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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA note about "Cali."
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The state on the U.S. Pacific Coast is called California. It's not "Cali." People who actually live in California never call the state "Cali." People in the Midwest call it "Cali." Teenage girls in Iowa, dreaming of Hollywood, call it "Cali."
Sometimes, people who moved to California recently from places elsewhere in the US call it "Cali," but they are generally quickly corrected about the usage.
People in other states also refer to San Francisco as "Frisco," too. That's also very annoying to people who make their home in San Francisco.
So, if you're going to California, you're welcome to come with flowers in your hair, but please don't call the state "Cali." Nobody calls California "Cali" without making it abundantly clear that they aren't from California. Thanks!
{/rant}
N.B. I was born in "Zona" but moved to California at the age of 3 months. I lived in California for 56 years, with a short time spent in other states. Now I live in "Minnie."
FirstLight
(13,360 posts)like when you need to shorten the title of a thread...this is not the Associated Press, and you are not the editor
but thanks for the distinction. whatev.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)So, I sometimes comment on things that interest me. Thanks for reading my post and for kicking it back up in the thread list. Much appreciated.
If I need to abbreviate California, I use CA, the postal abbreviation. In years past, the postal abbreviation was Calif. It's never been "Cali."
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Frisco is?
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)cynzke
(1,254 posts)Boy, I hate when people pronounce it with that hard "C" syllable. It should be Wi scone sin. The s and c are pronounced together, sort of like that Scandinavian toast....skol.....scon!
broiles
(1,367 posts)Ace Acme
(1,464 posts)Frisco is in 'Rado in the Rockies on I-70. Seen it with my own eyes, I did.
NBachers
(17,120 posts)Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)I would be in wonderful shape. You were very rude to the poster who did this in another thread. I thought it was a bit over the top. Life is too short to get bent out of shape for something so unimportant.
pepperbear
(5,648 posts)Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)The dock is the area of water between two piers. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
broiles
(1,367 posts)Drives me crazy.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Annoying, isn't it.
Link Speed
(650 posts)And to think I now reside in the SF Bay Area of Cali. It cracks me up to hear the tourists refer to 'SF' or 'Cali'.
Link Speed
(650 posts)at least half the people I knew called it San Antone. Everyone I knew was a Native Texan and I was not aware of anyone who had been to San Antonio. Until I was 13, I had only been as far west as Tyler, once. Heck, Beaumont was exotica to us.
Chipper Chat
(9,680 posts)"Houston, Austin, or San Antone. Gotta go. Got the Texas in my soul"
Bob Wills? Webb Pierce? Ernest Tubb?
broiles
(1,367 posts)SDjack
(1,448 posts)broiles
(1,367 posts)SQUEE
(1,315 posts)He's still the King.
broiles
(1,367 posts)Tikki
(14,557 posts)Tikki
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)It isn't NoCal or SoCal, and definitely not Southern Cal. (which is the name of a private school attended by mostly smart kids who are turned into arrogant asses by alumni)
For the next week you should be forced to use your entire address. For example, posts should be ended with Ms. Tikki DUer, Pasadena, Los Angeles County, California, United States of America.
No sarcasm, because I mean the part about USC!
Tikki
(14,557 posts)ok, Mrs. Tikki of Ventura County and the great debate of whether Ventura County is actually in the
Central Coast region of California OR Southern California but is in California, fer shur and very much part
of the United States of America.
Tikki
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)I was always under the impression that Santa Barbara was still SANTA BARBARA COUNTY, SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.
Come to think of it where does Central Coast/California end?
San Jose is definitely NoCal, I'm sorry SAN JOSE, SANTA CLARA COUNTY, CALIFORNIA.
Tikki
(14,557 posts)Others say just North of Ventura up to just South of San Jose.
Here is what many consider California's GOLD COAST:
http://www.californiagoldcoastguide.com
I've always considered Malibu more of my neighbors than Reseda..
but as the crow flies they are about the same distance.
Tikki
petronius
(26,602 posts)Looking at the coastline, I'd say Central Coast should be Point Pinos down to Point Conception. (Although Point Arguello would be equally arguable, I want to claim Jalama... )
Hekate
(90,714 posts)aka San Luis Obispo County, Santa Barbara County, and Ventura County
I don't know why there should be any difficulty identifying Ventura as part of the Central Coast. I know I am within hailing distance of HOME when I head down the Conejo Grade because when I get to the bottom I can roll down the windows of my car and breathe the air. Suddenly there is a faint sea-tang and a little coastal fog that feels so cooling to the skin. Long before I get to Summerland, the coastal curve of mountains in the distance embraces my soul.
Hekate
Goleta, CA
PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)from Pasadena!
Tikki
(14,557 posts)around a bit and pick out the homes we wished we could live in.
The NUMB3RS House..
Tikki
PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)I love all the Craftsman style houses, especially in SW Pasadena, over by S. Arroyo Blvd. I'm an apt. dweller myself
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)...know you consider him to have become an arrogant ass. You are right about him being smart, however.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)which is in Northern California, is officially called Cal. By calling USC Southern Cal, it sounds like it's a part of Cal Berkeley, only in the south, and it's not. The football fans and alum are especially sensitive to that, though it shouldn't really matter because Cal Berkeley is such a good school
Purrfessor
(1,188 posts)NorCal, or Nor-Cal. I believe there is even a Nor-Cal Soccer League.
Ace Acme
(1,464 posts)I miss it. I miss the sense of hope and possibility I had when I lived there.
I even miss the drunken college kids puking their guts out on So Ill Ave in Carbondale.
IDemo
(16,926 posts)I tease; I lived in the Anaheim area up until about the age of 10, but that was over 40 years ago. That may actually fit within the boundaries; don't recall it being called that back then, though.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)Who knows, maybe he started it
Iggo
(47,558 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)It was the first thing I thought of when reading the thread.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Well, then.
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)Actually I was born in San Francisco, California and have never used "Frisco" or "Cali" in my life. When that song come out--many moons ago, I wasn't sure what he was talking about...
Interesting thread.
MurrayDelph
(5,299 posts)and have used that particular F word once: I was attending a Westercon in San Francisco, and the guy next to me in the restaurant asked,
"What's going on? Some kinda SCI-FI convention?"
So I felt compelled to match his tone and answer "Yeah, we're holding it in FRISCO this year."
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Lives there.
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)I don't know anybody who calls California "Cali"--I was born there, and still have relatives there, but never lived there, not really
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)the culture and it is always complimentary. I'll hip the to the right way later, but I no longer get the vapors about it. I do blame Cool James for the whole thing.
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)Puglover
(16,380 posts)Meh.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Kerman, to be exact, calls it Cali.
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)And she spells her screen name "cali."
Cirque du So-What
(25,941 posts)I had quite forgotten
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)seveneyes
(4,631 posts)On the southern fringe of the Northeast Kingdom of Vermont. When I lived there we would often say we were headed south to Cali to hit the big city of Saint Jo.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)(no idea where that came from, but it seems to be in use around here!).
Born in Little Rhody (that makes some sense)....but always remember meeting people who said "you are from Rhode Island - isn't that a city in Massachusetts?
bunnies
(15,859 posts)just mho, of course.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I'd forgotten about Cali, Colombia. I can imagine someone from Kansas calling to book a flight to Cali, and then getting off the plane and being somewhat confused.
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)so don't bet on it..... (JOKE, OKAY, JOKE)
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I'd be OK in Cali, I think.
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)Bienvenidos a California
Brother Buzz
(36,444 posts)Lewis' mishap began March 31 when he flew home from a European vacation. He took an Air New Zealand London-to-Auckland flight and should have gotten off in Los Angeles and taken another plane to Oakland.
Instead, convinced that the Air New Zealand crew was directing Oakland-bound passengers into a transit area, Lewis headed off with the Auckland-bound passengers and later reboarded with them. Questioned by airplane personnel before the plane took off, he was asked twice if he was going to Auckland and twice answered affirmatively, according to an Air New Zealand spokesman.
'They Talk Different'
http://articles.latimes.com/1985-04-11/local/me-11793_1_auckland
Sacramento dude flies to Auckland and lowers the IQ of both cities (JOKE, OLD OKAY JOKE, OKAY )
On edit: Oops, unblock beat me
Zorro
(15,740 posts)and they returned the plane back to the gate, because apparently someone onboard the plane was actually booked to Auckland.
True story.
unblock
(52,253 posts)new zealand (aukland)!
all the hallmarks of an urban myth, so it must be true
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I'd love to visit that part of the world. Can't afford it, though.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)Iggo
(47,558 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Moved out and never looked back. We called ourselves Okies, sang Oklahoma, and Oklahoma City was "The City," as in, "Goin to the city for brewsky." It was a strange place, even back then.
My step dad, a truck driver, called San Francisco "Frisco," Las Vegas, Lost Wages or Vegas, Chicago "Chi Town."
IDemo
(16,926 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)As much as I agree with you: it grates on my sensibilities a little, like "Frisco", a growing number of young natives seem to be using "Cali" to self-identify.
Given my age, I'm willing to let go a little and let the younger residents have their way with it.
That, and it's just too late.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)But I would never try to give the impression that I was from Frisco or even Cali.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)and I use CALI (but always in caps) all the time on the computer, but never when speaking.
And "Frisco" rankles me as do most lame names for THE CITY........ or San Francisco...... (SF is passable) like "the gay bay", Frisco, San Fran (the announcer at the Niners game kept using it last week and I wanted to punch him in the mouth), and worst of all "Oakland West"......
TDale313
(7,820 posts)It's always been San Francisco or The City to me. Never Frisco. Surest sign of someone not from the area. Not a fan of calling California Cali either. I have made the distinction of SoCal and NorCal, but usually online, not verbally.
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)more than Cali surely and more in speech as well....
petronius
(26,602 posts)are really barely outside of MidCal. There's a whole lot of Cali north of what NorCal folks call NorCal...
(MidCal is my invention by the way - if it takes off, I want credit! )
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)My home town. But being so provincial, NORCAL Starts at the Tehachapi's.
petronius
(26,602 posts)So you'd incorporate an east-west dimension in defining MidCal (as in, valley rather than coast)? Makes sense: I'd call my region CenCoCal, which wouldn't extend inland past the Coast Ranges...
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)Wow, you're claiming quite a swath of territory for NorCal" Well we don't really like to call people in Bakersfield NorCalians (Norcalites?)
Claim them we do, but we don't like it much.
NOCOCAL is Fort Bragg to the border.
BANOCAL is the area from Fort Bragg to Half Moon bay.
NOMID CAL redding and Shasta area.... MIDCAL Yuba City to Stockton, foothills to foothills. (UGH!)
yuiyoshida
(41,832 posts)i agree!
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)Lighten up.
It's not the end of the world...LOL.
johnp3907
(3,732 posts)postulater
(5,075 posts)You can always tell an incomer by how they talk at the bubbler.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Most folks, though, don't even know there's a bay at all. Odd.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)NBachers
(17,120 posts)but people from other parts of the country, when you say you're from New York State, think the entire state looks like Manhattan.
Mosby
(16,319 posts)Last edited Sat Oct 19, 2013, 04:28 PM - Edit history (1)
I hear californians using those terms all the time, can't you just say "I'm from orange county". But I guess they think it sounds cool.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Although, most Lowpers don't call themselves that.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)That's because we live "under" the bridge.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)To settle the border dispute with Ohio over Toledo, we were given the UP and statehood in exchange for our concession.
UP vs Toledo...we got the better deal.
Wisconsin Territory got completely shafted, of course.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)At least it was 4th grade in Wisconsin.
My grandfather? Well he never gave it up.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)The Trolls live below the bridge, eh?
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)(with no eh, because I wasn't a Yooper)
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)We had a discussion about whether to use the word "Yoopers" in the website. I'm probably going to drive up there soon, so I'll stop in and get a couple of frozen pasties to take home with me. But I'll have a couple in Ironwood while I'm there. One traditional and one Finnish.
What I can't figure out is why this particular business opened a store in Ironwood. Truly, I don't understand the owner's business model very well, I guess. But, hey, it's work, so...
I finish the work tomorrow morning.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)On occasion I am hearing "Eh" being attached over here in Michigan. Not a ton but I am hearing it on occasion...probably all that intermingling from free trade.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)concerned with the inland or rural third Cali.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Throd
(7,208 posts)OregonBlue
(7,754 posts)as rubes. Cali and Frisco are big no noes.
For those not familiar with my state, it's pronounced Ore-gun. Like in gun. Not Ore-gone like in gone. Can always spot someone from the midwest because they all call it Ore-gone.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Oregon has three syllables.
Or-y-gun.
"Ore-gun" is only two.
OregonBlue
(7,754 posts)Shrike47
(6,913 posts)OregonBlue
(7,754 posts)GobBluth
(109 posts)OR-A-gone. Lol. Not sure if that is better. Well that's how I say it. Gonna ask my cousin if I drive her crazy with it.
MindPilot
(12,693 posts)Funny though, we frequently refer to the bottom part as "Socal, but hardly anyone calls the upper part "Norcal". It's generally "Northern California" or "Above (or below) San Francisco". San Francisco is "Sanfran", Sacramento is "Sacto" or simply "sac". All numbered highways are prefaced with "the" as in "I was stuck on the eight-oh-five".
Codeine
(25,586 posts)A person wouldn't say they were "stuck on four-oh-five", would they? That would really sound weird to my California ears.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)the motherfucking 405.
When, oh when, is the construction going to be finished so we can get back to the normal shitty congestion?
roamer65
(36,745 posts)I recollect that word MF being used a lot in my rental car.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)These days, I only drive it once or twice a year, when I fly out to visit my elderly parents. It doesn't matter how many lanes that add to that misbegotten excuse for a freeway. It's still jammed up most of the time. I schedule my flights to attempt to avoid rush hour, but on the 405, it's rush hour 24/7.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)But I hear it all the time in California. It really stood out at first, but now I barely notice it. It hasn't caught on for me though.
Nine
(1,741 posts)I'm in Ohio.
I had no idea.
doc03
(35,348 posts)rufus dog
(8,419 posts)THE Ohio State University! Reverence!
It is THE 405, because we hope if we bestow the proper reverence we won't be stuck on it for two hours to make a 60 mile trip.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)...and they are not very nice.
NuttyFluffers
(6,811 posts)i'd say, "shit, stuck on eight-eighty again."
oregonjen
(3,338 posts)I was stuck on 405, without adding "the." Traffic was heavy on 217, 405, I-5, etc. I sometimes hear "the" added and it sounds strange to my ears.
MindPilot
(12,693 posts)That seems odd to be when I go to other states and I hear "I was caught in a check point on I-95" or "the turnpike" or "the Interstate" (like there's only one)
pinto
(106,886 posts)It wasn't called "the 101" until later. Now it's ubiquitous. (I live on the Central Coast). Locality terminology is interesting.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)We always spoke of "the I-80" or "the 191" when we lived in Wyoming, but that could very well have been just because my parents were southern Californians. I wish I'd been old enough to pay attention to what terminology the locals used.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Most people who live here catch on to that pretty quickly. People in LA may take the 101 or the 5 to San Francisco but we take 101 or 5 to go to LA.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)But only if they are in too much of a hurry to take the Pacific Coast Highway.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)That's another tip I got from a local when I first moved here. For me, an East Coast transplant, it was hard enough learning to call number roads "highways" rather than routes
NBachers
(17,120 posts)to Bay Area highways. When I grew up in New York, it was always "Expressway;" "Freeway" seems to be a real California expression.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)petronius
(26,602 posts)My wife is from there, but her real peeve is when people say "Upstate New York" to refer to Western New York...
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)and how to get from the Squajacada to the Niagara, and if any of thes are the I-90, the I-190 or the I-290!
petronius
(26,602 posts)But I'll try and work those into a conversation...
BootinUp
(47,165 posts)I occasionally call it Cali, but thats because my wife and I used to sing this song verse when we were living elsewhere.
frogmarch
(12,154 posts)Calyforny. Never heard anyone around these parts call it Cali.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)and have never ever heard anyone refer to it as "Cali".
Also, I have worked in the entertainment industry for most of my life as well and have never heard television referred to as "the teevee machine".
And I have a lot of friends who are journalists and have never heard them refer to themselves as a "journo".
But what do I know?
Tikki
(14,557 posts)to switch channels. He definitely knows what a changer is.
Tikki
zappaman
(20,606 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)and the turn signal in a car is the ticker.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Go Vols
(5,902 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)1950s Zenith TV. It had a remote control connected to the TV with wires. It was great. You pushed the button and the channel changing dial went around, click, click, click. Oh, the technology we had!
Hekate
(90,714 posts)I try as hard as I can not to call it that, because we former Hawai'ians know the darn thing is da clicka.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Here in prudence Texas it is called the Land of Fornicators. I think that is harsh, but the people from Sugarland all go to Vegas (notice what I did there) so they have no room to talk.
Did you know the tides and the Moon allude Bill O Reilly?
whathehell
(29,067 posts)and I never once heard it called "Cali"....That being said, I think we might all lighten up
about infinitesimal issues like this. I don't, for instance, give a shit whether people "make it clear",
abundantly or otherwise, if they are or aren't from California, or any other place for that matter.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)or referring to to get it right.
I grew up near Dətroit not Deetroit. It was Lake Huron but Port Yorn. And NewARK, DE... not Newərk NJ.
I live in San Francisco. I do not live in Frisco. I live in the state of California. I do not live in Cali.
We are not babies here. We can actually take the extra tenths of seconds to pronounce the name as expected from those who live there.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)For instance, I could say "I'm from Philadelphia not 'Philly'" or "I now live in Chicago, not 'Chi-town'"
but I've never heard anyone from either of those cities complain on that score.
In our view, I believe, they're just nicknames, and may even express a bit of affection.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)I think they're a bit full of themselves, and I think many of their neighbors to the south do too.
After all, you don't hear them whining about their city being referred to as "L.A".
That being said, I don't say "Frisco", but I do often call it "San Fran".
Callmecrazy
(3,065 posts)We called it Vegas, And North Las Vegas is North Town and Henderson is Hooterville. But don't call Nevada Nevahda. They'll know you ain't from around here.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Nuhvadda is the way we all say it.
Mosby
(16,319 posts)Why change the pronunciation?
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Nobody native to Nevada ever calls it Nevahda. And this goes way back, my family members born in the 1880s didn't, either.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)who may actually know it's proper pronunciation?
Just sayin..
kiva
(4,373 posts)generally Hendertucky and North Town isn't familiar, but agree on Vegas and no Nevahda...unless you actually are from England, then it's OK
Callmecrazy
(3,065 posts)I started hearing hooterville back in the 90's and my friends and I always called it that. North Town was pretty common too.
Times change I guess. I never heard Hendertucky but that's funny.
kiva
(4,373 posts)so may have missed it, but yeah, Hendertucky does fit (with all love to my friends who live there).
Callmecrazy
(3,065 posts)lack of work forced me to move. I don't miss it much.
kiva
(4,373 posts)mostly for its quirks, but it does have some very dead suburbs.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)We don't need to get all offended about something that bothers YOU.
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)I am a Cali native ans sometimes refer to the state as Cali,.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)It's not "Warshington".
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)kentuck
(111,103 posts)That's all that is important.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)unblock
(52,253 posts)ass I am from.
unblock
(52,253 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Nah I don't think so.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Love the place, sometimes stinks...but I think those are the elderberries rotting in June.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Anyone truly from Denmark knows it's called "Da Mark".
Rex
(65,616 posts)but they are all into wearing their pants up around the armpits. Kids and fads.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)But with suspenders!
cui bono
(19,926 posts)I have cousins there. They are in the know. My mom's Danish but she's not that hip. When she was young they called it DannyDan.
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)And now I live in Merlund.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)MoCo for short
LostOne4Ever
(9,289 posts)Walk away
(9,494 posts)... "The real House Wives of NJ" or "The Jersey Shore".
Rex
(65,616 posts)Guess everyone knows best.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)and made my way up to Frisco a few times.
A few people here get upset if someone calls our city St. Lou or St. Louie. They're mostly considered snobs. Most of us don't give a fuck. I suspect the same is true about most places.
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)into thinking they are from Cali(fornia), why shouldn't one use the shorthand "Cali" provided that their listeners will understand exactly what geographic boundary they are referencing?
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)How about Californication?
Sometimes one likes to do what Marvin did.
"After what it had calculated to ten significant decimal places as being the precise length of pause most likely to convey a general contempt for all things mattressy, the robot continued to walk round in tight circles."
renie408
(9,854 posts)I am a little disappointed and now want to know if Cali is from...yeah...
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)call it "Cali" and "Frisco" all the time, like JT the Bigga Figga and Spice 1.
frylock
(34,825 posts)cali, norcal, socal, frisco, yay area....
reddread
(6,896 posts)If I could change one thing about Amy Goodman...
Silent3
(15,231 posts)I try to accept it and say it now, because after all, that seems to be what the majority of Nevada residents say they think the pronunciation should be.
I went a long, long time in my life, however, hearing "neh VAH duh" before ever hearing anyone talk about Nevadans having a different preference, and besides, "neh VAH duh" makes a whole lot more sense, knowing that it's a Spanish word after all, and that the a-as-in-cat sound isn't part of the Spanish language.
As for "Cali", well that's just sickeningly precious and obnoxious. I have no trouble avoiding that.
reddread
(6,896 posts)I sure cant understand the correct pronunciation of "Versailles" and "Louisville" out here.
I just avoid using them if I can.
its pretty obvious I have "Californian" tatooed upon my forehead, anyway.
ballabosh
(330 posts)I grew up in rural (very rural) Illinois and now am in Chicago. I've never called California Cali and I don't recall anyone I know ever calling it that. Maybe it's after my generation.
But to add to this thread, please don't pronounce the "s" at the end of Illinois (or as most people do, make it sound like a "z". That drives me crazy and I will correct you if you do it.
Silver Swan
(1,110 posts)That is all..
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I'll skip that trip to Cali if you are all like that!
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Come up and chill, stay if you like, we don't hate.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)I hope that meets with your approval.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Although the show is funny.
As an ex-Californian, however, I reserve the right to call the state "Cal-eee-FOR-Nye-Ayyyyy"
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Just don't tell anyone I admitted it...oophs! Started watching Portlandia this year and was able to catch up on all four seasons.
I refer to California as the place most likely to fall in the ocean. Actually I hope that never happens because then they'll all come to Oregon and we have enough of them already.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Know some old hippies from Cali that call it...Cali. Wow, imagine that.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)Sickening.
Hello m'dear! I hope life is good for you!
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)It's good to see you hanging around. Things are good. Hope all is well with you.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Ptah
(33,032 posts)This OP was started 11 minutes after this post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3885458
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Puglover
(16,380 posts)being compared to a wedding between a tomato and a human being the day we got it.
Because it was a "joke". Yuck. Yuck. Yuck.
YOUR conscience is fine.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)It's one thing when it's trolls, another entirely when it's people who are supposed to hold Democratic values.
It's disgusting how those "jokes" are allowed to stand and not apologized for.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)You're either a shit stirrer or don't get it.
I know you do. Thank you.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)mtnester
(8,885 posts)xchrom
(108,903 posts)I called it Cali - others I knew - all natives - did as well.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)and all my daughter's friends are natives and I have never heard anyone refer to California as Cali. We live in San Francisco and have many friends up in Northern California and visit them several times a year.
How do you use it? Like.. "I live in Cali," or, "I am from Cali." Or, "My address is, 5555 No. Elm, Huntington Beach, Cali."
I can't understand the context that you would use "Cali" in that it would make sense
BuddhaGirl
(3,608 posts)I grew up in Huntington Beach and now live in SF
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)and San Francisco when I was 28!
I am 56 years old now and have never regretted moving here. I love this city!
sofa king
(10,857 posts)What do the Pennies think about it?
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)So, did you drove or did you flew?
Sid
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Now, calling San Francisco "Frisco" OTOH...
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,869 posts)but then again I love antagonizing over sensitive left-coast egos.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)LOL, I'm going to file this in the "really? who gives a shit?" column. As others have noted - it's a pile on. And because of this, I'm going to use Cali all the time.
Cali Cali Cali Cali.
Yep, I'm immature like that.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)I know I brought work home this weekend, but I didn't know the middle schoolers were here too.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)to any substantive discussion.
Not that what one chooses to call a state is substantive. Having lived in California for 38 years of my life, I always call it California.
I love the left coast. Go ahead. As another Californian once said, make my day.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,869 posts)Thanks for proving it.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)you love "antagonizing" people, and are just fine with stereotyping, as well.
Neither are characteristics to be proud of; they both exhibit some of the worst of human nature, rather than the better.
SamYeager
(309 posts)IT cracks me up when the silliest things become huge controversies.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)This thread is my contribution to that weekend tradition.
It's getting lots of kicks, so it's all good.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)You should know how it feels to be ganged up on, MineralMan.
If this is DU "silliness," I think I'm taking the weekend off.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)Grateful for Hope
(39,320 posts)Nothing 'silly' about it.
Heddi
(18,312 posts)but he rarely is, considering his nasty history of posting bigoted slurs against gays and blacks during the many years he was on FreeRepublic (posts which he say were part of the "freeper character" he had to maintain, and which he doesn't apologize for making), and the nasty "satire" he posted earlier this year when DOMA was overturned comparing gay marriage to a person marrying a tomato which he refused to delete despite being bigoted and homophobic.
This is just par for the course this poster.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Just sayin'.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)defending a post that compared marriage equality to marriage between a person and a tomato. On the day we got it. "But hey, it's a joke!"
How ironic you would proselytize about "slurs".
just sayin.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Puglover
(16,380 posts)You are no Jane Fonda.
What an insult to Jane.
Heddi
(18,312 posts)and make no apologies for the posts made on FR that use derogatory slurs against blacks (calling them "chimps", for example), or when I proudly post on DU that gay marriage is equal to human-tomato marriage.
Then you can accuse me of making "slurs"
Because I don't say hateful things about black people (or any other race) and I don't demean the civil rights of others. ANd I don't do it proudly, and repeatedly.
And when you defend those that make such slurs proudly, and repeatedly...well, just sayin'
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)MM might pretend that is the reason now, but I don't believe him when he says that is the reason for this OP.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)otohara
(24,135 posts)born and raised - he started using Cali when he was a teen and still refers to it as Cali in his early 20's. All his male friends in CA use the term.
It's okay if you call my home city the mildly high city - not a big deal.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)" out West " and we were " back east " .
onethatcares
(16,172 posts)most days I feel like "DUH"
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)and Tampa is the 813!
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)But, I've always called them California, Nevada, Oregon, Florida, Ohio, New Jersey, and Washington. I also spent some time in Japa, Taiw, and Engl, Mexi and Cana.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)than most people have been around a pee pot, looking for the handle, No offense teabaggers .
SamYeager
(309 posts)doc03
(35,348 posts)California last year and thought it was beautiful and the people I talked to were very nice. If you mention San Fransisco
here most people make some comment about gays. They think you are risking your life in LA they have to say something about the
gangs. We have a lot of close minded people prejudiced people here.
deurbano
(2,895 posts)Ive lived in California for all of my 59 years, except for the first two in the Mississippi Delta and the four years I spent in Vermont in my 20s. Until I was 21, I lived in the Central Valley. For the last 33 years, Ive lived in San Francisco.
I dont care if people say Cali or Frisco
even though I never refer to my state and city that way. I also dont care if people make fun of the South, the Central Valley, Vermont, California or San Francisco. (Well, when my right-wing, Ditto-head mother complains about how "ugly" San Francisco is... just because she hates the political environment... that does annoy me, especially considering the Central Valley hellhole she lives in!) Im not sure Ive ever actually run into anyonein personmaking fun of Vermont, but the other places Ive lived have all been frequently targeted
including by me!
PDittie
(8,322 posts)Adsos Letter
(19,459 posts)Always referred to San Francisco as The City.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I made the same point below before I saw your post.
Adsos Letter
(19,459 posts)Yup.
deurbano
(2,895 posts)I'm 59, and when I was I was 15 and visiting my friend in Modesto, her mom made us wear "nice" dresses when she took us on a trip to The City. (I lived in a more southern Central Valley town, and we never thought of L.A. in the same way the northern Californians thought of San Francisco.) My girlfriend and I just wanted to go meet some hippies, so we were a little overdressed! My husband (coincidentally, also from Modesto, though I met him later) said he had to wear a suit when he went to Giants games! (I've lived in "The City" for 33 years, now, so I don't tend to call it that anymore.)
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)1969-1970, but I did after I moved out to Bolinas (for obvious reasons, since Bolinas definitely ISN'T the City) and now, even when I've been in Alaska since 1975, I still call San Francisco "The City." Old habits are hard to break.
deurbano
(2,895 posts)(Lucky.)
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)It's still hard for me to believe that I was only there in the city for two years because I had so many great adventures there, but when I count back, I realize I did move out to Bolinas in early 1971. I was there until 1974, then spent a year in Forbestown up in the foothills, and then on to Alaska in '75. I've been here ever since. If I were going to live anywhere besides Alaska, it would be the Bay Area. We still go down to visit every year.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Frisco is a definite no-no.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)Divine Discontent
(21,056 posts)maybe I'm dating myself because he says, 'pop in a cassette and push play' in it. lol... I basically just remember most of the song is his saying "I'm going back to Cali Cali Cali... I don't think so", because he's East coast, which I guess makes the OP's point! lol
http://www.zazzle.com/shutdown_the_gop_by_voting_in_2014_government-128195183613839642?rf=238107662556833486
Skittles
(153,169 posts)Divine Discontent
(21,056 posts)byronius
(7,395 posts)TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)cali posts regularly on DU and regularly gets my bowels in an uproar. However that is good because it gets me to think. Thanks cali wherever you are.
The state that anchors the far south west of the US (continental) is CALIFORNIA and its world class city is San Francisco-not Frisco and certainly not San Fran!!
frylock
(34,825 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)And we call it Cali - LOL
ThoughtCriminal
(14,047 posts)Usually spelled with all caps, is the school with that football team and sometimes the nickname for the state.
PS: War Eagle!
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)or, if they lived in L.A., refer to their area as "SoCal," but never "Cali" -- which is actually a city in Colombia.
mitchtv
(17,718 posts)it took a while.
drmeow
(5,020 posts)I know a woman in her mid twenties from So Cal (I hope that's OK - at least in writing) who calls it Cali. As a 5th generation Californian (who moved to Zona it drives me effing NUTS
HomerRamone
(1,112 posts)or even eats that many baked beans...
tofuandbeer
(1,314 posts)Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)It's Snfrnsisco
Heddi
(18,312 posts)instead of making it seem an innocent and silly post about the shortened name of a state.
This is a call out, it is a blatant call-out, and it's very nasty
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023885331
but we've learned to expect nothing less from the person who was a proud member of FreeREpublic for many years, who made numerous bigoted slurs against gays and blacks while on FR, and who just recently on DU compared gay marriage to a human marrying a tomato. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023105108
Stay classy, MineralMan. We can always count on you to raise the level of discourse on DU
BuddhaGirl
(3,608 posts)exactly how he wants you to.
Maybe it's time to move on?
Jus' saying.
Faygo Kid
(21,478 posts)With nearly 90,000 posts, a long-timer indeed: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=152034
Also hope that the biggest problem we face in the future is calling California "Cali".
orleans
(34,060 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)The vast majority of people i've known from the state use that word...of course most of the Californians I know are black, so maybe it is one of "our" things
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)That could explain why he so adamantly and completely hates "Cali" that he felt he needed an OP to rage against it.
He perhaps hates it because the "type" of people he hears call it that rankles his whiskers and feels the need to scold them until they speak the way the "proper" people do.
It could simply be he is a control freak with an attitude problem, I doubt even he knows why it offends him so much he thinks he needed an OP to set the entire country straight on how to speak to his satisfaction.
Just one of those mysteries I guess.
I think it's a stupid topic and a waste of pixels arranged on my screen, I only read through it to try to figure out why it was so damn important to him and thus ended up wasting my time.[center]
oldhippie
(3,249 posts)... or is it different?
Javaman
(62,530 posts)I DON'T THINK SO!
Zambero
(8,964 posts)Residents of that city do not seem to have a "Frisco complex".
ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)when Washington was being annexed by Californian financial interests, large numbers of California yuppies emigrated to the North West. Many of them became TV personages on local stations. They began calling Puget Sound "The Puget Sound" being, as such people usually are, too shallow and glib to care or note that the names of "sounds" are traditionally not prefixed with an article. Those of us born and raised there grind our teeth when these fools mispronounce Puget Sound. They really should go home and call San Francisco Bay "The San Francisco Bay."
TeamPooka
(24,229 posts)tjwash
(8,219 posts)I have always referred to San Diego Los Angeles and Ventura as So-Cal, Santa Barbara, and Pismo as the CC, and and San Francisco on up as No-Cal.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)For example, Brisbane is Brissy. I'm visiting the US either next year or the year after, and though as soon as I open my mouth people won't mistake me for a local, I promise I'll call places and people by their full names
Hosnon
(7,800 posts)I occasionally refer to it as "Cali" and I'll probably continue to do so. I'll accept whatever my punishment is...
Divine Discontent
(21,056 posts)IDemo
(16,926 posts)There is no Z in "Boise".
I have seen "Cal" used often, though generally more as an adjective than as place name: "Cal-style motorcycle", etc.
REP
(21,691 posts)And Brush Creek is still an open sewage run-off, no matter how many damn fountains they put in it.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I was born and raised in Cali. We called it Cali. Sometimes Killa Cali, but Cali nonetheless.
When my friends call me from there they ask me ' when you coming back to Cali?'.
trumad
(41,692 posts)Called it Cali all the time.
LostOne4Ever
(9,289 posts)This should be entertaining.
Lets be honest, you say NO-ONE in Cali calls Cali Cali. But above we already had a few cases of people from Cali calling Cali Cali rather than California. Further, no matter how much you correct people, we all know they are going to call California Cali anyways.
Its like me trying to correct my fellow Texans who insist on calling Ruidosa RIO-Dosa rather than the more correct pronunciation of RUI-dosa. In the end its just me being grumpy and anal. Kinda like the stereotype of an Old man yelling at kids "You kids get off my lawn!!!"
cui bono
(19,926 posts)When did that become a thing?
Yeah, in a headline one would expect to see CA but this is a fucking message board. Do you know how many times in the last three days I've see "their" used instead of "they're" on here? But guess what? I didn't feel compelled to start an entire thread about it just to criticize someone.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Perhaps, when seeing it in a DU thread title, it's a way to save keystrokes since the length of a thread title is limited.
Attempting to call out Nadin in this fashion has only made you look foolish.
exlrrp
(623 posts)Our attitude here is pronounce the state however you please as long as you come and bring money. or better yet, don't come, just send money
Oregon! ---where we NEVER make you fill your own tank
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)After 33 years I' a true vermonter. I love it here all 5 seasons.
Yes, we have 5 seasons...Mud season! It means Spring is around the corner and we've already had a delicious taste of it.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)Y'all have fun out there with that mud
California (CA) Mud Runs & Obstacle Races
A complete list, guide & directory to obstacle races, adventure runs, and mud runs in California
http://www.mudrunguide.com/directory/usa/california-ca/
Hekate
(90,714 posts)pipi_k
(21,020 posts)we can tell out-of-towners by what they call some cities and towns.
Like Northampton. Some mischievous types might tell out of towners that it's called NOHO, but hardly anyone actually calls it that. Especially not actual residents of the city.
Amherst is said with a silent "h". It's Am-merst...not Am-herst like the one in (I think) NH.
And the town of Monson is pronounced "Mun-sen"...not "Monn-son".
Oh, and one more..."Worcester" and "Leicester" are pronounced "Wuss-ter" and "Les-ter"
PS...I have never called California "Cali".
dchill
(38,505 posts)Ireland, and it really steams me when...
Not. I'm from PA. We all say PA, AKA Pee-yay. Pencil-vane-yuh is just such a mouthful. Also, Guy Fieri (not his real name) is from Cali, and he ALWAYS calls it Cali (not its real name.)
I guess what I'm saying is, "What's the big deal?" But anyway, I hope we're all feeling better soon!
meti57b
(3,584 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)I'm back in New Yawk again, 15 miles nort of dabronx. 'snice eer. Lossa trees and stuff. 'ngrass 'n little angimuls like skwerlz and shit.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)I grew up in So-Cal (I do remember "So-Cal" being said a few times)
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)...just because of this silly post.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)At least as long as I remember
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)I've lived in Iowa since I was 4, including the years in which I was a teenage girl, and I've never heard anyone call CA "Cali."
byronius
(7,395 posts)Actually, I live in Davis, which everyone everywhere calls 'The People's Republic Of Davis', lefties with pride, righties with horror.
Throd
(7,208 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)"Cleveland" should actually be "Cleaveland". Bellfontaine is pronounced "bell-fountain". We have two Berlins, each pronounced differently. Many Ohioans say "Ohio" using only one syllable.
And all of these linguistic mutilations are officially recognized and vehemently insisted upon by the locals.
Autumn
(45,107 posts)That's good news
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023886431
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)So, as I said in mine...
People can write anything they wish on DU. Not a problem.
Autumn
(45,107 posts)Cali's on the right track with pot legalization.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)The usage has always bothered me. So, I wrote about it. I was reminded of it in another thread, which I did not link to. I was discussing the usage, not anyone in particular. I hear "Cali" fairly frequently. When I do, I am slightly bothered. So, I wrote about it.
It has been an interesting thread. I'm bemused by the number of people who bothered to read it, and even more bemused by the threads it spawned.
I'm a language guy. Always have been. I've written about language on DU many times, and will continue to write about language here. It's something that interests me.
If someone wants to make it more than that, that's their deal, not mine.
Actually, I heard "Cali" again just last night. The 20-something daughter of close friends mentioned that she was thinking about "moving to Cali." I explained the same thing to her. She said, "Really? I didn't know that. I'll remember it, though."
trumad
(41,692 posts)And did the biggest eye roll ever.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Some of those actually exist.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Now my brain hurts.
Throd
(7,208 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Never have. Never will. I am a Californian, even though I now live elsewhere. It's my home state, and my parents and siblings still live there, in the same town where I grew up.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)and I just had my first post or thread locked on DU3 for jokingly pointing that fact out, along with the fact that the DUer using that name has frequently mentioned their locale, which is not there.
Apparently only one jurist recognized it as a joke, as did the 3 people who read it and replied within 2 minutes or so. The rest of the jury apparently thought I was making a personal attack, which I was not, and sharing personal information available elsewhere on the internet (which is true, if you consider DU and GD to be "elsewhere on the internet"
Just sayin' this thread, which is mocking somebody totally else, is trouble...
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)It's about the use of the word "Cali" instead of California. It's a common usage, and I'm interested in language usage. So, I posted a thread about that usage.
If it had been about the DUer, cali, I wouldn't have capitalized the word. I'm pretty meticulous about that sort of thing. I often participate in cali's threads, so I'm familiar with that DUer. And, yes, she does mention the state she lives in often. It's not a secret at all. I don't do call-outs.
How others read the thread is their deal, not mine. I saw "Cali" used in a thread, which prompted me to bring up that usage in my own thread. I didn't link to the thread where I saw it used, because that thread was irrelevant to my point. I did, however, comment in that thread about the usage, which is moderately annoying to me.
I certainly did not expect the interest this thread has created, though. Most of my threads about language are barely noticed. It's been interesting.
I'm sorry your post got hidden. I wasn't on the jury that hid it, and haven't even seen the thread.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)I first saw it at work and at first glance, thought it was about the DUer. Then read the OP and realized it wasn't.
Everytime I see it, it makes me think of the DUer. That is all. Just joking around with it, which the replies to my OP realized.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)John1956PA
(2,655 posts)Here is comment from a person who asks a question which I have occasionally thought about:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/pennsylvania/546438-why-do-people-always-refer-pennsylvania.html
Why Do People Always Refer to Pennsylvania as "P.A."?
I grew up in Pennsylvania and I always wondered why we refer to our state as "P.A." all of the time.
How many other states do that? Imagine people saying "I'm from F.L.", or "I'm heading to C.A, or I'm from T.N.
Kinda funny, and I don't understand why we do this in Pennsylvania.
Other states have names just as long as Pennsylvania (California, Oklahoma, etc.), but they don't seem to have the urge to use the abbreviation. It just doesn't sound as good to say Los Angeles, C.A. as it does to say Pittsburgh, P.A.
Doesn't really bother me though - anybody have any ideas? Is is just because it rolls off the tongue?
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)That is all I can think of.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)Cali
Cali
Cali
Cali
Cali
Cali
Cali
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)If so, congratulations! Not one misspelling.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)Gidney N Cloyd
(19,841 posts)It's not horrifically offensive but it will identify you as an out-of-towner faster than ketchup on a hotdog.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Gidney N Cloyd
(19,841 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Sometimes I do call it "that toddling town," though.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)place to avoid! Why they didn't build a bridge over it, with no get on or off ramps is beyond me!
liberal N proud
(60,336 posts)I lived in Missouri for 20+ years and never heard it called Cali.
I live in Ohio where they claim to be midwest and never hear anyone use the term Cali.
We all call it California or the West Coast. Where in the hell is Minnie?