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How can 500,000 people suddenly disappear? Easy. Find a MSM story that actually leads with interviews of any of the thousands of people who have gained access to healthcare due to ACA. Heck, I know people who have managed to sign up for health care and through the website no less, but even more to the point, you can also just use the phone as well. But, looking at the coverage, you would think that the ACA was nothing more than a website.
Perhaps it is guilt after having to sort of acknowledge that Republicans are indeed suicidal that the media, even "liberal" pundits need to prove up the fair and balanced bonafides by making the obligatory remarks about the federal website just a few weeks after launch. But, you would think that one of the thousands who received access to health coverage might get some notice.
http://www.salon.com/2013/10/21/liberal_pundit_fail_rush_to_attack_obamacare_site_only_aids_unhinged_right/
On the other hand, when liberals rush conscientiously to do that, they only encourage the completely unbalanced and unhinged coverage of whatever the problem may be.
It was predictable that the media would go nuts about this today, given that theyve spent so much time having their noses rubbed in how insane the GOP has become, after trying so hard, for so long, to ignore it. It feels like a law of nature. Nature abhors a vacuum; media nature abhors a false-equivalence vacuum.
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That seemed premature to me even a disastrous website rollout cant be a stand-in for the entire Affordable Care Act but of course Lizzas pronouncement was retweeted widely and for days. The Washington Posts great Ezra Klein then picked up the cudgel, telling the crew at MSNBCs Morning Joe, where every Obama misstep foretells the end of his presidency, that the Health and Human Services Department is covering up a massive management failure, because they had enough pre-launch information to know there were going to be massive problems and neither adjusted their rollout plan or prepared the public.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)many so called ,iberals are those who love to attack Obama anyway, either to gain cred with the hosts (like morning joe) or throw lobs at Obama from afar (like GG.)
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)Ignoring the problems is not the best way to deal with the situation.
And as far as the media not covering the people who have enrolled, almost all of the enrollees are from states that run their own exchanges. This is a case where we really can't blame the media. The administration's campaign of denial, followed by the round of "OK it is screwed up, but it is getting better every day" just encouraged the media to dig into more detail.
And just for the record, after getting in one and only one time, I am now on my 9th day in a row where I cannot get past the login screen. It just hangs up on page:
https://www.healthcare.gov/marketplace/auth/userprofile
TomCADem
(17,387 posts)The ACA is not just a website. The federal website is just one specific implementation of the law, and there are States, including New York and California, which were successful, which establishes that as a proof of concept, the law does work.
The issue is a specific implementation of the law, but there is no reason why that can't be fixed. Heck, why not just use New York or California's IT vendor? Yet, take a look at the news coverage, and you would think that the federal website is the law. It is not.
Put another way, lets say it is the early 1900s and a law is passed legalizing driving with an automobile, but the car that I buy is a lemon. However, other folks bought cars that seem to work. Does that mean that legalizing driving was in error? Of course not. Indeed, by looking at cars that are functioning properly, you can tell that it is okay to drive. Yet, if you take the MSM's approach, they would focus on the car that doesn't work to judge the effectiveness of the law.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)either cited specific people who had obtained coverage or at least talked generically about those having success. But the media has a problem. Virtually nobody has actually completed the enrollment process via the healthcare.gov site. The administration talks about ~400,000 who have APPLIED. I was able to put in my application information on the one day when I could get past the login. But I didn't select a product to purchase because the information about provider networks was broken. It probably still is broken. I don't know. I have never been able to log in again.
The idea of calling the 800 number is BS. I tried that. Like I'm going to sit there for 2 hours while some barely literate person reads me information off his screen? No way. This is too important to trust some poorly trained temp to do properly. I will do my own research.
Why is the network important? IN my market, I know for certain that the insurance companies have been striking deals with one particular hospital system so they can get the lowest cost. This is the same hospital whose abject incompetence killed my mother 4 weeks ago. I won't buy any policy that limits me to that system. There are much better systems in my city, so I have to find policies that include the better systems in their network.
I notice your ID includes "CADem". Does that mean you live in CA? If so, I am truly happy you have a system that works for you, but please don't do the Republican thing and say "Hey, I got mine. Screw the rest of you." This is a serious problem. It is a huge failure by an administration that is trying to sell the public on the concept of "government that works". Don't blame the media. And don't blame the messengers. The blame here lies entirely with the Obama administration.
TomCADem
(17,387 posts)That was the point of my post. The media portrays the website problem with the actual law itself. It is not. I agree the federal website needs to be fixed, and the point of my reference to California is that California and other states show that the law can work. The problems with the federal website does not show that the law itself is flawed. It just shows that an IT project fail, and the fact of the matter is that major IT projects often have huge problems. However, the success of State exchanges shows that the federal website can be fixed.
The media's problem is that they push the Republican talking point equating the ACA with the website with little focus on successful implementations. Where is the fair and balanced coverage? Indeed, I think highlighting the success of State systems puts pressure on the Obama administration to fix it, because it shows that the problems are fixable.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)There is more to the ACA than the Healthcare.gov website, especially for people who are fortunate to live in a place where they don't have to use healthcare.gov.
My point is that you cannot buy health insurance as if you are picking up a candy bar at the cash register of the drug store. it is a complex decision, and it is insulting for anybody to suggest that in 2013, when being asked to buy a product costing $18,000 a year, we should be satisfied sitting on the phone for hours while an untrained call center employee reads random figured off the screen that we are not allowed to see ourselves.
I do hope this is a thing that will improve in the next month. By clearing my web cache, I am now able to get logged back into the system, but now it has lost all my plan options and I find myself in yet another of the healthcare.gov catch-22 situations. I cannot cancel my application, but I cannot continue with the application I had already started because it doesn't show me any policies at all. So I guess I will have to spend some time with the call center tomorrow.
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)He's worse than Chicken Little.
UTUSN
(70,708 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)BluegrassStateBlues
(881 posts)Salon calling them out for it is ironic, though.
That clown Sirota, among others, have never had a kind word to say about this President.