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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts) Mon Oct 21, 2013, 02:00 PM Oct 2013

If The Dems Cave On Social Security And Medicare They Will Rescue The GOP

If they cave the GOP will blame them for the cuts like they did in 2010 when the alleged cuts were not cuts in services. Why the Dems keep ignoring and even punishing their progressive base if beyond me. The GOPPERS go out of their way to support their base but the Dems go out of their way to ignore it. When Rahm said progressives had no where to go fuck you, he cost us the loss in 2010. Attacking your base is like a person stabbing themselves in the chest. It is complete idiotic.

Obama still does not embrace the left. And we seem to have no strong Senators who will defend these earned benefit programs. What are we going to be able to vote for if the Dems won't aggressively support these programs? I am really losing faith.

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If The Dems Cave On Social Security And Medicare They Will Rescue The GOP (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Oct 2013 OP

political theater datasuspect Oct 2013 #1

How many times have we gone through this though?! Shouldn't we spend more energy on something else uponit7771 Oct 2013 #2

You must have missed Durbin talking about it yesterday Oilwellian Oct 2013 #6

or the two months before or the 23 years before that. Come on, benefits != efficiencies uponit7771 Oct 2013 #8

Except they aren't proposing efficiencies. jeff47 Oct 2013 #11

The administration has not and will not cut SS. tridim Oct 2013 #3

They have offered it. Autumn Oct 2013 #9

The administration has not and will not cut SS. nt tridim Oct 2013 #10

They have offered a chained CPI on the table. n/t Autumn Oct 2013 #12

Chained CPI is a cut......nt Enthusiast Oct 2013 #15

Worst thing they could do. Easily. Scuba Oct 2013 #4

Well... Oilwellian Oct 2013 #5

We need to get them talking about strengthening and expanding closeupready Oct 2013 #7

A corporatist government will cut social security and Medicare benefits rather require large indepat Oct 2013 #13

I heard the President say, "Corporate taxes are too high in this country." Enthusiast Oct 2013 #16

& snatch defeat from the jaws of victory Faryn Balyncd Oct 2013 #14

Dems won't. Obama won't. Hekate Oct 2013 #17

The Chained-CPI FUD crew is sure they're right this time. tridim Oct 2013 #19

I'm so sick of the fucking stupid denial on DU about this cali Oct 2013 #18

datasuspect

(26,591 posts)

1. political theater

Reply to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Mon Oct 21, 2013, 02:01 PM

Oct 2013

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)

2. How many times have we gone through this though?! Shouldn't we spend more energy on something else

Reply to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Mon Oct 21, 2013, 02:02 PM

Oct 2013

... like stopping the gerrymandering or reversing the filibuster?

Seems like every two months there comes up a "stop Obama from cutting xxx " thread and there's never ever going to be a benefit cut of xxx ... not even talked about

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)

6. You must have missed Durbin talking about it yesterday

Reply to uponit7771 (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 21, 2013, 02:17 PM

Oct 2013

When they bring it up, we respond. Capiche?

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)

8. or the two months before or the 23 years before that. Come on, benefits != efficiencies

Reply to Oilwellian (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 21, 2013, 02:33 PM

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jeff47

(26,549 posts)

11. Except they aren't proposing efficiencies.

Reply to uponit7771 (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 21, 2013, 03:40 PM

Oct 2013

He was talking about chained CPI. That's not an efficiency.

tridim

(45,358 posts)

3. The administration has not and will not cut SS.

Reply to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Mon Oct 21, 2013, 02:03 PM

Oct 2013

But thanks for Chained CPI FUD post #5327!!!!!11

Autumn

(45,120 posts)

9. They have offered it.

Reply to tridim (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 21, 2013, 03:23 PM

Oct 2013

All the FUD in the world can't change that. Perhaps they should stop doing that and then Democrats will trust them to not cut SS. The mere offer ended any trust I had in them looking out for one of our most important programs.

tridim

(45,358 posts)

10. The administration has not and will not cut SS. nt

Reply to Autumn (Reply #9)

Mon Oct 21, 2013, 03:26 PM

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Autumn

(45,120 posts)

12. They have offered a chained CPI on the table. n/t

Reply to tridim (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 21, 2013, 03:47 PM

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Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)

15. Chained CPI is a cut......nt

Reply to tridim (Reply #10)

Tue Oct 22, 2013, 05:20 AM

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Scuba

(53,475 posts)

4. Worst thing they could do. Easily.

Reply to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Mon Oct 21, 2013, 02:12 PM

Oct 2013

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)

5. Well...

Reply to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Mon Oct 21, 2013, 02:16 PM

Oct 2013

The Third Way are GOP light so it stands to reason.

closeupready

(29,503 posts)

7. We need to get them talking about strengthening and expanding

Reply to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Mon Oct 21, 2013, 02:22 PM

Oct 2013

both programs, through tax hikes and lowering retirement age.

indepat

(20,899 posts)

13. A corporatist government will cut social security and Medicare benefits rather require large

Reply to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Mon Oct 21, 2013, 03:58 PM

Oct 2013

corporations (7% effective income tax rate?) to bear an equitable portion of the income tax burden required to pay for governmental operations, service its debt, and meet its obligations. The inexorable proof will be in the pudding cooked up.