It's really a nice touch for making their claim - not having to actually be specific is ever so helpful.

I also like how they blame factory farms for tainted manure.....that they apparently still want to use. Otherwise factory farms would be a moot point, instead of where this organic group wants the regulations moved.

tainted manure from run off. That was clear from the article.

are directly "downstream" from a factory livestock operation. Otherwise, there's little reason to require the regulations they are calling for on all livestock farms.

Do you need me to point out that this is not at all the case?

Again, there's no reason for the organic industry to want to clean up industrial manure on all industrial farms unless they want that manure.

Putting organic and small family farms out of business is not just an unfortunate side effect. It seems to be a goal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture

Your source has an obvious agenda bias.

among family farmers.

http://www.cornucopia.org

I'll wait to share.

destroyed them.

"i'll wait before I say anything."

As stated, your sentence makes no sense. Please edit.

You are comparing basketballs to paper bags.

A propagandist just says it is so.

Seriously, the same people screamed about it being illegal to grow a garden for your own food just a few months ago and they were full of bullshit then, so why are they not full of bullshit now?

Thanks for the vacuous discourse.

People who make affirmative statements with nothing to back up their claims bore the shit out of me. You've not offered even one substantive rebuttal of substance to make it worthwhile to continue this discussion.

ergo, there can be no discussion with you.

Get back to me when you ahve a reliable source.

You can't. Thus the obfuscation.

People in WI bought raw milk for years before it was finally made 'legal'. Fine, I have my underground sources.

There are a number of pioneering figures active in American and world organic farming. If those people are organized into a standards making body and that body prevents corruption by corporate farming interest, then the situation become one of a battle between the FDA and the adhoc body, with consumers choosing which to believe. The purity standards from farm to user for true organic networks are outstanding, anyone that understand that will side with the adhoc body as long as it remains independent and pure.

I want to maintain the highest standards. I do not want to see the organic community go underground.

There was a proposed regulation from (scratching my head here, don't remember if it was during the Reign of Terror or Obama's first term) that was supposed to keep you from growing your own food...we all went into a period of gnashing of teeth until someone read the reg itself and found it exempted family gardens...I mean, it SPECIFICALLY exempted them in no uncertain terms. \

So yeah, until I see this bill I will take what this group says with a shovelful of salt.

allow untreated raw sewage sludge to be labelled "organic", they received one of the biggest uprisings ever in protest.

The FDA is not a friend to organic or any kind of food safety that messes with the corporate agenda.

Self-governance indeed.