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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDemocratic Voters Need To Face Reality Too
Dem leaders are so much better than RepubliCON leaders, it's easy to assume that they're on our side.
But RepubliCON voters are not the only ones having trouble accepting reality. If Dem voters are going to protect "entitlements" and strengthen the middle class, we have to stand up to our leaders.
We have to say NO WAY when it comes to putting Social Security on the table and when it comes to the TPP - even when it's President Obama doing it.
We have to DEMAND that they deal with climate change and wealth distribution. (And many more things.)
It's really not enough just to elect Dems, though it's a way to keep us all busy. Giving Dems both houses of Congress and the WH won't change the way they serve corporations and the MIC first. (We saw that a few years ago.)
Dem voters have to accept reality too - and then hold our leaders accountable.
Tarheel_Dem
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polichick
(37,152 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Only 1% of DU does and you can see how well adjusted they are!
polichick
(37,152 posts)beerandjesus
(1,301 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,237 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)The philosophical shift of the DLC the late 80s and 90's resulted in the US having 2 political parties both to the right of center and both endorsing the notion that the business of government was promoting profits rather than the the promotion of national policies and practices that effect the advance of the collective welfare of all citizens.
polichick
(37,152 posts)the healthcare fight, but not so great that the WH sided with the blue dogs.
We have to stay clear on who they're really working for.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Triana
(22,666 posts)BluegrassStateBlues
(881 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)BluegrassStateBlues
(881 posts)as the only saviors of the party and of the people. People like that would never have the political capital to get anything done.
Sure, I may vote for them myself in the primaries... but once that's over... it is my DUTY and the duty of all Democrats to back the general election candidate with a 'D' next to their name.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)Blanks
(4,835 posts)I don't agree with calling it climate change, simply because that's not a solution it's a complaint. If we are going to ask our elected officials to solve problems, we have to define the solution.
The solution to climate change is investment in alternative energies and there is a social security problem - the solution is raise the cap. Asking to not 'put social security on the table' is not recognizing that there is an upcoming problem.
The TPP, if anyone thinks that they're solving the problem of factory jobs being sent off because of trade agreements needs to watch 'Modern Marvels' (on the History channel. Manufacturing jobs are disappearing because of automation not trade agreements.
The only fire that we need to hold our elected officials feet to - are tax increases on the wealthy, return to the anti-trust laws that were around in the post WWII era and push for alternative energies. I believe you are advocating for looking at symptoms and not the problems themselves.
I don't disagree with your assertion that we need to hold our representatives accountable, but I don't agree completely with your issues. It isn't that I believe that it makes you wrong - it illustrates how difficult its going to be to hold them accountable. We all have different 'pet' issues.
polichick
(37,152 posts)regarding all issues.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)I agree with you in concept, I just think we have to be careful what we are asking for (or insisting on), and the solution to the social security issue is to raise the cap. If we all insist on opposing the chained CPI proposal then we are advocating for the program eventually running out of money.
We can't realistically address climate change without some kind of plan. I drive, I expect most people here drive. What kind of plan do you have for taking all the cars off the road?
It isn't only the wealthy and corporations that contribute to climate change - it is built into our society. Do you want to eliminate school bussing? What are we asking for here - when it comes to climate change? What sacrifices are you willing to make?
polichick
(37,152 posts)There has to be a price for the choices we make.
But my concern re this thread is that many Dem leaders don't even begin to create a plan - don't even WANT to have a meaningful plan - because their constituents are really not the people.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)Taxes aren't high enough on the wealthiest.
There are companies and individuals that receive huge returns on their investment (of congress in their back pocket) by persuading those representatives to spend on things that they benefit from.
All of our problems are because we don't tax the high earners enough.
When you look at the periods in history when we had the greatest economic expansion - they coincide with higher taxes on high earners. I don't believe that's a coincidence.
As far as taxes on possessions: no. Certain possessions are legitimate business expenses (vehicles for example) and shouldn't be taxed at all. There's no good reason to tax people because they're buying things necessary to conduct business (even houses to some extent). It is the practice of earning excessive money by squeezing it out of less fortunate people and then hiding that money in places where it doesn't circulate within the economy that must be stopped.
Raising the top marginal tax rate to 91% like it was in the 1950's is the way to do that.
pansypoo53219
(20,987 posts)SS is an EASY FUCKING FIX. INDEX THE GODDAM CAP.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)Silent3
(15,254 posts)Real-life outcomes are more important to me than "cherish(ing) sweetest reflection".
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Or, is being loyal to a party a principle?
"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." --Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789.
Silent3
(15,254 posts)Congratulating myself on my "principles" by either not voting or voting for an obscure candidate with practically zero chance of winning is not worth boosting the chance of practically any Republican beating practically any Democrat.
When I think of how a few hundred votes could have spared us eight years of Bush, and the hideous price of those eight years in lives lost, trillions wasted, increased wealth disparity -- there's no way any "message" people voting for Nader was worth that price, no clear message was received by Democrats to go more left rather than more right by those Nader votes, and even though we got Obama in 2008, the 2010 election showed that the public and the candidates had still learned very little of lasting impact from eight years of Bush.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)The obvious answer for the party is to move to the left to capture the votes of the left. If the Democrats didn't receive that message who's to fault? The voters or the Democrats?
Silent3
(15,254 posts)Results matter more than placing blame. I'd rather have a mediocre Democrat than a bad Republican and a smug feeling he/she isn't my fault.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)We deserve better.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)food stamps, raising the age on SS, and not giving cost of living increases for SS are good outcomes? The democrats are hurting poor people and the middle class is disappearing. Either they stand up for us or there will be an increasing number of people who will not stand up for them at election time.
Silent3
(15,254 posts)...is due Republican obstructionism, not lackluster Democrats, it's due to low Democratic voter turnout in 2010 (where if a few less-than-inspired Democratic voters could have saved all of us a lot of pain by making beating the Republicans more important to their motivation than expressing their lack of enthusiasm for the available Democrats), not to mention the legacy of Bush, which could have been avoided in 2000 with just a few hundred more votes here and there, no doubt many of which didn't turn out for Gore because he just wasn't "good enough" to "earn" the votes of a few Democrats more concerned about feeling good about themselves for not compromising rather than the good of the general public.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)wages. If a democratic candidate comes along that will join me in that fight I will vote for them. If not, I will not vote for them.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)The (D) brand is never wrong so we do not need to hold anyone accountable.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)We have to reverse the thirty years of Reaganomics that is crushing this country.
polichick
(37,152 posts)I'd only work for a candidate who would absolutely put people and the planet ahead of corporations.
Unfortunately, most Dem leaders are complicit in perpetuating Reaganomics.