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davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 03:38 PM Oct 2013

Austria: woman poisons two pregnant friends inducing miscarriages because she was jealous

This woman POISONED two of her pregnant friends who then miscarried. Why? Because she had previously miscarried and was jealous the other two were going to have successful pregnancies.

She only gets 4 months of jail.

Maier told a court in Klagenfurt, Austria: 'I couldn't stand the thought of them having babies who would be growing up when mine was dead.

'Mine should have been with them as well, but instead mine died while theirs went on.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2464973/Angela-Maier-poisoned-women-cause-miscarriage.html
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Austria: woman poisons two pregnant friends inducing miscarriages because she was jealous (Original Post) davidn3600 Oct 2013 OP
What is the average sentence for poisoning in Austria? gollygee Oct 2013 #1
If the expecting mothers had intended to give birth, isn't that similar to murder? LittleBlue Oct 2013 #2
Anti-choice groups consider it murder. nt HooptieWagon Oct 2013 #5
I thought that's the way the law is in the US LittleBlue Oct 2013 #6
Yes agree pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #10
It is murder if the baby is wanted by the mother, otherwise it is not The Straight Story Oct 2013 #9
I think you are splitting some mighty fine hairs.... HooptieWagon Oct 2013 #11
Question is - is what I said inaccurate, or is it the truth? The Straight Story Oct 2013 #12
I don't know. HooptieWagon Oct 2013 #13
If it's something she had been prescribed then it isn't attempted murder gollygee Oct 2013 #7
She wasn't trying to kill the women. She was trying to kill the fetuses. LisaL Oct 2013 #17
That's not what I'm replying to. gollygee Oct 2013 #18
She needs to be in a mental hospital. nt HooptieWagon Oct 2013 #3
That is horrible. Rex Oct 2013 #4
Good grief. pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #8
if thats what is was, jelousy is a powerful emotion. tillikum Oct 2013 #14
I don't know Austrian law, but if this happened in the U.S., Jenoch Oct 2013 #15
Under "unborn victims of violence" act, somebody could get up to a life sentence here in US. LisaL Oct 2013 #16
Holy hell Aerows Oct 2013 #19
 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
2. If the expecting mothers had intended to give birth, isn't that similar to murder?
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 03:49 PM
Oct 2013

And possibly attempted murder of the mothers themselves?

She should spend a long time in a prison or psychiatric ward.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
6. I thought that's the way the law is in the US
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 03:55 PM
Oct 2013

If the mother has a healthy, viable pregnancy and she intends to give birth, what else is it?

This is not a choice issue, the pregnant women had made their choice.

pitbullgirl1965

(564 posts)
10. Yes agree
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 04:20 PM
Oct 2013

She took that away from them, caused them emotional and mental anguish and endangered their health.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
9. It is murder if the baby is wanted by the mother, otherwise it is not
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 04:18 PM
Oct 2013

And in this case the mothers wanted the babies and were denied the right to choose.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
11. I think you are splitting some mighty fine hairs....
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 04:50 PM
Oct 2013

...and are setting yourself up for your arguement to be used against you by the antis...just saying. Suit yourself.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
12. Question is - is what I said inaccurate, or is it the truth?
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 05:09 PM
Oct 2013

One person has all the power in the situation and depending on how they want to act is what triggers certain laws and legal designations.

That is not an opinion, that is just simply how it is done.

Should it be considered stealing in this case (not really because the other party did not get something from it)?

Maybe the law should simply call it assault. Would you (or others, asking in general here) be in favor of a law that considers it just assault or do folks think it is killing something? And if so it goes to the question of why it is in one case and not the other.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
13. I don't know.
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 06:07 PM
Oct 2013

I'm pro-choice, but I'm a male so I really don't have a dog in the fight. But I'm just sayin'...if you use the word murder, the anti's are going to throw it back at you. I just think less vulnerable terminology can be used..."forced abortion" for instance...that would carry similar penalties as murder, but not give antis any ammunition. But like I said before, suit yourself.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
7. If it's something she had been prescribed then it isn't attempted murder
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 03:56 PM
Oct 2013

because she could be reasonably sure it would not kill them or it wouldn't have been prescribed to her. And if it had killed them due to an allergic reaction or something, unless she knew about that allergy and knew the drug might trigger it, she wouldn't have had a motive of killing.

I don't know if I see it as similar to murder, but I definitely think it's worse than, for instance, when there were some guys who fed marijuana-laced brownies to some Mormon missionaries as a prank. They were charged with poisoning and they didn't intend to actually cause real harm, but this woman obviously did. She absolutely deserves a much longer prison sentence.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
18. That's not what I'm replying to.
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 06:58 PM
Oct 2013

You probably should have read the post I was replying to before responding to me.

pitbullgirl1965

(564 posts)
8. Good grief.
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 04:14 PM
Oct 2013

She's blaming her depression? Oh hell no. And she has kids? Please tell me someone will monitor her with them.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
15. I don't know Austrian law, but if this happened in the U.S.,
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 06:14 PM
Oct 2013

I would hope this woman would get more than 18 months with 14 months suspended.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
19. Holy hell
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 07:50 PM
Oct 2013

She doesn't need jail, she needs to spend some serious time in a psychiatric facility to determine why she has such a high opinion of herself and such a low opinion of others. There are millions of depressed people but they don't kill other people's children because they had a miscarriage. My goodness, most women have a miscarriage or two in the course of trying to have a child and they don't run around poisoning people. We don't even know if those were the only ones she attempted - those were the ones she succeeded at.

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