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BelgianMadCow

(5,379 posts)
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 05:31 PM Oct 2013

See if you can spot the odd one out (healthcare)

Left: healthcare cost per capita
Right: life expectancy



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_system#International_comparisons

Direct comparisons of health statistics across nations are complex. The Commonwealth Fund, in its annual survey, "Mirror, Mirror on the Wall", compares the performance of the health systems in Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, Germany, Canada and the U.S. Its 2007 study found that, although the U.S. system is the most expensive, it consistently underperforms compared to the other countries.[32] A major difference between the U.S. and the other countries in the study is that the U.S. is the only country without universal health care.


On edit: what I've read on DU about the ACA means that a larger part of the public will be "carrying" the healthcare system. If it then turns out to be a positive experience, that opens people up towards having everybody carry their part. Something I'd look for in a 2016 nominee, but I'm Crazy Left.
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See if you can spot the odd one out (healthcare) (Original Post) BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 OP
Stunning. silverweb Oct 2013 #1
It's obviously Japan. They live more than a year longer than the next closest nation. . . Journeyman Oct 2013 #2
I tried to find out what's different in Japan BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #8
Wow! tosh Oct 2013 #3
Bookmarking. truebluegreen Oct 2013 #4
This just proves what a failure Obamacare is..... Wounded Bear Oct 2013 #5
Japan probably has the most socialized healthcare system IronLionZion Oct 2013 #6
Well, in Japan they do not Enthusiast Oct 2013 #7
including families IronLionZion Oct 2013 #12
Honestly, I don't think that's true, I think people confuse their emergency clinics with hospital... Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #9
That's good to know IronLionZion Oct 2013 #11
Yes, I read that in Japan, if it isn't an immediate, life threatening thing, they will... Humanist_Activist Oct 2013 #14
Wow, if that's not a punch in the face I don't know what is. City Lights Oct 2013 #10
Public service vs. consumer product 1000words Oct 2013 #13
Hopefully the ACA will help turn that around. Rex Oct 2013 #15

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
1. Stunning.
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 05:38 PM
Oct 2013

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Hopefully, Obamacare just the first step in fixing this -- until we get what everyone deserves: quality cradle-to-grave single-payer health care.

The ACA isn't perfect, but it's a giant first step.

Journeyman

(15,036 posts)
2. It's obviously Japan. They live more than a year longer than the next closest nation. . .
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 05:46 PM
Oct 2013

and they do it for almost a $1,000 a year cheaper than the main cluster of nations.

The U.S., while even more starkly different, isn't an "odd one out." It's simply criminal.

BelgianMadCow

(5,379 posts)
8. I tried to find out what's different in Japan
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 06:05 PM
Oct 2013

turned out they don't allow hospitals to be run for profit. That may have something to do with it.

Good spotting!

IronLionZion

(45,454 posts)
6. Japan probably has the most socialized healthcare system
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 11:11 AM
Oct 2013

but I think their life expectancy has more to do with their lifestyle and diet rather than their healthcare system. Many of their emergency rooms close on weekends, which can suck if you get injured then.

What's up with Norway? They should be more efficient.

USA is number 1! in costs of course. Because the private sector is efficient like that.


Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
7. Well, in Japan they do not
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 05:53 PM
Oct 2013

characterize their elderly as useless eaters. They revere the elderly. The elderly here are subjected to constant threats to their medicare and meager social security checks. This alone probably has an impact on health.

IronLionZion

(45,454 posts)
12. including families
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 08:11 PM
Oct 2013

Japanese children are expected to care for their parents, grandparents, etc. its a strong family unit. American families don't often have that culture. Some do, but many don't feel they owe anything to their elderly in their own flesh and blood families.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
9. Honestly, I don't think that's true, I think people confuse their emergency clinics with hospital...
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 06:11 PM
Oct 2013

emergency departments. Their emergency clinics are equivalent to U.S. urgent care clinics, which have limited hours, but are for things that aren't immediately life threatening, but may still need immediate care, whereas emergency rooms at hospitals are for, well, emergencies.

IronLionZion

(45,454 posts)
11. That's good to know
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 07:59 PM
Oct 2013

I've never been to Japan but read about this in an article about their health system. The author thought it was for cost savings but he may have misunderstood.

I do know that many countries are strict about their emergency rooms being reserved for legit life threatening emergencies and are way less crowded than American ERs.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
14. Yes, I read that in Japan, if it isn't an immediate, life threatening thing, they will...
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 09:53 PM
Oct 2013

refer you to an emergency clinic instead and kick you out of the hospital. I never been there either, but have had friends who lived there or have family there. Of course, availability of emergency clinics varies, just like here.

The clinics are just like our urgent care clinics, many with hours outside of business hours, and also being open on weekends, varies by individual clinic, of course.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
15. Hopefully the ACA will help turn that around.
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 09:54 PM
Oct 2013

Otherwise what we are really saying as a country, is that life doesn't matter one bit.

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