The Crazy Left
Just want to check in as a Proud Member.
From time to time we have to do this as the Moral Equivalency meme makes its way to DU. You know the one, it takes various forms of this:
The 'Crazy Left' it appears are those who support the prosecution of Criminals, no matter how wealthy or connected they are.
It's a Crazy Left radical idea, apparently, to want the Law applied equally to all Americans.
If you have any 'Crazy Left' ideas such as 'Prosecute War Criminals' or an even crazier idea than that, eg: 'Prosecute Wall St. Criminals',feel free to post them here.
It's easy to forget what we stand for as Democrats these days, what with all the 'pragmatism' around.
So, I would love some reminders of our Principles so we don't forget what the goals are.
One of my favorite Crazy Left ideas is:
Hands Off Social Security!
One of my favorite Democratic Presidents is this guy:
Which also ensures my place on the 'crazy left' list I have been told.
And I am more than proud to be there.
Moral Equivalency = Not-so-subtle attack on Democrats.
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But NOT this: >>>>>>>>>>>>
Crazy left is the new term. Please do try to keep up.
What about fringe left, also pre-shutdown I guess.
The real Left is in that blank area where the sign is hanging. Many people think that the real center is what is labeled Center Right and sometimes even Solid Right, even here on DU.
I gotta fix that.
We will know for absolutely sure, if there is another shutdown. There will be no excuses to correct the errors that led to the last one. There is plenty of time to do that... If they really wanted to.
Done fixed it.
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What you call "Center Right" is SOCIALISM!
Public schools, public transportation, public highways--all socialism. 
What is now called the Center Right, used to be the Far Right. That has never been Socialism. Your examples used to be Main Stream.
Maybe this will help you to see the lay of the land.
Glad to meet more fellow far left and proud of it folks
turn pro? We've been conceding a lot of ground to the Third Way having been told that we must 'compromise' in order to 'get things done'. Well now we see that when we DON'T compromise, we win.
So, I'm looking forward to seeing, eg, the Chained CPI removed from the President's budget since there is simply no more reason for such compromises.
I'm ready to turn Pro and start getting things done! 
with ideas they would have rejected outright if they were coming from the Right, which in effect they were.
We were all caught up in protecting our 'team' and even though people felt uncomfortable with some of the policies, the went along. That has to stop.
They are clever, those Corporate Puppet Masters. Buying one Party wasn't enough and they realized it. So they infiltrated our Party. Now we have to reverse that, now that we know.
I believe climate change should be our number one priority as a nation. 
New building requirements, loans for new energy saving technologies for homeowners, legislation on water use/emissions/transportation, urban greening. No planet, no us.
I completely support them, all of them! 
Super great for the environment! 
First, the people on SS OWN that money. It should go to them.
Second, it would stimulate the economy without costing the Fed Budget anything.
Third, it would keep it out of the hands of the thieves who have been borrowing from it for wars and tax cuts for the wealthy which might put a serious dent in their plans for even more wars.
Thanks for yet another example of crazy left ideas.
me as well.
of what it means to be a Democrat, love your posts on Education. Great to see you and thanks for posting in my thread.
Another crazy idea you reminded me of, hands off the Public School Funding or Private Profiteers.
Sid
Blue is my favorite color!
Lol!
(And that means no storing of my data for possible future use either, collecting is still spying whether you look at it now or later.)
Free college for everyone.
Raise the SS caps.
Taxes back to the rates under Clinton.
Corporations, especially those that make $25bn/yr in profits, should pay their fair share of taxes.
Corporations should pay extra taxes if the military is used for their gain.
No corporate use of public lands for profit.
Caps on how much CEOs make as compared to their workers. (no hiding it in bonuses either)
A living wage.
Tariffs on imported goods so that it won't benefit companies to offshore/outsource our jobs out of the country.
Re-regulate Wall Street and the banksters. (reinstate Glass-Steagall for starters)
25 cents tax per transaction for stock trading.
Same tax rates for income made by labor or by investments/capital gains.
Phew. I'm tired.
But not too tired to add a few more. 
Missed a few though
No incorperations of persons for tax exempt status (avoiding the "death tax" .
Pre-Raygun tax rates
To name two.
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Link to my post "over in that other thread."
Brilliant observation. Quelle surprise.
No, you didn't see me there, because I didn't read the damn thing.
So what?
hurts to spell things out!
Gag me. 
This is your "point?"
Please proceed, your reasoning is absolutely stunning.
As for "content," faux news has plenty of it too.
The tactic is simplistic and dishonest regardless of who engages in it.
See ya
on the left, crazy.
Wanna try again?
eta: On second thought, this exchange is beyond asinine, but thanks for demonstrating my original point so nicely. Next up: why do you hate hungry children and old people!!11! 
doesn't do much for your case.
Keep bringing the straw.
That's what I suppose too. Or maybe that poster identify themselves with this character:
"never ends" 
Sid
I feel towards those who dare to try to impose their lack of compassion, their selfish 'I've got mine and I'm going to work hard to stop you from getting yours' mentality on this country. As if we don't have our own fair share of morons right here who are doing everything they can to deny life-saving HC to sick and dying Americans.
I won't say any more as I do not trust myself.
You are correct, they are not here to discuss anything, I don't know why they are here to be honest, but they suck oxygen from a forum that could be of some value to the National Dialogue. That is for sure.
Anyone who would deny life-saving care to sick and dying people is scum in my view.
Thanks for your comments, Rhett it is people like you who do have compassion, something that requires strength of character, who give me hope.
Posted in wrong place before, but it bears repeating!
Funny thing is, I have never changed. The labels that people put on me are all over the damn map though! I wonder what we will be next week
nothing to worry about'???
Since I just posted this in another thread, I'll use the post below as an example of my wild and crazy leftist fringe ideas:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3884761
but come on ... either end of the political/social-whatever scale is just the fundamental core of which ever ideology at its most extreme. On the right, it is conservatives and when it becomes extreme it mutates into the fascists we have now calling them selves the tea bag party. On the left its liberals and when it becomes extreme its just chaos. Which is why most *ahem* crazy left movements don't last long.
But there have been in our past groups that one would consider the far left, crazy lefty. The anti war movement in the 1960's, the war movement was good but it morphed into groups that bombed places. Then early in the 1900's 1919-1920's there was Eugene Debs and all the union movements red scare stuff. The unions was a good thing but the fight was ugly.
My point is yes there has been a crazy left but because of what the nature of the left is the crazy left will never be as dangerous as the crazy right. Extreme conservatism doesn't mutate well.
But do I know I am a part of the crazy left
Love the new home, thank you!
But I love them!
Raise the cap on SS contributions, raise taxes on the wealthy and on corporations, pare down the bloated military budget, rebuild infrastructure, add high speed rail and solar and other green initiatives so we can get people back to work and get our industrial base humming again.
New buildings should be required to have solar panels and to meet stringent energy efficiency requirements.
Discourage cars and airplanes for long distance travel; build high speed rail to take up the slack. Mandate hybrids and electric cars, buses and trucks make up an increasingly higher percentage of the fleet.
Invest in research into ways of ameliorating the effects of greenhouse gases on our climate.
Encourage conservation and green living. Encourage local, self-sufficient economies, with policies that discourage energy-inefficient methods such as shipping food from overseas. Obviously this will take time, and also not everything can be done locally; just make sensible inroads in this direction as we must lower our carbon footprint.
Encourage working from home rather than commuting; if not every day, then a few days a week.
Lower standard working hours from 40 hrs/wk to 30 hrs/wk.
With the extra $$ flowing into SS from raising the cap, lower the retirement age and if possible increase benefits.
Guarantee a minimum base income to all Americans. This would be a far more efficient and less costly way to get rid of homelessness with all the societal and individual misery that it generates.
Single payer healthcare, i.e. Medicare for all (HR676).
Well, that's a start.
How can we identify them if we don't know the difference between them? Words have meaning, in the Real World!
Seriously, Sabrina, you've almost descended into a self-parody. Or maybe you did a long time ago.
A much appreciated compliment. Thank you!
Thanks for the huge endorsement, coming from you it means more than I can say!
which btw, roll off people like me who've been subjected to them as a Democrat for years, and simply smile when we see the same old stuff surface over and over again. I wish there was some creativity involved by now, at least something that made sense, even original. But so be it.
But back to the Real World. Still not a word about Issues or anything that is worthy of discussion though. Just railing and whining that Democrats STILL support Democratic Principles no matter what efforts are made to push Third Way/Reagan Republicanism on this Party.
Get back to us when you are willing to explain exactly where you stand on the Democratic Party Platform.
Some excellent comments in this thread explaining Democratic policies, in case you need them.
Btw, did anyone ever tell you that we Liberals are among the toughest fighters in Politics and have never been known to back down to name-calling and personal attacks?
I believe it was FDR, but someone could correct me if I'm wrong, who said 'I relish their hatred' when speaking of those who opposed his Democratic Policies. It would save you a lot of time to get past the personal attack mode and focus on what everyone else is interested in for a change.
But that's entirely your choice, it certainly doesn't effect me one way or the other other. Thanks for your 'thoughts', AGAIN!
These 'vague' accusations with zero substance and as have many noted, NEVER any response when asked about ISSUES. It's all personal attacks, no discussion of issues.
I have my own theory on the reason for the refusal to discuss issues.
Put it this way, if I were not really who I claim to be I would avoid like the plague, any discussion that might reveal that.
We all have ways of determining whose views are worth while listening to. I determine that by the number of times someone uses the pronoun 'you'. 'All YOU do is whine about ...... whatever. YOU never support this party ..... whatever. 'YOU are a Republican fan girl' lol, yes, I have been accused of that.
I am far more interested in reading posts that address issues, rather than people. But if you have no principles you simply cannot address issues so it's best to try to avoid them.
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I'm glad to be here. I'm so crazy, I put a Repeal the Patriot Act bumper sticker on my car. Regrettably my Re-elect Obama sticker came after the Election was over.
That's the change we believed in.
That's not what we got. 
so I must be even crazier than I though I was.
I'll check that box!
... LOONY LEFT 
!!! Alliterate , people, alliterate!
That's my fav.
Someone must have trotted out Spandan again. Yawn.
The people here that refer to themselves as centrists seem more like moderate Republicans to me.
We rock!!!
And I proudly support:
It CAN BE DONE.
I am SICK SICK SICK of hearing "there's no political will" from the Third Way types.
Is preferable to the third-way nonsense we've been subjected to. At least he understood why we need social security and labor laws -
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
President Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1952
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_eisenhower_quote.htm
a "bleeding heart liberal" for all of my adult life (too long to say) I'm glad I'm not the last of said group, as I have often thought.
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And I think that is what scared the Corporatists. Because if we ever decide NOT to just play along anymore with the status quo, and got organized and used our money and time to get the kind of people WE respect, elected, we would present a huge threat to the crooked corporate people who have taken over this country.
And the good news is that this may be happening. That the Left IS organizing, sick to death of the insults and mostly dismissive attitude from the DLC leadership of this Party. Large Liberal Orgs began organizing before the last election stating plainly that they have had enough and while they would elect Dems that time, because the other side is so insane, this will not continue. Accepting candidates chosen by Wall St?? No, not any more.
You are not alone by any means.
