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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe "Concern" About The Deficit is BULLSHIT
and democrats need to forcefully make that case:
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The paranoia over the deficit is particularly pernicious, and particularly lacking in empirical foundation. In the 2014 fiscal year, which began at the start of this month, the federal deficit is expected to come in at just 3.4 per cent of Gross Domestic Product, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. Thats down from 10.1 per cent of G.D.P. in 2009, when the Great Recession was at its height. And next fiscal year, the deficit will fall even further, to 2.1 per cent of G.D.P.
No, you didnt misread those figures. When President Obama says, as he did the other day, that the deficit has been cut in half, he is substantially understating what has happened in the past two or three years. (As recently as 2011, the deficit was still close to nine per cent of G.D.P.) With modest, but persistent, economic growth boosting tax revenues, and with Congress and the President introducing repeated measures to trim spending growth, the deficit, by the end of this fiscal year, will have dropped by about two thirds relative to its 2009 level. By fiscal 2015, it will have fallen by close to eighty per cent.
Already, dramatic progress has been madeperhaps too dramatic. We dont yet have the official figures for the last fiscal year, which ended on September 30th. (Thats not just because many government statisticians spent more than two weeks on furlough. Even in normal times, it takes a while to collate the numbers.) But according to the C.B.O.s latest estimate, the 2013 deficit was about four per cent of G.D.P. Thats a drop of roughly sixty per cent, relative to G.D.P., in the past four years.
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What policymakers in Congress should be doing is easing upand, indeed, partially reversingthe recent shift toward austerity, and looking for ways to solve the long-term problem. But, of course, thats not whats happening. According to the Times, negotiators on both sides have already ruled out making any significant changes to retirement programs and are instead focussing on more modest confidence building measures to replace the sequestration cuts in 2014. In other words, more cuts to domestic programs to replace the existing reductions, which Republicans dont like because they fall largely on the military.
What is the economic rationale for these cuts? With the deficit well under control, there isnt one. But dont waste your time pointing that out on Capitol Hill. Up there, the deficit bogeyman still lays down the law.
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/2013/10/slaying-the-deficit-bogeyman.html
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Why should I participate in the right-wing two Santa Claus strategy by pushing for a balanced budget only when Democrats control government? Personally, I don't want to play that game. We're in a recession (most of us are, anyway). I think the Federal Government should be spending more, not less. Interest rates are at historic lows, so it's less painful than ever for our government to borrow (and it should continue to do so until interest rates rise significantly).
So, I'm out on the balanced budget B.S. If and when the Republicans ever come back into power, they can worry about balancing the budget on their own time. You'll notice, however, that they never do. They cut taxes, launch expensive wars, and drive the deficit sky high every time they get into power so that Democrats will have to take the electoral punishment for cuts in government services.
No, thank you. I am tired of playing that game.
-Laelth
indie9197
(509 posts)Debt to revenue is a better stat to measure our financial health. I bet ours is far worse than any other country.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)A trip to Somalia might be instructive for you.
-Laelth
jeff47
(26,549 posts)On both counts.
Correct - but the GDP represents the tax base from which tax revenue flows. And revenue is a direct result of tax policy - tax rates. Of the OECD nations, only Turkey (by .1%) and Chile have a lower ratio of tax receipts as a percentage of GDP than the U.S. Japan, by the way, has a debt to GDP ratio twice that of the U.S.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)Remember who said that.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)...but GODDAMMIT!!! we need your Social Security and Medicare to pay down the deficit!