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liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 10:40 PM Oct 2013

WA liquor control board coming after medical marijuana industry

Now that they have satisfied their lust for regulation on the recreational marijuana the state liquor board is considering regulating and taxing medical marijuana. I502 will only allow for a little over 300 recreational shops state wide and they are talking about making patients get their medicine from one of the 300 recreational shops approved by the state liquor board. There's talk of taxing medical marijuana. There's talk of limiting how much medicine patients can carry, and PATIENTS WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO GROW AT HOME. How many pharmaceuticals are taxed? Are there limits on how many pharmacies there can be? Is there a limit to how many grocery stores can sell liquor? How many patients do you think will adhere to these rules? I think very few. These people are going to screw up I502, screw medical patients, and drive people back to the black market.

http://www.medicaljane.com/2013/10/22/new-medical-marijuana-regulations-proposed-in-washington/

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WA liquor control board coming after medical marijuana industry (Original Post) liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 OP
What happened to "legalize it"? Can't take yes for an answer? Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #1
Remember, this is customerserviceguy Oct 2013 #7
They aren't flopping around any more solarhydrocan Oct 2013 #8
Oh, yes, it's a lifeboat customerserviceguy Oct 2013 #10
This is a thread about medicine. Snarking at the sick is sick. Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #25
My understanding is Washington residents with medical marijuana needs Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #30
one of the suppoters talking Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #27
Pharmaceuticals are heavily regulated jberryhill Oct 2013 #2
Yes they are, but the OP did not assert otherwise, now did it? Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #21
people think it's "fully legal" because that's what they've been told solarhydrocan Oct 2013 #3
I actually didn't support I502 because I was concerned that patients would be arrested for driving liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #5
the "take what you can get" theme... !!!! solarhydrocan Oct 2013 #9
We show the abuses customerserviceguy Oct 2013 #12
Those abuses in the flawed law will likely put people in jail. Patients will not abide by these laws liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #14
And the old law customerserviceguy Oct 2013 #19
Well then my neighbors to the North can sit and watch Colorado do it better. Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #22
lol. they will be. they are enjoying it right now. Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #32
I'll gladly admit Colorado is doing it better customerserviceguy Oct 2013 #34
that is hilarious. Colorado and Washington pass GROUNDBREAKING marijuana laws Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #18
Actually people are making specific criticisms of the Washington law, Colorado's law is not Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #23
Is the the civil posting style I'm supposed to model? Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #29
Well that may have been the mistake in writing the law davidpdx Oct 2013 #13
Tha measure failed specifically so we could watch, learn and skip the grief Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #24
That's what Nevada did last month Nevernose Oct 2013 #4
Give weed a chance NoOneMan Oct 2013 #6
I'm sure they are.. mustn't hurt their profits for Alcohol. Cha Oct 2013 #11
But of course, it's always the bottom line. lonestarnot Oct 2013 #15
This is about Medical marijuana patients Lifelong Dem Oct 2013 #16
oh, I have no doubt it's about money. Medical marijuana is not taxed right now in WA. liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #17
Rigid regulation is required to fend off the Feds. bemildred Oct 2013 #20
The decision to tax medicine is simply not progressive, only 9 or 10 States tax presciption Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #26
The Feds don't care. nt bemildred Oct 2013 #28
Seems funds going into state coffers is better than Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #31
Why don't they buy in lame54 Oct 2013 #33
 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
1. What happened to "legalize it"? Can't take yes for an answer?
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 10:44 PM
Oct 2013

This is what I mean about some people never being satisfied until 100% of their wishes are met with no compromise or cost to themselves.

Underlying most arguments about fully legalizing marijuana were the tax benefits to the states and some regulation about what product you are getting.

Let me break out my violin.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
7. Remember, this is
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 11:20 PM
Oct 2013

the Washington State Liquor Control Board anxiously flopping around for an excuse to continue their miserable existence since WA voters allowed hard liquor sales in grocery stores.

They probably feel the same way about homegrown pot as they did about bathtub gin.

solarhydrocan

(551 posts)
8. They aren't flopping around any more
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 11:25 PM
Oct 2013

they have a gold mine in their hands, a gift from the people of WA.

Might as well change their name to WA State Cannabis Control Board

The timing was interesting. Everyone knew that their major job was going to be eliminated. And the way the media lied about 502 every time they called it "Legalization".

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
10. Oh, yes, it's a lifeboat
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 11:32 PM
Oct 2013

that the voters threw them, but they're trying to pretend that it's a steamship. I sure hope the courts put them in their place.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
25. This is a thread about medicine. Snarking at the sick is sick.
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 09:28 AM
Oct 2013

I dare you and all readers to click this link and read the story at CNN and decide if your wee violin is appropriate on DU in such a context:
"Charlotte gets a dose of the cannabis oil twice a day in her food. Gedde found three to four milligrams of oil per pound of the girl's body weight stopped the seizures.

Today, Charlotte, 6, is thriving. Her seizures only happen two to three times per month, almost solely in her sleep. Not only is she walking, she can ride her bicycle. She feeds herself and is talking more and more each day.

"I literally see Charlotte's brain making connections that haven't been made in years," Matt said. "My thought now is, why were we the ones that had to go out and find this cure? This natural cure? How come a doctor didn't know about this? How come they didn't make me aware of this?"
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/07/health/charlotte-child-medical-marijuana/

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
30. My understanding is Washington residents with medical marijuana needs
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 10:04 AM
Oct 2013

Will be able to obtain it from state licensed dispensaries. So what's the issue?

Niceguy1

(2,467 posts)
27. one of the suppoters talking
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 09:50 AM
Oct 2013

Points os the tax revenue it would generate....now that it is here they don't like it.....some people are never happy

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
21. Yes they are, but the OP did not assert otherwise, now did it?
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 09:06 AM
Oct 2013

The OP spoke of pharmacies, which are locate all over the place including in places a person could not avoid them by simple choice, ie they are in grocery stores and big box stores and are located for convenience not control.

solarhydrocan

(551 posts)
3. people think it's "fully legal" because that's what they've been told
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 10:47 PM
Oct 2013

502 gave the entire cannabis industry to the WA LCB.

They will never let it go either.

Those that tried to debate and point out the major flaws in this decriminalization law were called all manner of things, none of them the least bit kind.

So WA gets what it deserves, because people couldn't or wouldn't pay attention.

Are they keeping the .5ng limit? Because most every medical user in the state would qualify for a DUID when they go to the "licensed" pot stores.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
5. I actually didn't support I502 because I was concerned that patients would be arrested for driving
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 10:48 PM
Oct 2013

even if they weren't impaired. I502 wasn't even suppose to address the medical marijuana issue. It was only suppose to address the recreational use. It sounds to me like the liquor board is acting outside of what the law gives them power to do. I'm sure there will be lawsuits. I agree with you that people got in too big of a hurry legalizing it. I502 should not have passed. I get so tired of hearing the "take what you can get" theme from democrats. We should not just be taking what we can get whether it is marijuana legalization, funding for our social safety nets, health care, education, wages, or many other important issues. We should be fighting for more.

solarhydrocan

(551 posts)
9. the "take what you can get" theme... !!!!
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 11:30 PM
Oct 2013

Extremely well said.

A little extra education and a few more years would probably have seen true legalization at least for adults.

Now it will be worse for those that need it the most. Yes we should be fighting for much much more. Great post.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
12. We show the abuses
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 11:35 PM
Oct 2013

and write a better law. The people of the state of Washington (where I lived for 37 years) usually almost always vote for the progressive side of most social legislation. It's the only state I know where citizens legalized hitchhiking at the ballot box, and they did that over 40 years ago.

"Take what you can get" got Washington progressively towards equal marriage in a few steps. The same thing can happen with pot.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
14. Those abuses in the flawed law will likely put people in jail. Patients will not abide by these laws
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 11:51 PM
Oct 2013

and will be put in jail. I502 is a bad law. We should have waited for a better law.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
19. And the old law
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 07:11 AM
Oct 2013

was putting people in jail, too. You know that old saying about letting the perfect be the enemy of the good? A few years of tightly controlled recreational pot (where the sky does not fall), and the progressive people of the state of Washington will be completely ready to vote for a better law, it just takes someone to write it and collect enough signatures.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
22. Well then my neighbors to the North can sit and watch Colorado do it better.
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 09:10 AM
Oct 2013

By the time Washington stops playing 'keep that status quo' games, the rest of the West Coast will be simply legal. They will be up there taking what they can get. Hope they enjoy it.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
34. I'll gladly admit Colorado is doing it better
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 09:37 PM
Oct 2013

But Washington is still better than New York on this subject. Here, we don't have the power of the initiative, in a state where you do, there's always the possibility of writing better laws, no matter how many lawmakers the status quo has bought and paid for.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
18. that is hilarious. Colorado and Washington pass GROUNDBREAKING marijuana laws
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 01:09 AM
Oct 2013

and you guys are saying "pish posh. this is merely a 'take what you can get' meme".

unreal.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
23. Actually people are making specific criticisms of the Washington law, Colorado's law is not
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 09:11 AM
Oct 2013

even mentioned, except by you. No one is saying 'pish posh' and no one is talking about Colorado. Creepy shit.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
13. Well that may have been the mistake in writing the law
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 11:46 PM
Oct 2013

It sounds like the liquor board is going to hold it hostage.

It should be regulated, taxes, and limits placed on it, but the way they are going about setting up the rules doesn't sound right.

There was a measure in Oregon which I voted against. A law that is carefully crafted with a commission to set up the rules, not just looking to push it into place two months after it passes would be something I'd support. I think it's very likely to pass in Oregon.

The thing about the Oregon measure going down is that now we can watch what happens in Colorado and Washington and hopefully learn something from how they did things.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
24. Tha measure failed specifically so we could watch, learn and skip the grief
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 09:13 AM
Oct 2013

When we pass one, it will be a good one. Other nations are also offering examples.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
4. That's what Nevada did last month
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 10:48 PM
Oct 2013

After ten years of having medical marijuana but Republican governors unwilling to manage dispensaries, some new laws were passed in June. However, the number of dispensaries is limited, and no one is allowed to grow their own if they live within 25 miles of a dispensary.

I suspect that the reason state regulators are so crazy about it is that they are largely old fogeys with outmoded ideas (no offense to the many perfectly reasonable fogeys, old or otherwise, who are my friends) and that they see a loss of power/control. It's probably also to keep the Feds in line, because they're just looking for an excuse to shut the experiment down before it begins.

It makes me wonder what the enforcement of growing one's own would be, or small sales without a license. Will small town sheriffs still be able to confiscate cars and homes because of a joint?

 

Lifelong Dem

(344 posts)
16. This is about Medical marijuana patients
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 11:57 PM
Oct 2013

And this is why they are doing this.

“officials have been concerned that Washington’s unregulated medical marijuana market could undercut the sale of fully taxed pot and invite a crackdown from federal prosecutors,”

http://www.medicaljane.com/2013/10/22/new-medical-marijuana-regulations-proposed-in-washington/

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
17. oh, I have no doubt it's about money. Medical marijuana is not taxed right now in WA.
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 11:59 PM
Oct 2013

My question is if medical marijuana is going to be taxed when are they going to start taxing pharmaceuticals? The answer. Never.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
26. The decision to tax medicine is simply not progressive, only 9 or 10 States tax presciption
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 09:31 AM
Oct 2013

drugs because taxing medication is morally wrong.

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