it is funding more health care providers, and its success would gain valuable political support. Currently the states implementing their own ACA exchanges are having a much more positive experience than the states who didn't.

Single payer will come one liberal state at a time.

I was really just kidding.

"the ACA encourages individual states to experiment with single-payer universal health care. States can apply for an innovation "waiver" and start implementing their own plans starting in 2017"

Single Payer: Alive and Still Remarkably Well
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/linda-bergthold/single-payer---alive-and_b_3938385.html

reading DU on a 50 inch screen at 1080p it is hard to differentiate the smileys.

Tough shit, Republican detractors.

is rooting for Obamacare to fail and it's so fucking obvious that it's sickening.

In other words, they are obviously rooting for the site to succeed because they themselves need to use it.

No need to monitor the implementation of the ACA as any sort of incursion into political affairs. Better to just sweep it under the rug.

seem to be saying!

Not kept out of the media spotlight.

everything that CAN be done is being done....

And if you think it is out of the media spotlight...you need to get out into the sunshine yourself.

Without shining a light on the issue?

I'm being told we need to take it out of the media. That is without question total BS.

I have seen what happens...I know what occurs in response...

they are programmers not magic genies.

You have a link?

I have heard that Kentucky is up to 1000 a day alone....

I've no illusions that the website doesn't have issues, I want to see problems presented with ACA.

Law is Law.

PPACA is LAW.

2 weeks ago!

Your cheering for the failure is duly noted....

I'm not cheering for the failure of a program that I myself need to use.

a few days ago it was reported that 500,000 signed up......that continues to grow every day...Kentucky is signing up 1000 a day alone....

The numbers in the coming weeks will continue to grow


Oh and I forgot to tell you....even if you don't sign up by Dec.15th....If I am not mistaken, you can still sign up until March 31st. You only have to sign up on Dec. 15th to have the policy take effect Jan. 1. I could be wrong about that....but I think I am not.


So I have a prediction coming in.....

I predict very soon someone is going to have a sad...poor "griefers".

because it doesn't make Democrats look great. Then you accuse me of trolling and now you are continuously accusing me of wanting the ACA to fail.

Is this a decent summary of your statements in this thread?

There are many more desperate for its success, and many of the critics of the problems with the websites are ardent supporters of ACA.

I think taking a page from Lincoln would be a good plan here.

"There are many more desperate for its success, and many of the critics of the problems with the websites are ardent supporters of ACA. "

...people can also apply by phone, by mail or in person. Regardless of which method is used, the benefits don't kick in until January 1, and the deadline to get benefits on that date is still seven weeks out.

The problem is some people seem to be using the glitches to denounce the law, discourage people from going to the site, and to declare the Obama Presidency over. (LOL!)

Some of the reports are blatantly false. People desperately want coverage as the volume of traffic indicates. Still, it's rather despicable that people would use the problems to spread misinformation.

These problems need to be fixed NOW. Not in the next few weeks but NOW. Otherwise, we will very likely have millions of Americans surpassing the deadline to sign up in order to have coverage on January 1st. And that is going to be a serious problem.

"7 weeks is not very far away. Consider the sheer number of people who need to sign up.
These problems need to be fixed NOW. Not in the next few weeks but NOW. Otherwise, we will very likely have millions of Americans surpassing the deadline to sign up in order to have coverage on January 1st. And that is going to be a serious problem."

...the "serious problem" you're perceiving?

The open enrollment is through March 31, and the administration likely didn't project that everyone who needs health coverage was going to sign up by December 15.

People are signing up at healthcare.gov and also at state exchanges across the country.

Obamacare off to great start in Kentucky, Washington, Oregon
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023902058

As soon as possible?

Everyone raise their hand who feels like being uninsured for a few extra months...

"The open enrollment is through March 31, and the administration likely didn't project that everyone who needs health coverage was going to sign up by December 15."

Okay, why not? Why didn't they accommodate for the possibility that no one wants to voluntarily go 1 or 2 or 3 extra months without insurance?

"Okay, why not? Why didn't they accommodate for the possibility that no one wants to voluntarily go 1 or 2 or 3 extra months without insurance? "

...how projections work, and I'm still not seeing the "serious problem."

There are likely millions of people who need coverage that have yet to visit the site.

We can't even seem to accommodate those who are attempting to get insurance now. Those are the people who should have been projected to want insurance on the 1st of January. And we can't even accommodate them.

That's a serious problem not the least of which for those who will be forced to be uninsured for yet another month or two months or three or four. That's a serious problem.

the enrollment period gets extended...

after the 1st of the year that I don't have health insurance?

Nobody gets anything until then...

Is that what you're saying? Or do you want to tell me more proverbs on patience?

No one on earth expected everyone needing insurance to sign up the first day, week or month. Some people will still be signing up in March.

This is not a matter of those who are waiting until next March. It's a matter of dealing with those who want to be fully insured by the 1st of the year.

And you see no problem with that?

You're stuck trying to argue about what's happening today based on yesterday, and speculating that the situation isn't going to change in seven weeks. It has changed since last week and yesterday.

People will sign up. Some will sign up after the deadline, and gain access accordingly.

Tell me how that relates to a system you think is vastly better than it was at the beginning.

"Explain to me why my identity still hasn't been verified properly after 3 weeks."

...if that fails try the in person or mail approach.

Despite that, people are still signing up with success. The problems are being addressed, and that still doesn't change the points I made.

The deadline is seven weeks out, and it's likely the success rates will increase along with the number of people rushing to sign up.

If this was an exam or a class, what grade would you expect if you only got 10 out of 100 questions right?

We have to resort to mailing in forms? What year is this again?

Prove it.

all throw our hands up on the 1st? Sorry, guys. Or even a month or two more, gasp, not covered?

We need to step back and take a deep breath. This is not the end of the world as we know it. In fact, the big surprise is that we are the last civilized nation to finally get national healthcare.

There is a difference between a website and national health care for generations to come. Really.

the beginning date signalling the end of the signups that I was responding to.

As if being uninsured for the last so many years wasn't shitty enough.

politics. I spent most of my first 21 years uninsured until I got through college and then a few more years when I was self-employed. And a time or two had a short stay in a County Hospital and a couple of trips to a clinic.

I may be wrong, but likely the old rules will still pertain until the new takes effect. I'd be grateful that PBO cared enough to take substantial political cannon fire and put his legacy on the line for the uninsured, underinsured, etc.

Just me, though.

As we already know, the system is only actually successful for about 10% of those who attempt to sign up. That's not a good figure.

7 weeks...plus probably 6 more...13 weeks

That is the nightmare scenario, and the time frame to avoid that is growing short.

Talk about a big FUCK YOU to everyone experiencing real problems signing up.

The fact that we are now denouncing people who want the law to succeed and are trying to comply with it is rather astounding.

I think the public pressure is GOOD. For whatever reason, the implementation to this point has not been treated as a priority, and now public pressure is forcing it to be. For supporters of this law, that's a GOOD THING. The panic button should have been hit months ago, but damn, better late than never.

Good things come for those who wait...my grandmother used to say....

Yeah, us being patient is actually us not starting violent chaos in the streets. Beyond that, I don't care at all what about your grandmother's proverbs.

If you could click your heels and be registered this minute..it wouldn't change that fact....you would be "waiting" anyways...

My argument is we are going to have a serious problem when we pass the 15th of December and there are still millions of Americans who were unable to sign up before then. Thus, they will not be insured on the 1st due to the inability of the system to sign them up on time.

You have no idea what is going to happen between then and now....

As a philosophy.

Philosophy is philosophy....

I am a programmer not a philosopher...

You clearly cannot be involved with any sort of scientific endeavor because any experiment or study would be useless in making future predictions.

the past isn't always a predictor of the future...as you were trying to twist that pretzel....

Per your own words, you do not believe the past predicts the future. I'm not twisting your words. Those are your words.

and absolutely it does not always...

Some because of their politics will hesitate...they will join later...


And why don't you get it....they are talking about an extension....sheesh! Get a grip. I am in the technology industry...ALOT can change between now and then...

That is a 90% failure rate. And I question the motives of anyone who wants to keep that out of the media spotlight.

No one is "keeping it out of the spotlight"......

I'm not a troll and you should be castigated for making such an absurd claim.

this is my "prediction"...

Well, not this person, anyway.

Or did you respond to the wrong OP?

The more successful it is, the more the haters will try to sabotage it.

Perseverance is the key.

if you don't need a subsidy, it's a perfectly acceptable alternative that will get you ACA compliant plans.

If you do need a subsidy, phone and mail can get you there, just as they have worked for everything in this world before websites existed.