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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 06:09 PM Oct 2013

Interesting how these NSA stories are breaking while Kerry is in Europe and GOP numbers are tanking

Note the timing:


Secretary Kerry Travel to Europe

Secretary of State John Kerry will travel to Paris, London, and Rome on October 21-24.

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2013/10/215585.htm


NSA France: U.S. Conducted Large-Scale Spying On French Citizens: Report
10/21/13 05:55 AM ET EDT

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/21/nsa-france-spying-report_n_4134690.html



NSA accused of spying on Merkel's phone

Published: 23 Oct 2013 19:42 CET
http://www.thelocal.de/article.php?ID=52547&static=1


The timing of these two NSA revelations, which have been denied by the US government, are coinciding exactly with Kerry's trip to Europe. The media knows what it's doing.

It's interesting how these stories are coming out while the GOP's numbers are in the tank.

The GOP suffers great damage from the shutdown and the NSA story is suddenly revived by the media. It's also interesting how the media is beating the "fire Sebelius" horse immediately after the GOP calls on Obama to fire Sebelius.
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Interesting how these NSA stories are breaking while Kerry is in Europe and GOP numbers are tanking (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 OP
Suspicious indeed. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #1
Yup Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #4
Hammer: Meet nail RobertEarl Oct 2013 #2
The media's goal is to try and make everything an Obama scandal Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #6
This is no faux RobertEarl Oct 2013 #7
Of course spying is happening Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #8
oh my word. so no spying stories should ever be reported cali Oct 2013 #12
I never said no spying stories should ever be reported. n/t Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #16
Just this one? AgingAmerican Oct 2013 #45
The fact that every top news story isn't about how completely JaneyVee Oct 2013 #3
Exactly Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #5
right. because there's no other news in the world at all. cali Oct 2013 #10
Plenty of time for that. After the top story. JaneyVee Oct 2013 #25
one of the silliest, dumbest conspiracy theories evah. cali Oct 2013 #9
Not Merkel... Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #11
insane. cali Oct 2013 #15
I know. n/t Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #18
Stop bad-mouthing the Libertarian Way! randome Oct 2013 #13
Libertarians want to preserve our freedo...wait, Jamaal510 Oct 2013 #32
The Presidents of France and Germany are colluding with Ted Cruz, the teabaggers and the MSM cali Oct 2013 #14
The leaders of France and Germany didn't release these stories. The media did. n/t Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #17
right. because the media shouldn't report the FUCKING NEWS cali Oct 2013 #19
I never said the media shouldn't report news. n/t Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #20
Just THIS news! AgingAmerican Oct 2013 #46
The French media. The German media. muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #23
Do you have any evidence that they delayed release of these stories? JVS Oct 2013 #55
bu$h moles... spanone Oct 2013 #22
You forgot the sarcasm tag. cui bono Oct 2013 #24
Doesn't quite rise to the level of theory Fumesucker Oct 2013 #26
Do you think it's coincidence... Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #27
If the White House had denied ever spying on Merkel, then I would buy your conspiracy theory Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #28
I suspect there's more evidence that the Feds were involved with the nationwide OWS beatdown Fumesucker Oct 2013 #29
Did the White House deny having spied on Merkel? nt Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #30
The White House fully denied it. nt BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #38
No, they did not deny having spied on Merkel Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #49
They denied being aware of it. JVS Oct 2013 #56
QUICK!!!----LOOK OVER THERE!!!! madrchsod Oct 2013 #31
Things that make you go hmmmmm treestar Oct 2013 #33
Since the re-election the repugs have deployed . . . brush Oct 2013 #34
Really. So you think the NSA is some fake scandal that the GOP dreamed up? cui bono Oct 2013 #35
I think the NSA is a scandal/time bomb that was left by the Bush Administration to blow up now Hekate Oct 2013 #36
Well, Obama could have stopped it but instead he expanded it and pushed to make what was illegal cui bono Oct 2013 #37
Maybe he wants to use what little political capital he has for more pressing issues. nt BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #39
What? He pushed for expanding and legalizing the illegal wiretapping. cui bono Oct 2013 #41
What illegal wiretapping are you talking about? randome Oct 2013 #50
The warrantless illegal wiretapping that Bush did. n/t cui bono Oct 2013 #54
Jaysus AgingAmerican Oct 2013 #47
NSA is real brush Oct 2013 #43
Glad to hear you say that. n/t cui bono Oct 2013 #44
I think it has more to do with Snowden than the Repubs. Snowden has been doing this all along. If okaawhatever Oct 2013 #40
How has he hurt the US and what proof do you have of his motives? n/t cui bono Oct 2013 #42
Standard media operations really... Lancero Oct 2013 #48
I think you or perhaps the press.. sendero Oct 2013 #51
You can post the most ridiculous conspiracy theories in GD... Democracyinkind Oct 2013 #52
I think that the NSA revelations have been well-timed. Laelth Oct 2013 #53
Indeed. n/t Scurrilous Oct 2013 #57
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
2. Hammer: Meet nail
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 06:12 PM
Oct 2013

Shows how smart the Truth tellers are.

They know the Foxnewsers will forget about all this in ten-seconds, so hitting it hard while the nail is sticking up is very wise.

We should all bow to their Truth telling.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
6. The media's goal is to try and make everything an Obama scandal
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 06:37 PM
Oct 2013

Benghazi? Scandal!
IRS? Scandal!
NSA? Scandal!
ACA Website? Scandal!

I've actually lost track of all the faux scandals. I'm sure there were more.

The media says jump and the enablers say, "how high?"

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
12. oh my word. so no spying stories should ever be reported
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 07:01 PM
Oct 2013

in your little world because spying has been around for centuries.

so has murder. No more reporting on that either.

Just fuck.

see my tag line. apply generously to your post.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
3. The fact that every top news story isn't about how completely
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 06:12 PM
Oct 2013

Batshit INSANE the Republican Party is is proof how in the tank for republicans the media is.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
5. Exactly
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 06:28 PM
Oct 2013

The GOP nearly crashed the world economy and the media's reaction is to attack the Obama Administration.

This is where we are.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
9. one of the silliest, dumbest conspiracy theories evah.
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 06:59 PM
Oct 2013

yes, yes, Merkel is on it.

bwahahahahaha

:rolf:

you won't be, but you should be embarrassed posting this junk.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
11. Not Merkel...
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 07:00 PM
Oct 2013

the media is releasing these stories as Kerry is in Europe.

Merkel is just reacting.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
13. Stop bad-mouthing the Libertarian Way!
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 07:02 PM
Oct 2013

All they care about is our Constitu...no, wait. They just want to protect us from...no, not that either.

You're right. It sure is a coincidence.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
32. Libertarians want to preserve our freedo...wait,
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 10:47 PM
Oct 2013

Rand Paul said he supports voter ID laws and is anti-choice.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
14. The Presidents of France and Germany are colluding with Ted Cruz, the teabaggers and the MSM
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 07:03 PM
Oct 2013

yeah, that's the ticket.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
19. right. because the media shouldn't report the FUCKING NEWS
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 07:12 PM
Oct 2013

and this is news.

You object to any news that you think reflects poorly on President Obama.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,347 posts)
21. The French media. The German media.
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 07:24 PM
Oct 2013

"NSA swept millions of French Phone Records - Le Monde"

German Chancellor Angela Merkel phoned United States President Barack Obama on Wednesday to discuss suspicions that she may have been targeted by US intelligence agencies for years, SPIEGEL has learned.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/merkel-calls-obama-over-suspicions-us-tapped-her-mobile-phone-a-929642.html


Of course, if your fantasies are that Le Monde and Der Spiegel are timing their news stories to help support the Republican party, there's probably nothing we can do to snap you out of it.

Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #21)

 

Shampoyeto

(110 posts)
28. If the White House had denied ever spying on Merkel, then I would buy your conspiracy theory
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 08:48 PM
Oct 2013

But they won't even deny it. In this OP, you didn't even attempt to explain why you think the NSA/Merkel news is bogus.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
29. I suspect there's more evidence that the Feds were involved with the nationwide OWS beatdown
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 08:50 PM
Oct 2013

And we all know that's wild eyed conspiracy mongering.

Right?

 

Shampoyeto

(110 posts)
49. No, they did not deny having spied on Merkel
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 07:10 AM
Oct 2013

The white house denied presently spying on her. Wether they stopped spying on her after doing it for years was not denied.

JVS

(61,935 posts)
56. They denied being aware of it.
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 03:05 PM
Oct 2013

We'll see if the Germans buy that though. They're familiar with this kind of issue and know that phones don't just get tapped for no reason at all.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
31. QUICK!!!----LOOK OVER THERE!!!!
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 09:08 PM
Oct 2013

the american press is nothing more than good old practitioners of yellow journalism.

AJ America is a breath of fresh when compared to the stench of our putrid media

brush

(53,815 posts)
34. Since the re-election the repugs have deployed . . .
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 11:07 PM
Oct 2013

their scandal-of-the-month strategy beginning with the endless Benghazi clamoring, the AP/Justice Department, the Fast and Furious gin-up, the NSA/Snowden affair, the IRS fabrication and now the NSA flare up again, they intend to keep things stirred up so nothing can get done. It's all part of their obstructionist plan, and this latest stuff is designed to get the public's eye off their huge shutdown failure.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
35. Really. So you think the NSA is some fake scandal that the GOP dreamed up?
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 12:52 AM
Oct 2013

Good lord.

So then Snowden is working with the R's and the media against Obama? And Le Monde and Der Spiegel are in on it too?

Hekate

(90,768 posts)
36. I think the NSA is a scandal/time bomb that was left by the Bush Administration to blow up now
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 01:17 AM
Oct 2013

It should be reported as such, rather than making it seem as though Obama and his appointees invented it and now run it from the Oval Office and the Situation Room.

Whatever fault may lie with the current presidential administration, we are ill-served by pretending that it originated with them. Assign blame proportionately and I for one will listen with rapt fascination as the stinking legacy of Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld is opened wide. Blame it all on the Obama Administration and I will walk away.

Note that nowhere in these short paragraphs have I said that the Obama Admin is pure and without error.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
37. Well, Obama could have stopped it but instead he expanded it and pushed to make what was illegal
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 01:44 AM
Oct 2013

legal, but arguably unconstitutional. Obama is hardly innocent in this.

The person I responded to was lumping in NSA with Benghazi and calling it a fake scandal. That's just ridiculous. Which is why I asked them about the complicity of others in the NSA debacle.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
41. What? He pushed for expanding and legalizing the illegal wiretapping.
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 02:00 AM
Oct 2013

How is that saving political capital?

And anyway, as I already explained once, my reply was about the other poster trying to lump in NSA spying on Americans, which actually is happening, with Benghazi, a Republican's fake scandal.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
50. What illegal wiretapping are you talking about?
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 07:18 AM
Oct 2013

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
40. I think it has more to do with Snowden than the Repubs. Snowden has been doing this all along. If
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 01:56 AM
Oct 2013

anyone believes his main goal isn't to hurt the United States in world affairs, look at the timing of every piece. Shortly after he was denied asylum in Brazil, (Glenn Greenwald's current home) a piece came out about Brazil. When Obama finally had enough proof to call out China on spying on the US this whole affair comes out. The idea that China and or Russia isn't pulling some strings here seems very unlikely. Especially since all the other countries he's revealed are US Allies like Canada, UK & Australia. There is almost no way he didn't have info on N Korea, Russia and China the three biggest offenders.

Lancero

(3,011 posts)
48. Standard media operations really...
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 03:30 AM
Oct 2013

The shutdown showdown is (for now) essentially over, minus a couple of sideshows, so they are now looking for a new main event.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
51. I think you or perhaps the press..
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 07:27 AM
Oct 2013

.... is way off. Most Americans could give a rat's ass about overseas spying. And trust me, our "allies" don't need our lamestream press to tell them what is going on, they have known since the Snowden leak.

Big yawn.

Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
52. You can post the most ridiculous conspiracy theories in GD...
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 07:41 AM
Oct 2013

As long as they are pro-Obama. If you'd change the focus of the conspiracy theory presented in this thread you'd have at least 7 people screaming about how this belongs in CS.

I find this double standard interesting.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
53. I think that the NSA revelations have been well-timed.
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 08:41 AM
Oct 2013

In fact, I think they have been well-timed to minimize damage to the Democratic Party. It's not like the Europeans want to see Republicans running the show over here. They don't.

But the truth was going to come out eventually, and it appears to me that somebody has timed these releases quite nicely. I have no clue who set this schedule. Assange, perhaps, in consultation with Snowden and with the cooperation of a few key journalists? No clue, but the present dust-up with Merkel could not have come at a better time, imho.



-Laelth

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