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marmar

(77,081 posts)
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 09:18 AM Oct 2013

KKK Battles Town Over School Bearing Klansman’s Name


KKK Battles Town Over School Bearing Klansman’s Name
Posted on Oct 21, 2013


Residents of Jacksonville, Fla., are trying to get school officials to strike the name of Nathan B. Forrest—a former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard—from the title of their high school.

Administrators attached Forrest’s name to the school in 1959 in an act of defiance to integration laws enforced by the case of Brown v. Board of Education. Jacksonville resident Omotayo Richmond launched a Change.org petition asking the Duval County School Board to change the name. He has collected 150,000 signatures so far.

An effort to change the name back in 2008 failed by a vote of 5 to 2. Board members are the only people empowered to make the change.

“I don’t want my daughter, or any student, going to a school named under those circumstances,” Richmond writes on the petition’s Web page. “This is a bad look for Florida—with so much racial division in our state, renaming Forrest High would be a step toward healing.” .......................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/kkk_battles_town_over_school_bearing_klansmans_name_20131021?ln



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KKK Battles Town Over School Bearing Klansman’s Name (Original Post) marmar Oct 2013 OP
I thought this would be about the Robert C Byrd High School. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #1
I seem to recall Byrd renouncing his racist past. thucythucy Oct 2013 #3
"Forrest dissolved the first incarnation of the Ku Klux Klan in 1869...." Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #5
And Adolph Eichmann told us at his trial thucythucy Oct 2013 #8
We have a whole county named after him in Miss. LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #2
Can't believe it's still named that. gopiscrap Oct 2013 #4
George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were racists who owned hundreds of slaves. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #6
They were founders of the United States Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #9
We still have quite a few Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #7

thucythucy

(8,069 posts)
3. I seem to recall Byrd renouncing his racist past.
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 10:25 AM
Oct 2013

I'm pretty sure NBF--slavetrader, traitor, war criminal--remained a racist until the day he died.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
5. "Forrest dissolved the first incarnation of the Ku Klux Klan in 1869...."
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 12:14 PM
Oct 2013

In 1875, Forrest demonstrated that his personal sentiments on the issue of race now differed from that of the Klan, when he was invited to give a speech before an organization of black Southerners advocating racial reconciliation, called the Independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association. At this, his last public appearance, he made what the New York Times described as a "friendly speech"[10] during which, when offered a bouquet of flowers by a black woman, he accepted them as a token of reconciliation between the races and espoused a radically progressive (for the time) agenda of equality and harmony between black and white Americans.[54] His speech was as follows:

"Ladies and Gentlemen I accept the flowers as a memento of reconciliation between the white and colored races of the southern states. I accept it more particularly as it comes from a colored lady, for if there is any one on God's earth who loves the ladies I believe it is myself. ( Immense applause and laughter.) This day is a day that is proud to me, having occupied the position that I did for the past twelve years, and been misunderstood by your race. This is the first opportunity I have had during that time to say that I am your friend. I am here a representative of the southern people, one more slandered and maligned than any man in the nation. I will say to you and to the colored race that men who bore arms and followed the flag of the Confederacy are, with very few exceptions, your friends. I have an opportunity of saying what I have always felt - that I am your friend, for my interests are your interests, and your interests are my interests. We were born on the same soil, breathe the same air, and live in the same land. Why, then, can we not live as brothers? I will say that when the war broke out I felt it my duty to stand by my people. When the time came I did the best I could, and I don't believe I flickered. I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe that I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to bring about peace. It has always been my motto to elevate every man- to depress none. (Applause.) I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms, and wherever you are capable of going. I have not said anything about politics today. I don't propose to say anything about politics. You have a right to elect whom you please; vote for the man you think best, and I think, when that is done, that you and I are freemen. Do as you consider right and honest in electing men for office. I did not come here to make you a long speech, although invited to do so by you. I am not much of a speaker, and my business prevented me from preparing myself. I came to meet you as friends, and welcome you to the white people. I want you to come nearer to us. When I can serve you I will do so. We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment. Use your best judgement in selecting men for office and vote as you think right. Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. I have been in the heat of battle when colored men, asked me to protect them. I have placed myself between them and the bullets of my men, and told them they should be kept unharmed. Go to work, be industrious, live honestly and act truly, and when you are oppressed I'll come to your relief. I thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for this opportunity you have afforded me to be with you, and to assure you that I am with you in heart and in hand." (Prolonged applause.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Bedford_Forrest




thucythucy

(8,069 posts)
8. And Adolph Eichmann told us at his trial
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 11:16 PM
Oct 2013

in Jerusalem that he had very friendly feelings toward Jews.

That the perpetrator of the Fort Pillow massacre considered himself "slandered and maligned" is laughable. And for someone who routinely sold black women as chattel (at least some of whom were no doubt raped and abused by their "masters&quot to crack a joke about how much he "loves the ladies" is downright creepy.

"It has always been my motto to elevate every man, to depress none."

Again, this from a man who made millions as a slave trader.

No apology, no contrition, not even an acknowledgement of his sordid past. Just a lot of self-serving blather.

Byrd, by contrast, owned up to his past racist associations, and apologized for them. He also, as far as I know, never made money buying and selling black people.

Sorry, but I just don't see Forrest as being worthy of praise. Considering his past, his evident lack of contrition, and the damage he did this country in lives lost and ruined, he makes Benedict Arnold look benign by comparison.

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
2. We have a whole county named after him in Miss.
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 10:01 AM
Oct 2013

I would support a change, but I'm sure it will never happen. It would be considerably easier to change the name of a high school, though. I hope they're successful.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
6. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were racists who owned hundreds of slaves.
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 12:15 PM
Oct 2013

Should schools be named after them?

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
9. They were founders of the United States
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 11:29 PM
Oct 2013

Washington won the War for Independence. Jefferson drafted the document upon which the United States was founded, and still continues to be a source of inspiration. Both men were active in drafting a Constitution which, while originally containing racist elements, also made provisions so that those racist elements could be abolished, which they have been in the ensuing years. And both men were presidents during the critical early years of the United States. So of course they deserve to honored in such ways.

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