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Question was the folks who built the ACA web site a private business? (Original Post) gopiscrap Oct 2013 OP
I hadn't thought to ask that, but I'll bet dollars to donuts it was. Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #1
Yup that was why I was asking it gopiscrap Oct 2013 #4
That's what I was thinking, too. Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2013 #26
I believe it was subcontracted out to a private firm, iirc. pinto Oct 2013 #2
Does anyone know who the firm is gopiscrap Oct 2013 #7
They were actually a Canadian company! CGI, I believe. Atman Oct 2013 #16
Well, Jeez, no wonder! Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #17
Can't confirm the Canadian claim. Atman Oct 2013 #19
It's been confirmed elsewhere. Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #21
HAHA NoOneMan Oct 2013 #29
Yea - I'm wondering if the insurance cos. cilla4progress Oct 2013 #3
I was wondering that also! gopiscrap Oct 2013 #5
CGI appleannie1 Oct 2013 #6
Meet CGI Federal, the company behind the botched launch of HealthCare.gov appleannie1 Oct 2013 #8
Yikes... cilla4progress Oct 2013 #9
Hey! Canada has brought the world the Blackberry, overpriced yoga pants and Poutine NoOneMan Oct 2013 #30
poutine... cilla4progress Oct 2013 #32
When government contracts out for things, like those who administer Medicare, government Hoyt Oct 2013 #10
Yeah some one said the fucking repukes gopiscrap Oct 2013 #11
I dont doubt that. Should make that known, how Republican obstructionism screwed Hoyt Oct 2013 #13
yup, I agree gopiscrap Oct 2013 #15
Yes, them folks am a private business jberryhill Oct 2013 #12
Funny, I posted an article last Monday about this very subject legcramp Oct 2013 #14
Oh, crap. What was the logic for the hide? Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #18
The truth was offensive. Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #24
Wouldn't want to find ourselves BOGged down in unseemly reality, Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #27
Well, if you come from an IT background Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #28
I commented on one such thread, also. Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #22
Umm Ya, that's excatly the article I posted legcramp Oct 2013 #23
Politics as a team sport... Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #25
I read that article last week too. Some interesting and familiar names there. appleannie1 Oct 2013 #31
CMS contracted it. Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #20

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
4. Yup that was why I was asking it
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 01:08 PM
Oct 2013

it further supports my belief that the government should never privatize anything!!!

Atman

(31,464 posts)
16. They were actually a Canadian company! CGI, I believe.
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 01:43 PM
Oct 2013

Not 100%, but I believe this is the info I heard a couple days ago.

(Edit to correct: I had listed AGI, a different software company saying they specialize in "space, defense and intelligence" software.)

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
17. Well, Jeez, no wonder!
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 01:53 PM
Oct 2013

WTF do Canadians know about setting up a cobbled-together patchwork assemblage of health insurance plans devised largely to satisfy the needs of parasitic insurance companies?

Atman

(31,464 posts)
19. Can't confirm the Canadian claim.
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 01:58 PM
Oct 2013

I swear I heard them talking about it on Morning Joke, but the article about CGI doesn't say anything about them being Canadian.

 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
29. HAHA
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 02:57 PM
Oct 2013

I never thought of it like that. They were probably rolling and laughing at the shitpile system as they slopped the code together

appleannie1

(5,067 posts)
6. CGI
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 01:09 PM
Oct 2013

The contract to build Healthcare.gov, issued to the CGI Federal unit of Montreal-based CGI Group, has come under scrutiny after the site

 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
30. Hey! Canada has brought the world the Blackberry, overpriced yoga pants and Poutine
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 02:59 PM
Oct 2013

Now, yes, they haven't been trendsetting enough to engineer the Baconburger

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
10. When government contracts out for things, like those who administer Medicare, government
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 01:20 PM
Oct 2013

needs to monitor and test performance. That did not happen here. Fortunately, government stays on the private insurers who handle Medicare.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
13. I dont doubt that. Should make that known, how Republican obstructionism screwed
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 01:28 PM
Oct 2013

people.

Error message - Due to Republicans, This Will Take Awhile.

 

legcramp

(288 posts)
14. Funny, I posted an article last Monday about this very subject
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 01:41 PM
Oct 2013

and a jury voted to hide it because.....

A Jury voted 4-2 to hide this post on Mon Oct 14, 2013, 10:00 PM. Reason: This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. When the original post in a discussion thread is hidden by Jury decision, the entire discussion thread is automatically locked so new replies cannot be posted.


It was an article from Infoworld, not some RW site but an IT site.

http://www.infoworld.com/t/e-government/how-federal-cronies-built-and-botched-healthcaregov-228724

It's EFF'ed up folks and the sooner it's addressed the better.


Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
18. Oh, crap. What was the logic for the hide?
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 01:56 PM
Oct 2013

When Democrats start hiding "inconvenient truths" from each other for political reasons, we're in some really deep shit.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
24. The truth was offensive.
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 02:08 PM
Oct 2013

I agree with your sentiment.

If you can't admit what's wrong, how will it ever be fixed? And this MUST be fixed.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
27. Wouldn't want to find ourselves BOGged down in unseemly reality,
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 02:20 PM
Oct 2013

now would we?

Or am I being entirely unfair?

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
28. Well, if you come from an IT background
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 02:48 PM
Oct 2013

of course you are going to have this particular reaction. Even emotionally! The first thing you learn in IT is that the defensive crouch is the road to failure, and if you don't learn that, you can be brilliant but a consistent failure in practice.

Haven't we all worked on projects with great commitment? And the measure of our commitment was our willingness to identify problems and resolve them to make them work. So naturally, we extend from that to ACA must work, therefore find and fix problems ASAP, which requires rigorous honesty about the problems. If you didn't want a project to fly, you wouldn't do that.

But to people who don't have that background, perhaps pointing out that these are not "glitches" and "bugs" but a very serious problem looks like criticism designed to destroy.

I'm not completely sure, because I have done this work since my late teens, so the IT mindset is pretty deeply embedded. But I suspect that is the reason for the differing reactions.

Also, in fairness to the non-IT crowd, you have non-IT people from the government talking about the situation telling them that these are "glitches" that will soon be fixed, so what are they to think?

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
22. I commented on one such thread, also.
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 02:03 PM
Oct 2013

From the article:

The biggest problem with Healthcare.gov seems simple enough: It was built by people who are apparently far more familiar with government cronyism than they are with IT.

One other name in particular on the contractor list probably won't be familiar to readers, but ought to be from now on: Science Applications International Corp., or SAIC. Nominally a defense contractor, SAIC has been involved with many government projects with ghastly end results, such as New York City's fraud- and corruption-riddled $600 million CityTime payroll software boondoggle. When the East Bay Express reported on Oakand (sic), Calif.'s surveillance plan, it was worried about SAIC's involvement in that project as well, not least because the people hiring SAIC for the job seemed unaware of the company's reputation

 

legcramp

(288 posts)
23. Umm Ya, that's excatly the article I posted
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 02:08 PM
Oct 2013

I guess it's rude and insensitive to point out the truth of the matter if it might be embarrassing to someone.

appleannie1

(5,067 posts)
31. I read that article last week too. Some interesting and familiar names there.
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 03:07 PM
Oct 2013

Northrop had contracts in Iraq if I recall correctly. The old crony system is still alive and well.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
20. CMS contracted it.
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 02:01 PM
Oct 2013

So they were responsible for "building it". CMS is part of the government. The specifications came from multiple sources, all government.

CMS contracted out pieces of the job to various private organizations who do this type of stuff. That's pretty normal for government operations. Because CMS was the contractor, CMS was responsible for choosing most of the right stuff, providing information on what had to be done, and making sure that all the pieces fit together at the end. In larger jobs like this, often the government hires a company to be the contractor, but in this case that didn't happen.

I know by now many of us are wishing they had just called Amazon, but hey.

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