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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt's way past time to end the "War on Terror".
It's excessive. It's heavy handed. There's an excellent argument that it creates more terrorists than it kills. It's expensive. It diverts resources. It creates and stokes fear and division.
Unending wars are bad in a myriad of ways, not the least of which is that it becomes the norm. We grow accustomed to living in a perpetual state of war.
the steady march of the war on terror is has turned us into fearful sheep. It has whittled away civil liberties. It has put this countries police forces on steroids.
It's bad for us with regards to the rest of the world. it's bad for us within our borders.
Ending the war on terror doesn't mean ending vigilance.
It's time to call it a victory and move on.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)stop freezing assets of known terror groups or those funding them?
reduce security screening at airports?
stop using drones to target militant terrorists in other countries?
end ground war in Afghanistan?
what steps would you take to end it? And how to you forecast your efforts would effect global security from terrorist acts in 10 years?
cali
(114,904 posts)we froze the assets of terror groups before the onset of the WoT. You should know that.
No, we don't have to stop common sense screening at airports.
stop the use of signature strikes. Do you have any idea what those are?
Stop raids on suspected terrorists and militants in other countries.
Stop the abusive use of the NSA in our own country as well as in other countries- particularly allies.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)I don't think the "Just Leave the Terrorists Alone Act" will be passing Congress any time soon. Maybe the alternate title "It Was Wrong to Kill Bin Laden Act" would be more persuasive.
It's one thing to have stricter controls/rules to avoid civilian casualties. To adopt a policy of granting them safe havens across the globe is quite another.
cali
(114,904 posts)It's hardly the "Just leave the terrorists alone act", geek.
Our deploying troops in sovereign nations that we are not at war with is at least as much a liability as it is a benefit.
but then some of you think the U.S. has special dispensation to do what we wish when we wish and to hell with international law.
You believe in a repuke type of American exceptionalism. I don't.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Just like it was a travesty for us to grab Al Libi.
And it would be a big no-no to go after Al Shahab militants.
If they're in Waziristan, or Afghanistan, or Somalia, or tribal Yemen, or tribal areas of Libya, your rule would be just leave them be without any interference from us.
That's the pacifist stance on the issue. Sensibly rejected by the vast majority of Americans.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/147395/Americans-Back-Bin-Laden-Mission-Credit-Military-CIA.aspx
Approve: 93%
Disapprove: 5%
I await your attempt to oust rightwing exceptionalist militarist jingoist Bernie Sanders from office.
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/release-statement-on-osama-bin-laden
"The death of Osama bin Laden is a historic moment in our fight against international terrorism and his Al Qaeda organization.
"I applaud the extraordinary bravery of those American military personnel who participated in this highly-effective operation, the intelligence operation that made it possible and the leadership of President Obama. At this moment, we also must not forget the American men and women from Vermont and around the country whose service and sacrifice in the struggle to defend our country has made us safer."
"It is impossible to predict the future, but I hope the death of Osama bin Laden and the growth of democratic movements in the Muslim world marks a momentous turning point, which leads the region toward peace and prosperity and away from terrorism, death and destruction
Unless you're going to sit there and pretend that the bin laden killing wasn't a " raid on suspected terrorists and militants in other countries."
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)There should have never been a war in the first place.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)jazzimov
(1,456 posts)US citizens.
cali
(114,904 posts)and how does that justify this endless, stupid "war"?
BelgianMadCow
(5,379 posts)but that's just me, looking back to when it started.
The entire thing is far, far beyond reason. The things done in the name of the WoT, what they cost, what they are supposedly good for - it's all BS. If the goal is saving lives, there's a whole range of things that are much, much better value for money.
The goal of the WoT is unreachable, and definitely when the means used create blowback. Therefore, that's not its true goal. Can you say MIC?
cali
(114,904 posts)lots of believers in American exceptionalism.
BelgianMadCow
(5,379 posts)yes, they're here. But not like in a majority, by far, I'd guess.
But the exceptionalism, yep that is alive and well. It bothers me greatly to be honest, as a foreigner. The way in which for example torture or spying or droning policies are deemed OK as long as it's "not on Americans". The very idea that it's OK to go kill some civilians in a country you're not at war with because you have a beef with some people running around there...
How about another country kills some civilians in a drone strike that was targeting the teahadists, who clearly are terrorists by the very definition of the word? Hypothetical of course, I'd be against that. I once started a thread like that. Won't do that again very soon :-/
wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)k & r.