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Now that they have satisfied their lust for regulation on the recreational marijuana the state liquor board is considering regulating and taxing medical marijuana. I502 will only allow for a little over 300 recreational shops state wide and they are talking about making patients get their medicine from one of the 300 recreational shops approved by the state liquor board. There's talk of taxing medical marijuana. There's talk of limiting how much medicine patients can carry, and PATIENTS WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO GROW AT HOME. How many pharmaceuticals are taxed? Are there limits on how many pharmacies there can be? Is there a limit to how many grocery stores can sell liquor? How many patients do you think will adhere to these rules? I think very few. These people are going to screw up I502, screw medical patients, and drive people back to the black market.
http://www.medicaljane.com/2013/10/22/new-medical-marijuana-regulations-proposed-in-washington/
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)This is what I mean about some people never being satisfied until 100% of their wishes are met with no compromise or cost to themselves.
Underlying most arguments about fully legalizing marijuana were the tax benefits to the states and some regulation about what product you are getting.
Let me break out my violin.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)the Washington State Liquor Control Board anxiously flopping around for an excuse to continue their miserable existence since WA voters allowed hard liquor sales in grocery stores.
They probably feel the same way about homegrown pot as they did about bathtub gin.
solarhydrocan
(551 posts)they have a gold mine in their hands, a gift from the people of WA.
Might as well change their name to WA State Cannabis Control Board
The timing was interesting. Everyone knew that their major job was going to be eliminated. And the way the media lied about 502 every time they called it "Legalization".
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)that the voters threw them, but they're trying to pretend that it's a steamship. I sure hope the courts put them in their place.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)I dare you and all readers to click this link and read the story at CNN and decide if your wee violin is appropriate on DU in such a context:
"Charlotte gets a dose of the cannabis oil twice a day in her food. Gedde found three to four milligrams of oil per pound of the girl's body weight stopped the seizures.
Today, Charlotte, 6, is thriving. Her seizures only happen two to three times per month, almost solely in her sleep. Not only is she walking, she can ride her bicycle. She feeds herself and is talking more and more each day.
"I literally see Charlotte's brain making connections that haven't been made in years," Matt said. "My thought now is, why were we the ones that had to go out and find this cure? This natural cure? How come a doctor didn't know about this? How come they didn't make me aware of this?"
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/07/health/charlotte-child-medical-marijuana/
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Will be able to obtain it from state licensed dispensaries. So what's the issue?
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)Points os the tax revenue it would generate....now that it is here they don't like it.....some people are never happy
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)The OP spoke of pharmacies, which are locate all over the place including in places a person could not avoid them by simple choice, ie they are in grocery stores and big box stores and are located for convenience not control.
solarhydrocan
(551 posts)502 gave the entire cannabis industry to the WA LCB.
They will never let it go either.
Those that tried to debate and point out the major flaws in this decriminalization law were called all manner of things, none of them the least bit kind.
So WA gets what it deserves, because people couldn't or wouldn't pay attention.
Are they keeping the .5ng limit? Because most every medical user in the state would qualify for a DUID when they go to the "licensed" pot stores.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)even if they weren't impaired. I502 wasn't even suppose to address the medical marijuana issue. It was only suppose to address the recreational use. It sounds to me like the liquor board is acting outside of what the law gives them power to do. I'm sure there will be lawsuits. I agree with you that people got in too big of a hurry legalizing it. I502 should not have passed. I get so tired of hearing the "take what you can get" theme from democrats. We should not just be taking what we can get whether it is marijuana legalization, funding for our social safety nets, health care, education, wages, or many other important issues. We should be fighting for more.
solarhydrocan
(551 posts)Extremely well said.
A little extra education and a few more years would probably have seen true legalization at least for adults.
Now it will be worse for those that need it the most. Yes we should be fighting for much much more. Great post.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)and write a better law. The people of the state of Washington (where I lived for 37 years) usually almost always vote for the progressive side of most social legislation. It's the only state I know where citizens legalized hitchhiking at the ballot box, and they did that over 40 years ago.
"Take what you can get" got Washington progressively towards equal marriage in a few steps. The same thing can happen with pot.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)and will be put in jail. I502 is a bad law. We should have waited for a better law.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)was putting people in jail, too. You know that old saying about letting the perfect be the enemy of the good? A few years of tightly controlled recreational pot (where the sky does not fall), and the progressive people of the state of Washington will be completely ready to vote for a better law, it just takes someone to write it and collect enough signatures.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)By the time Washington stops playing 'keep that status quo' games, the rest of the West Coast will be simply legal. They will be up there taking what they can get. Hope they enjoy it.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)unlike Oregon where it's still illegal.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)But Washington is still better than New York on this subject. Here, we don't have the power of the initiative, in a state where you do, there's always the possibility of writing better laws, no matter how many lawmakers the status quo has bought and paid for.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)and you guys are saying "pish posh. this is merely a 'take what you can get' meme".
unreal.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)even mentioned, except by you. No one is saying 'pish posh' and no one is talking about Colorado. Creepy shit.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Always open to new approaches.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)It sounds like the liquor board is going to hold it hostage.
It should be regulated, taxes, and limits placed on it, but the way they are going about setting up the rules doesn't sound right.
There was a measure in Oregon which I voted against. A law that is carefully crafted with a commission to set up the rules, not just looking to push it into place two months after it passes would be something I'd support. I think it's very likely to pass in Oregon.
The thing about the Oregon measure going down is that now we can watch what happens in Colorado and Washington and hopefully learn something from how they did things.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)When we pass one, it will be a good one. Other nations are also offering examples.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)After ten years of having medical marijuana but Republican governors unwilling to manage dispensaries, some new laws were passed in June. However, the number of dispensaries is limited, and no one is allowed to grow their own if they live within 25 miles of a dispensary.
I suspect that the reason state regulators are so crazy about it is that they are largely old fogeys with outmoded ideas (no offense to the many perfectly reasonable fogeys, old or otherwise, who are my friends) and that they see a loss of power/control. It's probably also to keep the Feds in line, because they're just looking for an excuse to shut the experiment down before it begins.
It makes me wonder what the enforcement of growing one's own would be, or small sales without a license. Will small town sheriffs still be able to confiscate cars and homes because of a joint?
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)Erm, i just don't know man
Though the medical aspect does blow
Cha
(297,500 posts)thanks liberal at heart
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Lifelong Dem
(344 posts)And this is why they are doing this.
officials have been concerned that Washingtons unregulated medical marijuana market could undercut the sale of fully taxed pot and invite a crackdown from federal prosecutors,
http://www.medicaljane.com/2013/10/22/new-medical-marijuana-regulations-proposed-in-washington/
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)My question is if medical marijuana is going to be taxed when are they going to start taxing pharmaceuticals? The answer. Never.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)For now, it's the way to go.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)drugs because taxing medication is morally wrong.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Going to drug lords.