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octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 07:07 AM Oct 2013

The FDA has No Idea Why Jerky Treats Are Killing Hundreds of Dogs

Federal animal health officials announced Tuesday that Chinese jerky treats have caused a mysterious illness outbreak in more than 3,600 dogs (and ten cats) and the death of about 600 pets.

About 500 dogs and nine cats died from the Chinese treats as of January.

But in spite of running more than 1,000 tests and visiting multiple manufacturers, the FDA still isn’t sure what it is in the chicken, duck, and sweet potato jerky that is making the animals sick. “To date, testing for contaminants in jerky treats has not revealed a cause for the illnesses,” said deputy director for the FDA’s Center for Veterinary Medicine Martine Hartogensis.



Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/10/23/the-fda-has-no-idea-why-jerky-treats-are-killing-hundreds-of-dogs/#ixzz2idWrV2U8

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The FDA has No Idea Why Jerky Treats Are Killing Hundreds of Dogs (Original Post) octoberlib Oct 2013 OP
Just stop importing the damn things darkangel218 Oct 2013 #1
my corgi loves green beans and they fill him up leftyohiolib Oct 2013 #3
My dog and cat would prefer a slice of turkey any day.nt octoberlib Oct 2013 #5
They are luckykate54 Oct 2013 #11
I'm glad the pet food I buy is not made with OwnedByCats Oct 2013 #2
600 pets is probably a gross underestimate. hollysmom Oct 2013 #4
Been hearing aabout this for days-- why no recall? TreasonousBastard Oct 2013 #7
There was a recall a few months back RockaFowler Oct 2013 #22
One company did a voluntary recall, but no mandatory recalls... TreasonousBastard Oct 2013 #23
Oh, I'm sure it's an underestimate. I don't octoberlib Oct 2013 #8
I stopped feeding my dog those treats LWolf Oct 2013 #6
That's when I stopped buying them get the red out Oct 2013 #9
Make your own treats newfie11 Oct 2013 #10
Been feeding jerky treats to my dogs for all their lives. MindPilot Oct 2013 #12
numerous articles have mentioned renal failure. magical thyme Oct 2013 #14
I used to feed duck and chicken jerky treats to my Rottweilers with no ill effects. RebelOne Oct 2013 #19
I don't understand why people continue to buy them. magical thyme Oct 2013 #13
My dogs also like Beef Broth Ice Cubes for snacks ... and cooked sweet potato in their Kong. Myrina Oct 2013 #15
your ideas are good too! thanks!!! magical thyme Oct 2013 #16
So tell me how and where do I buy human-grade duck RebelOne Oct 2013 #20
I don't eat duck, so can't say. I would say your pup is even more spoiled than mine, though... magical thyme Oct 2013 #30
You can feed dogs raw chicken, bones and all for meals. I think necks and backs are preferable. cui bono Oct 2013 #25
I assume they've already checked for melamine. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #17
I'm guessing it's not any of the normal, expected toxins to test for... magical thyme Oct 2013 #31
We had a cat die that I beleive to this day was from Chinese cat food. SamYeager Oct 2013 #18
Best investment I've ever made Oilwellian Oct 2013 #21
Here's one for $35 Aerows Oct 2013 #35
Well if they would start doing some autopsies B2G Oct 2013 #24
Yeah. But how are they not finding anything in the jerky? cui bono Oct 2013 #26
No clue. But autopsies would help a lot. B2G Oct 2013 #29
they have done necropsies; they know something is damaging the kidneys to cause renal failure magical thyme Oct 2013 #32
Okay, I believe that they have to know what they are testing for when they do this. cui bono Oct 2013 #27
that is it exactly...tests have been developed for all kinds of known allergens and all kinds of magical thyme Oct 2013 #33
Most dog treats are junk food KurtNYC Oct 2013 #28
I recognized the name of the store at the link magical thyme Oct 2013 #34
 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
1. Just stop importing the damn things
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 07:17 AM
Oct 2013

Ans pet owners, stop "treating" your pets with processed, poisonous foods.

Its not rocket science!! Give them a piece of meat that you eat, or some vegetable they like.

Screw pet market crap!!!!!

luckykate54

(50 posts)
11. They are
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 02:00 PM
Oct 2013

In January the companies voluntarily took them off the shelves. However in December Walmart had crates and crates in the center aisles for sale. I think they dumped them then first. My puppy became quite ill with the treats. I cost me $1600.00 in vet bills. The company took my complaint and all vet records. Then informed me that my dog ate a oleander leaf. I know I won't be reimbursed for my bills. Luckily my dog survived. What I am doing is not buying any of their products. I went on Bing and found out all of their different businesses and products. Since just alone for two dogs I spent about 28.00 a month for kibble. I used to use a lot of their stuff. It will take awhile but I won't support Nestle Purina ever, evah!!

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
4. 600 pets is probably a gross underestimate.
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 07:49 AM
Oct 2013

I have friends that just spent hundreds on their dog and the vet could not solve the problem. Turns out she liked jerky treats a lot. They symptoms were weird, the vet had no idea what the problem was, so the dog dies. They never thought of the treats until I mentioned it to them. I think over the years a lot of pets died unreported.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
23. One company did a voluntary recall, but no mandatory recalls...
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 04:33 PM
Oct 2013

even though the suspicions go back 5 years or so. I understand why they don't order recalls on "suspicions" and that a lot of this stuff is no-name and found in dollar stores, but it still boggles the mind.

Of course it's killing you-- I've had dogs and gnawing on that stuff is their favorite thing. I hope that if the stuff is still on the shelves at least the vets out there got the word by now.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
8. Oh, I'm sure it's an underestimate. I don't
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 08:14 AM
Oct 2013

understand how we can accept food imports from other countries that don't have the same regulations we do. Your poor friends. How awful to go through that.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
6. I stopped feeding my dog those treats
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 08:09 AM
Oct 2013

a couple of years ago. She wasn't sick, but I finally read the package; I'd been assuming that the little U.S. flag on the bag meant that they were made in America. Further reading of fine print showed me that they were made in China. I was pissed at the duplicitous packaging, so I quit buying them.

Now I'm grateful for that packaging; my dog is still healthy.

get the red out

(13,466 posts)
9. That's when I stopped buying them
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 08:27 AM
Oct 2013

My dog loved those sweet potato treats, I am so glad I heard rumblings about making sure to not buy any dog food products made in China! My girl is happier getting bites of chicken dogs and cheese for training treats anyway.

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
10. Make your own treats
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 09:10 AM
Oct 2013

Out of food you eat.
I use string cheese and in the past I made liver treats for our dogs in the show ring.
My dogs get no food manufactured outside this house except String cheese.

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
12. Been feeding jerky treats to my dogs for all their lives.
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 02:36 PM
Oct 2013

No problems at all. OTOH these are big dogs with digestive systems perfectly capable of passing anything from shredded aluminum and printed circuit boards to packing peanuts and plastic bags.

The article doesn't say much about symptoms or what the actual cause of death is, just that the FDA can't find a contaminant.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
19. I used to feed duck and chicken jerky treats to my Rottweilers with no ill effects.
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 03:02 PM
Oct 2013

They are both in doggy heaven now, but their deaths were not due to eating jerky treats. One was 12 years old when she passed, but she had an immune blood disorder. The other one was 13 years old and she died of liver and bone cancer.

I have been giving my Chihuahua duck jerky treats ever since she was a puppy, and she is 4 years old now.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
13. I don't understand why people continue to buy them.
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 02:39 PM
Oct 2013
In the beginning, before anybody knew, I could understand. I gave my dog a couple.

But now that the word is out, why continue taking the risk and feeding them?

It is SO MUCH CHEAPER AND SAFER to buy human-grade chicken, cook it and feed them small chunks of that for a treat. Just keep some zip lock baggies of chunks in the freezer. They'll be thrilled and you won't have to worry about poisoning them.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
15. My dogs also like Beef Broth Ice Cubes for snacks ... and cooked sweet potato in their Kong.
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 02:44 PM
Oct 2013

The frozen chicken bites is a good idea!

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
20. So tell me how and where do I buy human-grade duck
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 03:05 PM
Oct 2013

without spending a fortune? My Chihuahua will only eat duck jerky and does not like chicken or any other meat.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
30. I don't eat duck, so can't say. I would say your pup is even more spoiled than mine, though...
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 05:08 PM
Oct 2013

And I thought mine were fussy. Yikes!

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
25. You can feed dogs raw chicken, bones and all for meals. I think necks and backs are preferable.
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 04:42 PM
Oct 2013

I've never done it when I had dogs but my neighbor started doing it for her dog who was very sensitive with foods and was on an expensive diet. He loves it! I, otoh, don't really like hearing the bones crunching when I feed him.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
31. I'm guessing it's not any of the normal, expected toxins to test for...
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 05:10 PM
Oct 2013

It is a scary situation. Frightening that they would "punish" China by permitting them to process human chicken now.

 

SamYeager

(309 posts)
18. We had a cat die that I beleive to this day was from Chinese cat food.
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 02:53 PM
Oct 2013

We are VERY careful what we feed our little furballs these days.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
21. Best investment I've ever made
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 03:15 PM
Oct 2013

A food dehydrator. You can make your own jerky and dried veggie snacks for your furry babies. They're a bit pricey, (mine was $150) but it pays off in the long run, by a LOT.

Does anyone else find the treats from China have a particularly repugnant smell? You can sniff the package and the stink is overwhelming. It has a chemical, plastic and beef smell all rolled into one. Nasty, nasty stuff.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
24. Well if they would start doing some autopsies
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 04:36 PM
Oct 2013

on dogs they think succumbed to this, they might get somewhere.

But no...that makes too much sense.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
26. Yeah. But how are they not finding anything in the jerky?
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 04:45 PM
Oct 2013

Something has to be in there. Perhaps we need an independent test done? I mean, I can think of reasons one wouldn't want to upset trade with China, especially in the food area since they are now allowing chicken to be sent their for processing and then returned to the US for human consumption.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
32. they have done necropsies; they know something is damaging the kidneys to cause renal failure
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 05:12 PM
Oct 2013

but knowing that someone died of renal failure and identifying a specific toxin are 2 different things. There are a gazillion chemicals that could damage the nephrons. When you don't know what you're looking for, it's hard to know how to test it. It could even be something there is no test developed for.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
27. Okay, I believe that they have to know what they are testing for when they do this.
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 04:50 PM
Oct 2013

When I had my dogs tested for allergies, they don't just take a blood sample and run a test and find out what they're allergic to, they had to test for specific things. So you could only find out what they were allergic to by testing for it, if you didn't check for something specifically you'd never know if they were allergic to it. (side note: one of my dogs was allergic to grass!)

So I wonder what method of testing they are doing? Same sort? If so, then it's really just a guessing game of testing for things they think could be in there. And the possibility of it being something no one could think of being in there is pretty high based on China's track record.

If they are breaking it down and figuring out exactly what the ingredients are and all the things there are traces of in there then I'd like to see a complete list of the breakdown.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
33. that is it exactly...tests have been developed for all kinds of known allergens and all kinds of
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 05:16 PM
Oct 2013

known toxins.

But there are practically an infinite number of toxins that could be contaminating the jerky. There are only so many tests out there for so many different things. There aren't tests for every chemical or biochemical compound known or yet to be discovered.

It's not even looking for a needle in a haystack. It's looking for an unidentified particle in a haystack, where every individual particle of anything and everything that blew in could be the culprit.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
28. Most dog treats are junk food
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 04:52 PM
Oct 2013

heavily processed and shelf stable. Many contain ingredients not recommended for consumption by dogs: garlic, sugars, cheese, grain.

Many dog foods are just puffed grain sprayed down with reclaimed fry oil or beef tallow. Beneful has no meat at all. "China" is not the only red flag we should be looking for on dog food labels.

A guide to dog food quality:

http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/

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