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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat do you think Pakistan would do if we stopped doing their bombing for them?
I've got issues with our drone program but I think a lot of people are really ignoring the 900 pound gorilla of this: if we stop, Pakistan and Yemen go back into ground wars against huge parts of their own people.
There's no getting around the ugliness of what we're doing: we're doing corrupt and awful governments' bombings for them. Worse yet, in doing that we kill innocent people. But what we get from that, why we're doing it, is that if we stop we think that the governments are going to send in their armies again. We get to control the targeting and the tempo, and US officials honestly do think we are killing fewer people than would die in the alternative. I italicize that because I don't even see this argument jeered on DU, I simply don't see it brought up at all.
Maybe they wouldn't send in their militaries (Yemen almost certainly would, but Pakistan I'm iffy about). But if Pakistan doesn't, Waziristan goes back to how it was in 2000: how many people die then? Contrafactuals are hard, but that's the point: it's not an easy question. It wasn't easy in 2003 and it's not in 2013.
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)I thought they were only rubbing shoulders for the military aid...not because they liked the US or a damn thing the US is doing
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Waziristan is a big rough region shared by Pakistan and Afghanistan, and both governments claim militants from the other country are crossing the non-existent-except-on-paper border to wreak havoc. Baluchistan is similar with the added fun that it also extends into Iran, which also has no idea what to do with it.
The people of Pakistan as a whole are pretty much as clear as can be: they don't want either the US or the Pakistani government fighting inside Pakistan (with some exceptions, mostly people whose families were killed by the people we're blowing up). The government of Pakistan is more than happy for us to do it because they get the results (dead militants, meaning fewer attacks in Malakand or Saidu Sharif) and get to blame us for the consequences (dead civilians).
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)I think your premise is a real stretch (rationalization)? How about
we stay out rather than further damaging our image abroad?
Recursion
(56,582 posts)So I suppose after next year we really will see how much of the Pakistani drone program each side wants (both our government and Pakistan's claim it's the other's idea). If we're still bombing Pakistan, then that means Islamabad will have found some other inducement for us to keep doing it.
Yemen is different, because we really are explicitly doing that because the government was losing the civil war and we have an ongoing "slow" proxy war between Ethiopia and Somalia that we won't be getting out of any time soon that Yemen has a lot of influence on.
Rex
(65,616 posts)nt.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)That little transfer scheme will continue as long as they have the bomb and border India and China.