days of slavery is simply denial. Are there good people in the South? Absolutely. Was Nixon's Southern strategy successful for the Republicans since 1968? Yes. If you look at the percentage of Republican bigots from the South in Congress you get the impression that the South is a different culture than most of the country. Are there radical right wingers from the North in Congress? Yes. Scott Garrett (R NJ-5) comes to mind. A large segment of NJ-5 is closer to slave state mentality.
The question is: Would we all be better off if we lived in a political environment that is in line with how we see our neighbors?
The Republican Party has successfully isolated the South for cheap political gain. Slave state legislatures have done everything in their power to marginalize Democrats/minorities so as to prevent them for holding office or even voting. As for the number of virulent bigots holding office, the South is home to that majority. So if your a normal person residing in a slave state life must be a struggle living next to those who would embrace segregation or worse slavery and lynchings.
Living in the North with friends and relatives who cringe at the thought of a half white president can be frustrating at times, but in the South, seeing a half white President as illegitimate is the norm. So go ahead and flame me and get this post removed, but the numbers don't lie.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)is to bash those of us fighting it in our neighborhoods, on our streets, at our polling places?
Really?
And you think that's productive?
Wow!
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)Deconstruct everything in it and make a reply that isn't reactionary.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)should start with you.
Thank you.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)We're bashing your shithead neighbors.
Which you should be doing too.
Response to scheming daemons (Reply #175)
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scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)Southern Culture is largely bigoted and ignorant.
There are exceptions to everything... but the majority of southern whites hold reprehensible views.
The minority, like yourself, are fighting the good fight and should be congratulated.
But it does NOT change the fact that most of your neighbors suck.
cordelia
(2,174 posts)Wearing your own bigotry like a crown, aren't you?
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)I live among them 3 months a year.
Frankly, I am surprised you haven't noticed that most of your neighbors are racist christofacist fucks.
You're either oblivious or you live in an enlightened enclave like Austin, Texas.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)the ONE place I should be able to come and replenish for the NEXT day's fight is nothing more than thread after thread after thread telling me I am not worthy of calling myself a liberal.
Good job.
Great way to encourage the fight.
VERY productive.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)We're saying there aren't enough of you in the south and there are way too many around you thar aren't like you.
Again .. come down off your cross.
We're bashing your neighbors who make up the majority around you.... as you should be too.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)if you heard my southern accent agreeing with you, wouldn't it make you cringe? There is quite a bit of that going around DU, ya know. I appreciate the people who acknowledge that southern liberals are outnumbered and surrounded and trying our best down here. I can certainly appreciate that.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)They simply can't understand that we're talking about the MAJORITY of Southerners, not ALL of them.
Not every German in 1939 was a Nazi.
Not every white person in South Africa was a racist.
Not every Southerner is a christofacist right wing nut job... but the MAJORITY are.
Saying there is a problem with the predominant southern culture is NOT saying all Southerners are bad.
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)Change just ONE of your south bashing threads to GAY bashing.
I double dog dare you.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)the South is among the 29 States that still allows legal, open discrimination against GLBT people in housing and employment and rendering of services. The arrogant and ironic privilege that screams from this homophobic post of belongs to you, not to Georgia nor to Jimmy, not even to Tyler Perry. This is all yours.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)I bash 1930s Germany.
I bash South Africa prior to the 1990s.
And I bash current and past Southern American culture.
South is a region, not a human characteristic.
Equating "gay" with "south" is the same as equating "South Africa" with "tall". It is meaningless and with every post you exhibit a lower and lower ability to think logically.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Not all of southern culture is bad. Yes, there are parts I would like to see gone, but there are other parts, mainly the food, enjoying the outdoors, and other innocuous stuff like that, that I refuse to see as bad.
If you are complaining about the Republicans and teabaggers in the south, I could not agree more. Racism, homophobia, misogyny and other types of hatred are bad too. I think all of those are bad anywhere. One of those has been REALLY bad for me as a lesbian living in a rural area in the Bible Belt. Got raped not long after I came out, BECAUSE they wanted to "straighten that gal out."
But, the entire southern culture is not bad. We agree that those of us who are liberal and living in the south are surrounded by assholes. That is not the problem. The problem is assuming all of southern culture is bad.
Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)I find it amazing that anyone even took this pile of "in your face" bullshit seriously enough to earnestly respond.
Cheers!
Glitterati
(3,182 posts)too bad, so sad.
Perhaps you can start to understand the discomfort you bring to DU every day with this bullshit.
Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)reaction to your scribblings. The only thing that yet holds my interest here is to resolve for myself whether you are profoundly stupid or simply a clumsy provocateur.
Cheers!
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)possibly a concern troll.
cyclezealot
(4,802 posts)There are many southern progressive's that deserve praise. In fact you forgot some of the best.
Former Fla Rep. Sam Gibbons, Claude Pepper ( had he remained a Senator , he'd be in the progressive heavens along with Teddy Kennedy.) once NC governor Luther H Hodges and Terry Sanford. Bev Perdue, North Carolina's last governor wasn't half bad either. Virginia governor Doug Wilder should have made Virginians' proud. Virginia even had one half decent , semi progressive GOP governor of which they should be proud. Back when the Republicans had a few non-crazies. Former Va Gov. Linwood Holton. Texas had senator Ralph Yarborough..But, where are all these fine folks now.
Some state's seem more backwards than others.... Has Alabama, South Carolina, or Mississippi ever elected anyone who isn't revolting. ?
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)cyclezealot
(4,802 posts)How dare I forget her name. What Karl Rove did to her is disgusting. Without all the dirt, she'd won another term.
Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)See also: Gore in Tennessee in 2000
cyclezealot
(4,802 posts)But, in part dubya won with the help of Rove's sleazy , disinformation campaign.
Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)/
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Because there are damn few liberal white Southerners. Virtually none in elected office.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Only bashing white liberal southerners makes it so much better. White liberal southerners on DU should be thankful you are only bashing us. What kind of shitty thing is that to do to someone who shares the same political goals as you? Why bash us?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)liberals is that there are far too few of them.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)I agree. That is much better. I wish there were more of us too.
otohara
(24,135 posts)60/40 - pitiful turnout
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)I only bash Quislings, North, South, East or West.
coldmountain
(802 posts)Just southern whites that vote Republican or stay at home
I do think many of our southern Dems are apologists for their fellow southerns even acting like "human shields" at times.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)It's a racist cesspool. Get over it.
cordelia
(2,174 posts)woolldog
(8,791 posts)cordelia
(2,174 posts)Iggo
(47,558 posts) steve2470
(37,457 posts)Thank you, Judge Skinner, once again
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Yes, he did join the KKK
-- Byrd explained that he was a KKK member because he "was sorely afflicted with tunnel vision—a jejune and immature outlook—seeing only what I wanted to see because I thought the Klan could provide an outlet for my talents and ambitions." Byrd also said, in 2005, "I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."
And, he filibustered the Civil Rights Act.
Late in his life, Byrd explicitly renounced his earlier views favoring racial segregation. Byrd said that he regretted filibustering and voting against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and would change it if he had the opportunity. He said joining the KKK was "the greatest mistake I ever made."Byrd also said that his views changed dramatically after his teenage grandson was killed in a 1982 traffic accident, which put him in a deep emotional valley. "The death of my grandson caused me to stop and think," said Byrd, adding he came to realize that black people love their children as much as he does his.
On May 19, 2008, Byrd endorsed Barack Obama (D-Illinois). One week after the West Virginia Democratic Primary, in which Hillary Clinton defeated Obama by 41 to 32 percent.
>>> I have no illusions about Byrd. He had plenty of faults. But, he was one of the staunchest opponents of the Iraq war. And, was always a supporter of economic policies that benefit the middle class and poor people.
Sarah Ragle Weddington
(born February 5, 1945) in Abilene TX, is an American attorney, law professor, and former Texas state legislator best known for representing "Jane Roe" (real name Norma McCorvey) in the landmark Roe v. Wade case before the United States Supreme Court.
We forget the the Roe vs. Wade case originated in Tx.
Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)and became much more advanced than the bulk of our state's voters.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)I have been reading his book Letter To A New President which was published shortly before the 2008 election. He was such a smart man!
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)ridiculed for pointing out the excessive greed in our country 40 yrs ago, to pointing out the nouveau racism in our country shortly after president Obama was elected .
murielm99
(30,745 posts)I started paying attention to him when I was a senior in high school.
He won a Supreme Court case when the Georgia legislature would not seat him over his opposition to the Vietnam War. The Court said he has been denied his freedom of speech.
He served as the first president of the Southern Poverty Law Center. He has done many other great things.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)
Cha
(297,307 posts)Glitterati
Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)worked for FDR and Truman, only sitting member of Congress to march with MLK at Selma
and still active and kicking at 99!
Cha
(297,307 posts)Libs, Adenoid. And, we could list any other State's Libs our hearts desired.
Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)Sure, there are a few good people here and there, but the overall attitudes make the place a backwards cesspool, where stupidity is celebrated in the name of "values" and "heritage."
Bash away. It deserves everything you throw at it.
Conium
(119 posts)Prejudging is the essence of prejudice.
